Jack Sprat
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Sat Aug-04-07 11:40 PM
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Latest Zogby Poll rates Congress at 3% approval on |
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their handling of the war. This indicates that hardly anyone is happy. This Repubs are not happy, the Independents are not happy, ..............and evidently we Democrats are not happy.
I don't know how this is going to shake out in 2008, but the signs are ominous. While this village idiot of a president hold on to his 30 odd per cent base, this war is beginning to damage the Congress more than the idiot. Mistakes have been made. If you compromise with the bushies, then they just spread the shit over everyone around.
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Sat Aug-04-07 11:42 PM
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1. Just being in the same room with him will doom you. |
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He will use you like a floatation device.
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Sat Aug-04-07 11:46 PM
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2. Smiling in his face at his breakfasts, dinners and picnics can be the kiss |
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of death too.
Bye, bye, American Pie.
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Jack Sprat
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Sat Aug-04-07 11:47 PM
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Rove is saying, "see, I told you we could get them rolling around in our dogshit if we just stuck to our guns."
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Sat Aug-04-07 11:52 PM
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They are used to "Monkey Shit".. You'll get them Spoiled.
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Sat Aug-04-07 11:47 PM
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3. I question polls like this, For instance........... |
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I detest Congress as it's operating these days, but I detest the Pubs because they block every effort to try to improve anything. Just what questions do the polsters ask?
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Sat Aug-04-07 11:52 PM
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7. You are seeing things in the reality. The public at large |
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does not. They just see that nothing is changing. You are exactly right. The Repubs in congress are blocking for the idiot. We know that.
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Sat Aug-04-07 11:57 PM
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9. I ask my friends "do you know what happened last night?" |
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"NO",, I explain what happened in the Senate... "Oh,,Nice weather we're having",, they have NO Clue.
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Sun Aug-05-07 12:04 AM
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11. That's why I asked about the polls. Who do they call? |
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I can name many people who vote all the time but don't GAS about what's happening noght now unless something affects them personally! Nost polls that I know about ask questions like
Are you registered voter?
Did you vote in the 2006 election?
What Party are you most alogned with?
None of them ever get into how active are you? How much are you paying attention NOW?
I realize there's an impact when a poll is released saying the opinion of Congress is 3%. Even people who aren't paying attention will remember that.
I really think it's too early to make a real assessment on candidates or the congress.
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Sat Aug-04-07 11:54 PM
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8. Everything you say is true, but it is that the Democrats cave in on everything |
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that is what is making their base upset, and they still listen to their advisers who helped us loose 2000 and 2004
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Sun Aug-05-07 12:16 AM
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16. The big momentum we gained in 06 can |
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easily implode. I don't think they understand this. Midterms are often just momentary dissatisfaction with the leadership that are not replicated in the next general election. They must listen to the voices of the people. There is no guarantee that we are going to win the 08 presidency or hold the narrow margins of Congress. We need some decisive leadership now more than ever, I think. We have fallen in step to their beat on this war. Something has got to give in September or whenever the next installment of war funding comes around.
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Sun Aug-05-07 12:27 AM
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17. It wasn't that big. We barely won the Senate, which also reflects on the American people |
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in how stupid they are. They already knew for the last 6 years what a fraud had been perpetrated on them, still they almost voted them in again at least in the Senate
If we lose in 2008, it will be because of the lack of conviction many of the Democrats showed
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Sun Aug-05-07 01:03 AM
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20. If the Dems lose in 08, the Democratic Party itself could implode. |
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We would be left trying to create an entirely new party to oppose the Rethugs. But by then it would be too late. Fascism would become the face of Washington, and the original Constituion document itself would probably be torched, or at least physically desecrated.
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Sat Aug-04-07 11:51 PM
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5. It should start to damage them. I will vote Democratic in 2008 |
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but after that, unless the party goes back to their LIBERAL ways, I will start looking at becoming part of a third party.
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Sat Aug-04-07 11:58 PM
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10. If somebody jumps in with third party candidates |
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this is one of those UNIQUE moments in US History
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Sun Aug-05-07 12:11 AM
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12. What do you mean "If" |
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This makes the parties out to be the same.
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Sun Aug-05-07 12:12 AM
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13. Third Party Candidacy Would Ensure a Repiglickin Sweep |
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Sun Aug-05-07 12:15 AM
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14. "A vote for ____ means the terrorists win!" |
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That 'logic' is intellectually and ethically bankrupt no matter who says it.
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Sun Aug-05-07 12:57 AM
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19. It Would Split the Democrats While the Repiggies Would Remain Unified |
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That either means we lose outright, or it becomes close enough to steal. That doesn't have to be very close in a 3-way race.
Can you say "Ralph Nader"? I knew you could.
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Sun Aug-05-07 12:15 AM
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15. OK , you must be factoring |
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Like we are going to count the vote with DRE.
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Sun Aug-05-07 12:31 AM
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18. A result of incredibly poor dem leadership- Reid and Pelosi. |
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Sun Aug-05-07 02:07 AM
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21. bush is so idiotic that he keeps winning. I guess he's just lucky? |
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Sun Aug-05-07 02:14 AM
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22. and if things don't change |
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not only won't the dems have votes in congress - they also won't have any voters in '08
they were elected to bring about change, and we get more of the same
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Sun Aug-05-07 02:23 AM
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23. Blame the polarization in politics today |
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I think you need to look no farther then incumbents who are trouble in the primaries in 08' to see this.
There's several repugs who are in danger of their base throwing them out for voting aye on a USELESS, NONBINDING RESOLUTION opposing the Iraq war. Think about it logically for a second, voting with the large majority of the american public on a bill that would do absolutely nothing if passed is obviously the smart thing to do, especially if you're in a swing district. But because of the polarization in politics today a few repugs are in danger of getting thrown out for it.
It's not just on the repub side that this is happening though, there's lots of polarization on the dems side to, although I can't think of an example similar to the repub one.
As much as I'd hate to say it, a look around at online forums like DU, and probably almost any politicial forum probably shows the polarization problem. Almost any time we suffer a loss here on something when I check the forums (I check every couple of days) I see people saying stuff like "I'm not voting for a dem again in 08 after this, I'll vote for a third party". I'm sure that repub forums get people saying similar things whenever they end up losing on something. But the fact of the matter is that both parties can't absolutely refuse to compromise or 'cave' on everything like their base wants, otherwise nothing would ever get done, and the voters would be pissed that we keep on getting nothing but deadlock. Compromise is a necessary part of democracy for it to work, part of the reason why we had a civil war is because nobody was willing to compromise anymore.
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Sun Aug-05-07 03:59 AM
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24. The public has had their collective asses compromised into the sewer |
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The reason nobody compromised in the US civil war was they collectively were never a collective. The US civil war was a collective get together that was assembled to kick ass on places that thought they could be independent as they want.
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