After this FISA Bullshit, it's clear there will be no Impeachment, of ANYONE

[berni_mccoy]

After the blatant criminality exposed via Gonzales's testimony,
After losing the War on Terror by falsifying intelligence and dragging America into an illegal war and occupation
After illegally using taxpayer funds to reward the military industrial complex with War Contracts
After COMMITTING TREASON by exposing a covert CIA operation focused on stopping NUCLEAR PROLIFERATION for the purpose of POLITICAL REVENGE and SILENCING DISSENT
After ILLEGALLY VIOLATING THE CONSTITUTION and the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF U.S. Citizens

THIS FUCKING CONGRESS, This one, THE ONE WE WORKED SO HARD TO GET ELECTED

Decides to Give the CRIMINALS THE POWERS THEY HAVE BEEN TAKING ILLEGALLY.

I give up. There will be NO IMPEACHMENT. To even think this Congress would Impeach ANYONE, even Gonzales, IS LAUGHABLE.

[babylonsister]

1. Thanks. I get you and agree. nt

[jumpoffdaplanet]

2. After all this

is there any reason to stay a democrat?

This is the first time in all the years I've been registered as a democrat, I started to consider not being one.

This year has been steadily downhill. Made all the worse by the hope I felt last Nov.

I'm done, worn out, beat down.

[dkofos]

31. It's looking like Nader was RIGHT!!

[jumpoffdaplanet]

44. I wouldn't go THAT far

:)

[dkofos]

45. I would!!

[followthemoney]

48. Not a nickle's worth of difference.

How different can we expect the wolves in sheep's clothing to be from the wolves?

Will the Democrats ever stop playing the Washington Generals to the Republican's Harlem Globe Trotters?

[TahitiNut]

57. Only when they call themselves the New York Nationals.

:shrug:

[TahitiNut]

56. There's never been any doubt, imho. It's gonna get a LOT worse before it gets better.

Depend on it. :shrug:

[NotGivingUp]

62. He WAS right...but nobody wanted to listen. n/t

[DancingBear]

66. He still is n/t

[Subdivisions]

70. delete

[regnaD kciN]

3. Not only that, but...

...today's vote has made it clear that, whenever Bush tramples on the law, Congress will not stand idle, but jump into action -- to change the law to conform to Bush's actions.

And do you really think this sort of thing will go away when (if?) Bush and Cheney leave office? Sorry, but a precedent has been set -- our government is now an elected monarchy, and any rights we may claim are only held "at the pleasure of the President."

:argh:

[Fovea]

4. This is so 1930's Germany

So like Rome under Caligula.

I hope these Dems who voted the Constitution down the river enjoy their eternal ignominy from the same afterlife as Neville Chamberlain.

[TankLV]

9. You are so right - bet it'll make interesting reading in the history books two thousand years hence.

I will be pleasantly surprised if things change for the better before I'm gone from this world...

[puebloknot]

75. Perfectly said! nt

[enid602]

5. after this

After this, I'm starting to think we deserve Bushco.

[Seabiscuit]

6. Maybe it's "pitchforks and torches" time. n/t

[man4allcats]

7. If you're posting a call to action, count me in.

There's nothing left to lose anyway. They'll kill or imprison or otherwise destroy us all in one way or another before it's over. Unlike our elected representatives, we might as well go down fighting.

[Altean Wanderer]

17. Yes, nothing but radical action can save us now n/t

[jonnyra]

19. Its way past time for the pitchforks

We should have been on the White House lawn demanding an end to this bullshit when it became clear that bush lied about WMD and mission accomplished and stolen elections in 2004 and outed CIA agents and Gonzalez and Cheney's lies etc etc.

Now Gonzalez gets to secretly approve spying on anyone he fucking wants to thanks to the democrats. Nice move.

The press is simply a propaganda arm of the republican party. The administration lies with impunity knowing nothing will be done to hold them accountable. Soldiers continue to die in a phony war. Iraq has been destroyed killing literally hundreds of thousands of innocent men, women and children...CHILDREN FOR GODS SAKE! All Americans are under surveillance and can have their assets frozen at any time with no explanation necessary and no recourse.

This is your America. This is the America the republican party has created. And there is only one way to stop it and thats with direct action against the fascist government that is now firmly in place. Only a popular uprising against the fascists will stop this and that wont happen because they have most Americans cowering in fear of them. We have allowed criminals to make our constitution meaningless and useless and do nothing about it. We got the government we deserve because we wont mobilize, organize and demand protection of that document.

It is a sad and depressing end to a great experiment. I will always stand in awe of the original constitution and the incredible thinkers who created that document.

The constitution is now a "quaint" document that has no meaning or use in todays America. Thanks America.

[Voltaire]

23. Agreed

nt

[OzarkDem]

36. I'm for it

starting with our Dem leaders in Congress. If we can't convince them to do the right thing, we have no hope with the GOP and the Bush administration.

[Major Hogwash]

37. Off to the ramparts we go!

Until they pour the boiling oil down the wall, and then it's back to the drawing board for us.

[Seabiscuit]

49. LOL! If only it were that simple.

:)

[Diane R]

8. Is this why Pelosi has it 'off the table'? Because she knows the dems wouldn't hold firm?

[dkofos]

32. NO. PISS POOR PELOSI is to weak a leader to do her FUCKING JOB!!

[radfringe]

10. I give up. There will be NO IMPEACHMENT. - yep

[Psyop Samurai]

43. Nice work, radfringe !!

That one's worth a thousand words.

:thumbsup:

[Hubert Flottz]

11. How can you blame them?

They had planned their vacations for a long time and Bush told them they couldn't leave without passing his bill to let him keep thumbing his nose at America. Don't vacations and perks and cash trump everything?

[flobee1]

12. I guess so

I never say congress move so fast as when its vacation was threatened!
Carlin was right all along
http://youtube.com/watch?v=m9yvEMLXWjo>

But as long as this exists, the world can still be a good place
http://youtube.com/watch?v=D_R4RAVqNY0>

[HCE SuiGeneris]

13. Why do you hate our vacations?

It's been hard werk, verry hard werk, the're tarred and deserve a brake, speeling suphers and thin al kaos eruppts...

[Disturbed]

14. "Is there any reason to stay a democrat?

No. I joined the Green Party after the SC handed over the Govt. to the Neo Fascists. I didn't vote for Nadar but I agree with most of what he has said. Amerika needs a multi-Party System & a Parliamentary style Govt. The two party domination is obviously not representative of most non- wealthy Americans.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

15. Man...

you are in trouble

principal just called you to the office...

[flobee1]

16. There's only one party

The right and left both get paid by the same lobbtists

and our money cant compete with theirs

[Lifelong Protester]

55. I would have to agree...

as long as we have the best congress money can buy, thanks to the lobbyists, we are doomed. Time for alternate parliamentry type system, yes.

[Hubert Flottz]

18. I ain't letting a bunch of candy assed blue dogs run me off...

I've been a democrat all my life...those people are just rich shitheads playing like they're democrats. I won't give up my old party without a fight to the fucking end. It's the DINOS or me!

[followthemoney]

59. Fuck the Homeland bastards. I want my USA Back

[The Gunslinger]

63. Two party domination?

It seems to be more like 1 party with 2 different names to me......

[dkofos]

33. Not to the criminals in congress!!

[autorank]

74. Damn, that's it!

:spank: All that time thinking about it, researching it...this IS the answer. :nuke:

[Vinca]

20. Why do some elected Dems fold faster than a cheap tent?

It's very discouraging. Some DUers like to think there's a grand plan behind all of these moves (or nonmoves, if you consider impeachment), but I think it's as obvious as it appears. They wanted to go on vacation. Time to give a heads up to people we will not contribute to and will not support in the next election.

[tom_paine]

21. Yes, laughable. Like gallows humor for it is the end of life for Lady Liberty

She's in Gitmo, getting her privates shocked by Gonzales.

[B Calm]

22. Does this mean health care reform is out of the question?

[dkofos]

34. The only health care reform this bunch will come up with is to

force everyone to buy insurance from the same corps. that have SCREWING us since nixon.

[OzarkDem]

42. Word is out it will only be "incremental"

meaning they will try to get SCHIPS funding restored and not much else.

Could they accomplish more? Of course they could, but they're a pretty lame group.

[spanone]

24. gonzo will get a raise i'm sure.

[dkofos]

35. And a FUCKING MEDAL

[WinkyDink]

25. And the PROBLEM = Not getting the EVIDENCE in front of the VOTERS. THAT is more important than any

other consideration, including trying to "count the votes" for conviction.

GET the HEARINGS started, and let the chips fall where they may.

But NOT to start Impeachment Hearings is to trust in the knowledge of the voting public for 2008, and THAT is riskier than any other plan.

[Lerkfish]

26. I sadly must agree. I was going to post a thread exactly like this one, when I saw yours.

The republicans and the DLC have successfully killed the Country.

[Voltaire]

27. What then must we do?

Hmmmmmmm?

[Anita Garcia]

28. Yeah! Let's all go on vacation now.

You know, because everything is okay and we've done all that we were elected to do.
Pack of terds!

[dkofos]

29. Welcome to HITLERS Germany of the late thirties. SEIG HEIL

[Canuckistanian]

30. They just made the main case for impeachment a joke

This vote will be exhibit A for Bushco's legal defense team.

The case is now thoroughly muddied.

[dkofos]

38. Played right into their hands. How sad.

[DemGa]

39. True. And the Bush regime has been legitimized.

They've done it by God, they've managed to become legitimate. All the crimes...now mean nothing. And Impeachment? That's just a pipe-dream on the internets.

[Usrename]

40. It's going to get much worse before it can get any better.

The Dem leadership just cut the lifeline.

[L. Coyote]

41. Unless, they are cherry picking their battles. This one was not destined to be the front line!!

It is more like a "Willie Horton" and many members will be made to suffer the consequences, politically, for the conscience. Their defense of the Constitution will be labeled defense of the enemy in a time of war.

If people on this forum don't get that, they may be worms here to carry out the plan of bashing Dems.

[Individualist]

46. They presented the sociopath with the title of Unitary Executive last night

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

47. it was clear way before this.

Where have you been?

[Mrspeeker]

50. Way before this

I was saying this, FUCK THEM, reach around, lining your own pockets at the country's expense..they are all the Fucking same and share the same interests..GREED, a Two party system Bullshit...Rich and Poor...absolutely nothing has changed through out time, just titles have..Welcome to the NEW ROME!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

51. AND all the investigations they've been doing are NOTHING but a SHOW....a big, huge, freakin' ACT

and I fell for it! How STUPID can I be?

NOTHING will come of those hearings either. We're finished. The Dems and repukes are joined together AGAINST the people. The ONLY thing they want from us is MONEY. That's why they tolerate us. They NEED our money.

NO MORE MONEY FROM ME. I'm finished.

[DancingBear]

65. Not stupid - you believed them

Getting your trust knocked out from under you is not an easy thing to deal with.

Many of us knew months ago where this was heading, so it was easier (in the anti-climatic sense) to interpret the results as being anything but surprising.

The belief that the two parties "differ" in any way save for the "sure-fire vote getter" component of each is, as you can now see, a ruse.

Only when folks translate their disgust into action will anything ever change.

Changing the drapes does no good if the house is condemned.

The only way to kick an addiction is to let it go..

[KoKo]

68. Sadly...I don't think anything will come from them either. When Waxman

caved and will allow Rove to be inteviewed without oath or transcript with his lawyers there...I knew.

The plug was pulled last week. I could tell when Specter was so confident he could get Bush to allow all the witnesses to testify if Leahy would just let them do it in private with no transcript. The deal was if they found anything they could call them back with a transcript. Specter seemed confident and Leahy just didn't seem himself even though he sounded angry. Sheldon Whitehouse barely questioned Jennings and turned his time back to Leahy. Whitehouse is one of the best and he looked disgusted...and Ben Cardin barely asked any probing questions of Jennings and he ended up being one of the Dems who voted for the FISA extension even though he's on the very Judicial Committee that listened to Gonzo's lies.

A deal was cut...there will be no impeachment. The plug was pulled for whatever reason.

[in_cog_ni_to]

72. I still think someone is being blackmailed...if not all of them. OR, they have been told

there WILL BE a terrorist attack (MIHOP) and THEY will make sure the Dems are blamed for it for not passing a new FISA Bill.

Something is going on and why Congressional members let it continue is curious. That's why I'm leaning toward Blackmail.

The Dems need to start wiretapping these thugs on their own. Get their threats on tape and play it on teevee.

[rucky]

52. A coronation is more likely.

[lovuian]

53. I agree it will be rubber stamping of Bush agenda

oh you want this your majesty SURE
you got it

Bow and smile Bow and Smile

[kansasblue]

54. I'm thinking of switching resources to state battles.

Like California Sec of State Bowen.

Or ACLU, EFF.org, election protection groups, investigative reporters.

I was just about to give to the DNC because of their vote protection announcement but I will wait.

..... not sure

kb

[Kablooie]

58. Nothing will change until everyone's daily life is adversely affected.

And only when things become intolerable.

I don't think the 'American People' will ever be concerned about the future if today is adequate.

We are going to have to wait until it really is too late before we can even BEGIN to do something.


And Bush and Cheney know it!

[NotGivingUp]

60. Sadly, you are right.

I've seen it. So many people are not even paying any attention to anything that is going on. They won't pay attention until they are personally hit hard, and then they'll say "What happened?"

[NotGivingUp]

61. There is one party...the Corporatocracy...they will not do anything for us.

They will use words like "We're fighting...", "We're trying...", etc. Put on a little show to make the stupid American people that we have a democracy here. Bullshit. We have nothing. They've all sold their souls to the empire-building corporate elites. THAT'S who they're working for. It became evident to me as soon as Pelosi said impeachment is off the table. The ONLY reason impeachment would be off the table is because they are complicit.

[kath]

67. Yep - government of the corporation, by the corporation and for the corporation.

we are sooooooooooo screwn.

[DancingBear]

64. This is why many of us now believe in a "third" option

It really doesn't matter how long it takes one to uncover the charade - what matters much more is one's refusal to continue to play.

To those of you just now waking to the truth - welcome aboard.

And thanks.

You can talk about it if you'd like - PM me and we'll chat.

[Independent_Liberal]

69. I'm NOT giving up!

No matter how bad it gets, I'm not surrendering! No matter what!

[Subdivisions]

71. Precedent Bush.

[autorank]

73. I share your total disappointment in these hacks and your hard work

in getting them elected, while frustrating, may yet pay off.

The House had a higher percentage of loyalty, only 40 of 230 or so defected while 16 bailed in the
Senate.

There are some up there who have laid the foundations - Conyers, Waxman, Leahy, Schumer. The rest
have to catch up. Senators like Feinstein, (D-Hell) need to be forced but they'll jump when they
have to.

The public is clearly furious with Bush, 25% approval, amazing. It will go down, only down.
Why won't our representatives act...that's when the pressure starts. They'll get an ear full when
they're at home. Then they'll get even more grief after they spend September doing nothing much, other
than the very important hearings going on, which will continue.

I've contributed a lot of time in 2004 and 2005, and some time in 2006. I don't regret it but I find
the total contempt in which we're held by those we help elect simply intolerable. We need a strong
national spokesperson and presidential candidate. We need to fight and stop being such wimps.

The man is approved by only 25% of the population. What are we waiting for?