Children As Young As Five To Be Fingerprinted In Schools

[RestoreGore]

Looks like America has an ally in their police state tactics. Shame on you, Mr. Brown for allowing this. If my child ever tells me his school has plans to do this to him I will pull him OUT. Period. The school already tried to get me to tell them his social security number and I was the only parent in his class to refuse, and I was smart to do so because I know the information was forwarded to the military as per their bogus "No Child Left Behind" Act. He had seen nothing but military recruiters at his high school last school year and that was bad enough. There were even counselors coming into their home rooms to ask them if they would be willing to sign up for the military, and that was without our knowledge! This however, is way over the line and I hope parents in Britain stand up against this now. They think they OWN our kids, and it's time to tell them how WRONG they are.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=470344&in_page_id=1770&in_page_id=1770&expand=true#StartComments

Schools have been given the go-ahead to take fingerprints from children as young as five - without asking their parents first.

Ministers issued guidance allowing heads to collect pupils' biometric data to use when taking the register, paying for lunch or using the library.

Schools can also take retina and iris scans and record children's voices, face shapes, hand measurements, handwriting and typing patterns.

Civil liberties campaigners are concerned that the data could be given to police or the Government without parents' knowledge - or stolen by identity thieves.

The advice, contained in official guidance published, has infuriated parents' groups.


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[BeHereNow]

1. Gotta inventory that cannon fodder-

The empire needs to keep track of its resources, don't ya know?
BHN

[RestoreGore]

3. It is nothing less than evil

[BeHereNow]

6. Yes, a necessary evil, as the saying goes.

If you want to dominate the planet, as has been the plan for decades by the
Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations and the Federal Reserve/World Bank
folks in general, you need to inventory your resources to predict the supply/demand
availability/need statistics in advance of the future New World Order agenda needs.

BHN

[Sanctified]

2. England scares the Crap out of me.

They are heading down the whole V for Vendetta route really fucking quick. Yeah they have a nice health care system but is the trade off worth it.

[RestoreGore]

4. They sure are

1984 is 2007.

[SoCalDem]

7. ID is the trade-off for free medical

especially when funds are limited.. This is what tickles me when the right wingers claim to want to deport every brown person in the country. SOME of these people (probably MOST of them) are LEGALLY here. This is why we will need a biometric ID to sort out the ones who are not..otherwise we have a hard time denying them services.. same for medical care.. It's a double-edged sword.. lefties don't want to be IDed and neither do righties :)..so we'll never get our universal health care and they will never get their "deport all brown people" laws :) It's a stalemate..and guess who "wins"? the ones with all our money :)

[Sanctified]

11. How about we provide healthcare for everyone

not just those who are legal or illegal. I think that is a fair trade for me to be able to keep my privacy.

[SoCalDem]

23. Won't work.. you cannot just drive into Canada and get free care

and other than emercency care, you probably cannot "just go to the doctor" in any country with socialized medicine.. There HAS to be an ID card that entitles YOU to get the care..otherwise ineligible people would/will flock to that country to get the care, without having paid taxes to cover their share of the expense..

It's the same reason why Moms make meals for their families and don't expect strangers to show up at the dinner table, demanding to be fed :)

[LittleClarkie]

8. And that 1984 thing they do where this disembodied voice tells you to

pick up your trash because they're monitoring the streets. That sounded weird as well.

[Madspirit]

13. I Have TONS of UK friends

...and they are quite happy there and wouldn't leave for anything.

Lee

[RestoreGore]

21. Then I guess they don't mind being recorded...

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23391081-details/George+Orwell,+Big+Brother+is+watching+your+house/article.do

The Big Brother nightmare of George Orwell's 1984 has become a reality - in the shadow of the author's former London home.

It may have taken a little longer than he predicted, but Orwell's vision of a society where cameras and computers spy on every person's movements is now here.

According to the latest studies, Britain has a staggering 4.2million CCTV cameras - one for every 14 people in the country - and 20 per cent of cameras globally. It has been calculated that each person is caught on camera an average of 300 times daily.

Use of spy cameras in modern-day Britain is now a chilling mirror image of Orwell's fictional world, created in the post-war Forties in a fourth-floor flat overlooking Canonbury Square in Islington, North London.


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[Madspirit]

30. Jeez

London is not all of England. London is a big city in England. These people actually really have been dealing with terrorism and terrorists...bombs in trash cans, bombs in buses, bombs in railway stations, bombs in restaurants, bombs in subways....for years and years and years and years and years and years and years and years. Islamic terrorists, the IRA and more. I really do have many close friends in England. I have friends in Bath and Reading and a couple in London...and all are aware, intelligent and progressive or they wouldn't be my friends and all of them feel relieved, actually.

We aren't the same country as them. Bush is a little fascist. He would use this to round up all of us, if he had his way. Let me know when you hear about them using this technology to actually just bust a leftist, in England. They actually have morals and ethics there, unlike here. None of my friends feel threatened by this.

Lastly, we have cameras everywhere already. Not quite as pervasive as London but New York has started and most street lights in big cities have cameras. Cameras are everywhere. HERE it makes me paranoid. Here is not there. England isn't as morally corrupt as we are.

Lee

[RestoreGore]

32. That doesn't make it right

[Madspirit]

34. "That doesn't make it right"

:rofl: Wow, now there's some real insight. :rofl:

Lee

[RestoreGore]

36. Why do you have to tear people's comments down?

Do you agree or disagree? You are actually defending spying on people? You can roll in your laughter by posting your stupid smilies all you want. A Police State is nothing to laugh about, and to me this article states we are getting ever closer to it. INSIGHTFUL enough for you? If not try looking elsewhere to get your jollies.

[Name removed]

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[Madspirit]

41. Why did you give me a one-line petulant answer

...to a complex problem. They actually have terrorism over there. You were the one who showed no depth or understanding. "doesn't make it right" lacks any depth at all. It shows no understanding of the very REAL fear the people in London have. They have had bombs everywhere for years and years. I cannot even believe the audacity of your outrage at my response when your response was a sophomoric one-liner.

Lee

[RestoreGore]

46. Fear breeds a lack of reason

As shown by your responses apparently espousing a police state. Go ahead, give into the fear and paranoia, it's what they want.

[porphyrian]

5. It beats tracking chips, and it does help recover kidnapped children.

The motive isn't necessarily sinister.

[hobbit709]

9. Then let the parents keep the info until needed

[porphyrian]

16. I don't have a problem with that. - n/t

[Sanctified]

10. Parents can fingerprint their children themselves

and supply the fingerprints to law enforcement in the event their child is kidnapped. My insurance company supplied my wife and I with the kits for free.

[porphyrian]

15. True. - n/t

[BeHereNow]

12. We ARE talking about members of the Empire here- Not sinister? Two words "Peter Power"

They are not capable of anything that is not sinister-
Do you forget so soon the Peter Power interview
around the London attacks?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20050712&articleId=665

"This video clip is taken from ITN news and features an interview with Peter Power,
managing director of Visor Consultants, who were running an exercise for an unnamed
company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact
same times and locations as happened in real life on the morning of July 7th."

Sound familiar? Drills taking place during an actual attack and all?

BHN

[porphyrian]

14. Good point. - n/t

[RestoreGore]

17. I guess you can then say that about he new FISA "law" too...

That it is only for our "protection." Well, I'm not buying it.

[porphyrian]

18. I guess, but I didn't, you did. - n/t

[RestoreGore]

19. Yes, I did, and without my permission no school will ever be allowed to touch my child

Anything that needs to be done for his safety and welfare I will do.

[porphyrian]

20. Works for me. - n/t

[TomInTib]

22. Screw 'em. I never got SSN for mine.

They hassled me about it all the time.

I said, "My sons have names, they are Alan and Will".

They didn't need no stinkin' numbers.

And they "forgot" (which is legal, you know) to register with Selective Service when they turned 18.

[RestoreGore]

25. I'm with you on that

[TomInTib]

26. The Reagan admin said it would keep divorced parents from both taking the MD.

Minimum Deduction (per child).

I would just tell the school that we were not divorced and not claim the deduction (that was the penalty for not registering).

But I never paid taxes during all those years, anyway (which is why I am in such fine shape today).

[KoKo]

24. Oh Dear God....He used the Bush Toothpaste at Camp David & Just like Blair

the CIA got to him. I tried to post about this...hoping Brit/Scot's DU'ers could tell Brown...DO NOT USE THE TOOTHPASTE OR DRINK THE WATER AT CAMP DAVID!

But...it didn't matter. BFEE got to him. :-(

[izzie]

27. Calm down I was finger printed in grade school during WW2

I was also done by the navy when my husband retired.

[RestoreGore]

28. Without your parent 's permission?

[izzie]

38. I do not know. Just a big man in a uniform did it.

I see no way it hurt me but knowing my father, a good Republican, he would have hated it. He would never tell the school how much he made and it was a running fight with the teachers, my sister and I and him. It was some thing about the school being in a service or military area he he said it was none of their business. My aunt worked in the fingerprint part of the FBI in DC and she said their are two places to look. The crime files and the reg. every day files. Course that is really a long time ago. I frankly see no reason for all this stuff going on. I do not know why it will hurt me or has ever hurt me but I see no reason for it. To this day I can not get this grab for power that Bush is doing, on it seems every thing. I find it scary. This ideology of moving people into the govt. that only agree with Bush is just so un-Am. On top of that they can not run any thing and I feel the govt. is a service for the people and a not for profit business for some CEO that is dumb as hell and got his job because he knew some one or had the right name. It brings us into being a third world country. We need our talent not some one born with a well known name. Just look at well well known names has done to the auto business in this country.Why they want our figerprints and our mail is just beyond me.

[The2ndWheel]

29. We're following Britain, not leading the way

Every generation is owned a little more than the previous one.

[AZBlue]

31. I can understand fingerprinting, especially small children.

It could be the only way to identify a child who's been missing for a while, grown up and/or had their appearance altered by those who took them. If I had a child, I'd have fingerprinted them before the age of 5!

As for the other stuff, that's insanity.

[RestoreGore]

33. Not without my consent

or having access to any information they gather about my child. And yes, if you wish to do so and keep a copy of that information in your personal file to help law enforcement in the event of that actually happening, that should be your decision.

[Richard Steele]

40. Parents could do that themselves- even those concerns don't justify letting the GOVERNMENT do it.

Take your kid's prints and keep them at home.
You have them IF you need them.

No need to put them into an all-encompassing
government tracking database.

[fujiyama]

35. Britain is pretty much a police state now

Everything is pretty much monitored now - phone calls, emails...and of course you are always on camera.

Unfortunately, the US is simply following their act.

[RestoreGore]

37. Yes, as people just go about their business as though nothing is wrong

We needn't wonder why this country is screwed. We did it to ourselves.

[Madspirit]

42. Yeah, it must really bother them a lot...NOT

:rofl:

You have NO REASONABLE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY IN PUBLIC. Thus it being called "public".

Lee

[RestoreGore]

43. Sorry, but I don't espouse fascism.

[Left Is Write]

44. Nobody fingerprints my kids without my permission.

Fuck that.

[Maddy McCall]

45. And, again, I say, "People ask me why I homeschool."

It isn't happening YET in the US, but it will.

[RestoreGore]

47. yes, and I've already told my child to watch for it

because if they even attempt to do it without my permission ( which they do deliberately knowing most parents would never give permission,) they will hear from me.

[npincus]

48. good idea-- w/consent of parents.

can aid in recovery of a missing or abducted child.

[noonwitch]

49. Is it with or without parental consent?

I don't have a problem if the parents consent, especially if it is one of those programs that make it possible to identify children faster if they are lost or kidnapped.

But parents should be able to refuse without their child having any negative repercussions.