Pat Buchanan was guffawing over the fact the Dems were clamoring to impeach over wiretapping but now

[BigBearJohn]

they're voting in support of it. He couldn't stop laughing.

Ever feel like a horse's ass? I sure do... seems the Dems
can't do anything right.

[MrCoffee]

1. why shouldn't he laugh? it's laughable.

[BigBearJohn]

2. It would be if it weren't so pathetic and sickening.

[MrCoffee]

3. i hear you.

[AndyA]

4. That's exactly what the Dems are right now.

Pathetic and sickening.

And in violation of their oath of office. You know the one, where they're supposed to protect the Constitution, which in turn protects the American people?

Those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither security nor liberty.

- Benjamin Franklin

[Disturbed]

9. Perception becomes reality.

The perception is that the Dems caved again. Some did that is true but the majority of Dems voted "NO" on this shite.

[MADem]

16. Oh, stop making sense. Can't you see a serious "pile on" brewing here?

After "they're all alike" you will hear "there's no difference between the two parties."

The Agnewesque term "Nattering nabobs of negativity" might apply to the Sky is Falling/They ALL Suck crowd.

Same shit, different day--over and over again, it seems.

[StClone]

24. The Dem Candidates were all against the FISA revision

Or so they say now, so it isn't anti-Dem to make FISA a real bone of contention for those that voted these clowns into office that voted W's way: A real big ripping at your throat, caught sideways T-Bone.

[MADem]

30. Those clowns of which you speak , who voted for the bill, were a small minority.

And they're likely representing a predominantly "Reagan Democratic/GOP-Non Fundy" constituency.

They can get away with it. Which is why they did it. They aren't STUPID. They know what the traffic will bear, most of them, anyway, especially this close to an election. Some may have been coerced, but I'll bet most thought they could get away with it.

You're making it a 'bone of contention' like it matters. I've no doubt those guys would not have voted the way they did if they felt in the slightest threatened. That is a very good gig, the legislature, great salary, great health benefits.

The ones under the gun in that regard are the GOP legislators. A lot of them probably wanted to go the other way....but were not allowed.

[StClone]

35. I'd like to think you're correct

We have meager footing from which to launch a humanity-based agenda and "clowns" voted to appease. And, if the mysterious Deep Throat poster is worth the time of day this could all be a trap anyway. Bush is so nefarious ( http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=299682&mesg_id=299702). I can not see any good of not standing on principal against the regime. Unless, we are giving him enough rope...

[MrCoffee]

21. the majority of the majority lost to the minority

so what the hell is the point of having the majority?

[MADem]

28. The point is having a bullet proof one. Or just give up now, and cede it and gripe about it.

We went from having no majority and no voice to having a majority that could hold hearings.

Next step is a sufficient majority to exercise WILL.

Rome wasn't built in a day. I am not going to give up on our team early, like so many are willing to do.

Lead, follow...or gripe, I guess. But if you're in the griping column, get outta the way.

[superkia]

15. Be careful, didn't you see the FBI flyer?

"Make numerous references to the U.S. constitution" Uh oh could be wun dem turerists. AAAGGHHHHH! What is happening to us!

[berni_mccoy]

5. He's ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. The Dems will never get Impeachment on the table now. Period.

[Independent_Liberal]

13. Don't be so fast to give up.

I still think it'll happen. Why do I think that? Am I naive? Or do I think something else is going on that we're not seeing? Appearances can be deceiving.

[Mme. Defarge]

20. That's what I thought

when Kerry conceded the '04 election in record time. Thought he would somehow pull a rabbit out of a hat before the vote was certified.

[Nite Owl]

6. And yet the DC dems don't seem to

care. There is so much 'humor' out there now about their spinelessness yet it just doesn't seem to sink in. It makes no difference to them. Why?

[SoCalDem]

14. Why? because...

As long as they retain their seat in congress THEY don;t care..that's what REALLY matters..

The ONLY thing they care about is collecting more cash from lobbyists so they can stay on the merry-go-round and insure their family's future wealth..

Lobbyists give them "pay to play" money
They give the money to the "librul media" in the form of campaign commercials
We give them our votes
They stay in office
The lobbyists get "paid back" in the form of legislation they like

rinse & repeat..

If anything good for us happens in the meantime, it's purely an oversight in their eys and they will no doubt "fix" it when they get a chance..

It's about THEM...not us..

Even if we boot a few out of office, they only make MORE money by lobbying their former colleagues..

We are in a no-win situation here folks..

[Nite Owl]

27. I was in a conversation with

someone about just that. The money. The argument was abouit running more progressiver candidates if we dont like what we have. So much easier said then done. Even someone like Lamont who had the funds couldn't win because of the lack of party support. He had the money, he had feet on the ground and phone banks, moveon but the DC dems wanted no part of him. How does the 'little guy' make it?

[MrSlayer]

7. Well, why shouldn't he laugh?

Our guys fucked the dog on that vote and we all look like idiots.

[spanone]

8. the irony is sickening

[Beelzebud]

10. Hear that Blue Dogs?

I just wish the "Blue Dogs" would get it over with and join the Republican party.

Yes we would be stuck with the minority, but at least we'd have honor, and our principles. With these losers, we are stuck as Republican Lite.

[buddhamama]

11. i saw that...

argghhh.

[bonito]

12. But at least its not a third party threat

:sarcasm: we would rather screw ourselves over.

[BeHereNow]

17. He is right to laugh- our government is a cartoon at this point.

It does not even remotely resemble anything close to
what the founding fathers intended- more like one of
those bad caricature drawings you can pick up at the
beach for five bucks.
BHN

[LeftishBrit]

18. It sounds like a very bad bill -we have enough terra-influenced anti-privacy stuff here

and you obviously have even worse problems with the evil Bush and Gonzo trampling on civil liberties, and the Dems obviously afraid of being portrayed as soft on terra.

But why care what Pat Buchanan thinks? He is evil too.

[soulcore]

19. it's all thanks to the two party system

The party of the Rich VS. The party of everyone else.

[LittleClarkie]

22. Different Dems and he knows it.

He's talking about them as if they were some kind of mass. The Blue Dogs were not clamoring for impeachment, I'm sure. And they're the ones voting for wiretapping.

We didn't give the leadership enough of a progressive presence to do what they need to do.

So I'll be watching at the 6 month mark to see how this mess is cleaned up.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

23. To paraphrase a classic Murphy Brown line:

"It's Pat Buchanan, Murph, Pat Buchanan!"

Sure, these goofs, including my Senator, Casey, let me down BIG TIME on this. But the day I'll count on or demand party unity is the day I'll post on RU instead of DU.

Laughter from a man who still worships a fuck like Nixon is like speech therapy from Dumbya.

Meh. I dunno. I still fear that only a Titanic-like disaster will wake the populace into the demand we make daily. :cry:

[Prisoner_Number_Six]

He's absolutely fucking A right to laugh.

In fact, I do believe I'll belly up to the bar and join him in a rousing chuckle.

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[Dob Bole]

25. I hope it inspires him to run for President again...

after all, we Democrats are helpless, stupid dimwits.

Run, Pat, Run!! And snag Roy Moore along the way while you're at it...

[Ilsa]

26. They are all laughing. Saying Dems are more concerned about

politics than their principles. It's a goddam embarrassment.

[WillyT]

29. Yep... We Gave Away The High Ground... Again...

Buchanan is right to laugh.

Me... I'm just pissed off.

[formercia]

31. Why shouldn't he laugh?

His Crusader buddies just won another battle in the War to create the ultimate Police State.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. Actually Buchanan Opposes Our Crusades

If by Crusades you mean our attempts to remake the Muslim world...


But, yeah, he's a putz...

[formercia]

34. Pat is a Knight of Malta

He's just playing the other face of Janus.

[Hubert Flottz]

33. The dems could regain some respect IF...

They came back in September, all rested up and started an impeachment trial for Gonzo.