Shuster says Obama "was wrong" durring the debate about the Pakistan issue

[jsamuel]

Interesting. Says that Dodd was correct. Obama did not say in his speech what he said tonight.

Notice the big change from "if they WON'T do it, we will" to "if they CAN'T do it, we will".

[H2O Man]

1. No, he didn't.

He didn't say he lied. He said Obama was wrong about something he said, but it is inaccurate to say he accused Obama of lying.

[jsamuel]

2. Well, then Tweety said "who didn't tell the truth"

But I fixed the title.

[babylonsister]

8. Shuster was being honest hopefully, but his perception is just as

individual as mine is. He had some facts, too, darn it! And they were so timely.

[merh]

11. Shuster was not being honest.

Obama said more in his speech than what Shuster referenced and Obama was truthful in his comments tonight.

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/01/the_war_we_need_to_win.php

[babylonsister]

13. YOU, missy, are one of the few people

I will take that to heart. Thank you, and I will now try to 'parse' what I thought Shuster would have done. So he's a liar, or got some marching orders. Sigh.

[merh]

14. I've been debating righties on another forum on this topic

They seized on that one line, like Shuster apparently has done. Obama said so much more, his mistake was in not referencing the Partnership Agreement we have with Pakistan. He would have made things so much easier on himself if he had said he would hold them to their end of the agreement or cut of the financial aid until they did something.

Bush said the same thing Obama said in late 2006 and Rudy said the same thing on Sunday. To say one would act on actionable intelligence was not saying one would invade, surgical strikes to the mountain camps could do what Pakistan refuses to do. And like the Taliban in Afghanistan in the late 90's, sanctions are possible for Pakistan if they continue to harbor terrorists.

So much could be done from a foreign policy stand point than what is being done now (Bush has ignored Pakistan and has not required anything from them. Now Iran is in Afghanistan helping that government with financing and in fighting terrorists) and that is what Obama said. I don't agree with him 100% but I am grateful he sees that if we are going to fight the war on terror we need to go after known terrorists. I would vote for the candidate that has the courage to say they would ask the justice department convene a grand jury and indict OBL so that he can immediately face trial in the USofA for his part in 9/11.

Shuster was being dishonest, he either hasn't read the speech and that makes him lazy and dishonest relative to his knowledge of the speech or he is just dishonest and trying to spin what Obama said for his candidate.



oh and thanks for the compliment :hug:

:hi:

[Usrename]

12. Yeah, but Shuster is full of it.

Obama said the exact same thing tonight as he did in the clip that Shuster showed from the other day.

Shuster represented that Obama was lying or flip-flopping or something, which is a total lie.

Obama used the exact same words tonight about "if Musharrif fails to act" then he would take action.

Shuster just made up a discrepancy that does not really exist. I hate when "truth squads" lie. It's a sin.

Reminds me of the hit piece CNN did on SiCKO.

on edit> too many pronouns

[jefferson_dem]

3. You kept listening to him, right. He said Edwards lied about working the picket line.

Unless you consider a ten minute photo-op "working the picket line"... :shrug:

[jsamuel]

4. yeah, I heard that too

[jsamuel]

5. Edwards was at the picket line like he said he was. I guess the problem is that he didn't stay for

very long. I don't think that is a very good criticism though. Presidential candidates make short appearances all the time.

[BeyondGeography]

6. Another Obama-obsessed Edwards supporter

Do you actually want your guy to be President or just overtake Obama one day? Because, if it's the former, Obama is not the guy in the way right now.

[jsamuel]

10. Look, I just don't agree with Obama here. Sorry if that is a problem for you.

[merh]

7. Obama was correct and Shuster was wrong

Read Obama's speech:

As President, I would make the hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid to Pakistan conditional, and I would make our conditions clear: Pakistan must make substantial progress in closing down the training camps, evicting foreign fighters, and preventing the Taliban from using Pakistan as a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan.

I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will.

And Pakistan needs more than F-16s to combat extremism. As the Pakistani government increases investment in secular education to counter radical madrasas, my Administration will increase America's commitment. We must help Pakistan invest in the provinces along the Afghan border, so that the extremists' program of hate is met with one of hope. And we must not turn a blind eye to elections that are neither free nor fair -- our goal is not simply an ally in Pakistan, it is a democratic ally.

Beyond Pakistan, there is a core of terrorists -- probably in the tens of thousands -- who have made their choice to attack America. So the second step in my strategy will be to build our capacity and our partnerships to track down, capture or kill terrorists around the world, and to deny them the world's most dangerous weapons.

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/08/01/the_war_we_need_to_win.php

He said he would act and do more than what Bush has done. He would hold Pakistan to the partnership they have with us or would withhold the millions in financial aid and weapons. In theory, we would strike with Pakistan's approval or assistance if we held them to the Partnership agreement they have with us.

[Connie_Corleone]

9. I read his speech. He did mention helping Pakistan.

Shuster must not have read that part.

Here are the paragraphs before and after the excerpt Shuster quoted from the speech:

As President, I would make the hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. military aid to Pakistan conditional, and I would make our conditions clear: Pakistan must make substantial progress in closing down the training camps, evicting foreign fighters, and preventing the Taliban from using Pakistan as a staging area for attacks in Afghanistan.

(snip)

And Pakistan needs more than F-16s to combat extremism. As the Pakistani government increases investment in secular education to counter radical madrasas, my Administration will increase America's commitment. We must help Pakistan invest in the provinces along the Afghan border, so that the extremists' program of hate is met with one of hope. And we must not turn a blind eye to elections that are neither free nor fair -- our goal is not simply an ally in Pakistan, it is a democratic ally.

[TwilightGardener]

15. Disappointed in Shuster. He was wrong on this one.

[dkf]

16. I agree...Shuster wrong.

Dodd jumped to accuse Obama of automatic unilateral attack. Obama said if Pakistan doesn't do anything then we will go in.

Two different things to me.

Frankly I don't understand why we are letting the real 9/11 planners be protected by sitting around in Pakistan.

The whole thing is a joke.