Was The FISA Fiasco A Perfect Storm Created By KKKarl Rove ???

[WillyT]

Think about the timing.

The WH knew they've wanted this for some time now. And, there was a compromise in the works that mysteriously gets shutdown at the last minute. Then they decide to threaten to keep congress in session (in order to get what they want) thereby preventing congress from going on their August recess. At the same time, all major blogs, and progressive sites (hell, all major progressives) are in Chicago for the YearlyKos Convention, thereby preventing any sort of mass phoning\mailing\faxing protest in effort to stop this thing. And within several hours, it's a done deal.

Is KKKarl THAT good???

:shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. No

we just have about 30 people in the house and 14 in the senate who are blue dogs and rather conservative

Also you need to wonder what they have on the leadership

Or some folks have been right, the corporatist party is in ascendancy

[WillyT]

2. I Dunno...

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All Democratic candidates for President should announce today that their administration will enforce the laws and fully prosecute any criminal offenses that might be committed today under the protection of the most corrupt Attorney General in the history of the nation.

The last 72 hours was a devastating time for the American constitution and neither our Democratic Leaders nor the blogging world at the Kos convention waged the fight that the occasion demanded.

The Congressional capitulation to a radical expansion of unilateral presidential powers over warrantless eavesdropping is one of the darkest hours in the history of the rule of law.

In this capitulation, which does not even bear the pretense of a compromise and was in fact a total surrender to the most extreme vision of unitary presidential power, it is the most incompetent and dishonest Attorney General in history who determines what is legal and what is "reasonable."

It is known that former Attorney General Ashcroft, former Deputy Attorney General Comey, and current FBI Director Mueller all felt that what the president wanted to do was such a threat to the Republic that they all threatened to resign en masse.

We do not know exactly why; and we must know. It also seems likely the General Mike Hayden, then head of the NSA, might also have objected. This too, we must find out for certain. Moreover, it appears that fight beside John Ashcroft's hospital bed was over actions and policies the high level dissenters did not want continued.

Does this mean some actions they objected to had already been taken and, if so, does this mean laws were broken before they stopped it? This, too, we must know. Crimes should never be classified.

Democrats should have canceled the August recess and fought like patriots against this outrage and the entire Daily Kos community should have risen as one, and turned the Chicago meeting into a war room mobilizing national support to defeat this outrage.

Instead, Democrats in Washington surrendered without a fight and Kos supporters in Chicago were missing in action, without making a fight, at the moment Congress acted.

Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brent-budowsky/congress-caves-bloggers-_b_59259.html

:shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

5. Vichy dems

I call them spineless but that is just me

[HughMoran]

3. No

I'm not giving Karl Rove credit for everything.

[WillyT]

4. Well... It's Either Him, Or The Vichy Dems !!!

Take your pick.

:shrug:

[L. Coyote]

6. Boehner illegally leaked the secret ruling. Bush gives orders to DNI

Rove is irrelevant, no matter his role. He is just a minion to the Decider.

CREW Files DoJ Complaint Against R. Leader Boehner For Illegal Leak = FISA Illegality Ruling
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