Kucinich is unelectible because of the media and viewers like you

[Dragonbreathp9d]

With how well Kucinich does in the debates and the recent "blind taste test," is it not clear that the only reason he is unelectible is because every keeps repeating the media line that he is? He is probably one of the most electible canidates we have seen recently, he just keeps getting labled as unelectible by the pundits, by the coverage (or lack thereof) he gets, and even by his own supporters. MAYBE instead of naysaying, we should talk about just how electible he is. Get people on the air to do the same. Its awhile before the elections, we CAN change peoples mind on this, we just have to believe it and support it ourselves first.

[ixion]

1. Kucinich has always been a favorite of mine... I support him openly

just sayin'...

[King Coal]

3. Not me. He just now became a favorite of mine.

After the shameful exhibit of the Dems recently, he moved way up on my scale.

[Dragonbreathp9d]

6. Kucinich became my fav after the first debate

when he pulled out the pocket constitution and when Richardson di sooooooooo poorly

[Dhalgren]

2. I support the next President of the United States - Dennis Kucinich.

I support Kucinich and I do not not have a second choice.

[GreenPartyVoter]

4. Dennis is the one for me, but I also like Gore and Edwards

[tblue37]

12. I also wish Clark would run. (eom)

[Dragonbreathp9d]

14. I like Clark alot too

he was my pick in 04 (too bad I couldnt vote then :( )

[TechBear_Seattle]

5. The media has already annointed Clinton as the candidate designate

No other candidates need apply. Thus proving the lie, once and for all, that the media is liberal.

[lonestarnot]

7. I like every damn candidate, but Dennis stands above the rest.

I'll be damned if they will tell me how to vote!

[Subdivisions]

8. Absent Gore, and in consideration of Clinton's

http://nswbc.org/DirtyDozen/Interview-Re-DirtyDozen.htm:">Dirty Dozen infamy, I'm favoring Kucinich right about now.

[Ron Green]

9. My one vote put this on the Greatest Page, just as your one vote (yes, Yours) can put him

in office. All it takes is a shift in attitude.

[Dragonbreathp9d]

10. Thanks for getting it

:) :hi:

[monmouth]

11. ".....dig our way to China, we're there....thank you very much." Priceless...

[dkofos]

26. Best sound bite of the debate. Too bad the M$M won't play it.

Dennis was on fire last night.

[MonkeyFunk]

43. I saw it played twice today

on cable news.

[dkofos]

48. I'm amazed!!

[Beelzebud]

13. People who declare him unelectable are part of a self-fulfilling prophecy.

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[tsuki]

16. Son & I registered the only two Kucinich votes in our county last outing. nt

[Desertrose]

17. Supported him back in '04...he's only gotten better since IMHO

I am glad there is a lot of run up time to the primaries. DK can use all the face & media time he can get.

Thing is, WHEN people hear him...they like what he says.

AFAIC he is the only Dem I'd vote for.......

Dennis would make an awesome president. I like to think it would also lead to getting more progressive types elected as well which he'd need to get anything accomplished in the f'd up political system.

DR

[guitar man]

18. I love DK

I might not agree with him on 100% of everything, but he doesn't mince words and that makes him a man I can truly respect. When he's asked a question, he comes straight out with a no bullshit answer. He doesn't stick his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing first.

[Bake]

19. Sorry, but it's just wishful thinking.

If you want me to believe DK is electable, show me a poll -- ANY POLL -- that puts him above 5%.

He's right on many of the issues, but that's not all there is to the job.

Oh. And please send him a shirt that fits. He looked like a 12-year old last night. And that's part of his problem.

Bake

[TahitiNut]

24. "He looked like a 12-year old last night."

Yeah ... so "unmanly." Not a "real man." :eyes:

[Bake]

30. His shirt swallowed him up.

You may not like it, but image DOES matter. His cuffs were coming down over half of his hands. His collar was about two sizes too large. Who let him go out looking like that? I'd love to see him get more support. His message is important. Unfortunately the messenger doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

You can gripe about it, but the vast majority of the electorate is not as well informed on the issues as you are (and I don't mean that to sound at all snarky; you know that). That's why image matters.

Bake

[TahitiNut]

32. Yes. Paris Hilton looks so much better on a fashion runway.

At the same time, did anyone notice how well the people in the audience wore their suits? My grandfather always looked uncomfortable in his ill-fitting suits; my father always looked uncomfortable in his ill-fitting suits; and I was always uncomfortable in my suits, even though they fit and I wore them for 20 years. (I hate suits.)

You want a fashion model? Vote for Paris Hilton. :eyes:



Let's deal with the candidates like it's a figure skating competition and vote on Style and Technical Merit. Here's the points I'd award for last night's competition ...

Kucinich - style 6, technical 10
Edwards - style 8, technical 9
Richardson - style 7, technical 8
Dodd - style 7, technical 6
Obama - style 9, technical 6
Clinton - style 9, technical 5
Biden - style 7, technical 4

I tend to use style as a tie-breaker only ... YMMV.

Here's giving equal weight ...

Edwards - style 8, technical 9
Kucinich - style 6, technical 10
Obama - style 9, technical 6
Richardson - style 7, technical 8
Clinton - style 9, technical 5
Dodd - style 7, technical 6
Biden - style 7, technical 4


Here's the style ranking ...

Obama - style 9, technical 6
Clinton - style 9, technical 5
Edwards - style 8, technical 9
Richardson - style 7, technical 8
Dodd - style 7, technical 6
Biden - style 7, technical 4
Kucinich - style 6, technical 10

(I have my own opinion of why many rank DK last, as you see.)

[Bake]

33. You're griping to the wrong person

And you're going to be pissed when DK ends up dropping out of the race because his support never cracks 5%, or if he stays in the race, finishes last. And you're going to wonder why -- or maybe you'll blame it on the MSM, the other candidates, dirty politics, etc. Image is part of the game, and DK isn't playing it very well. Maybe you applaud that, or maybe you wish he were better at the game. Regardless, you're backing a losing candidate.

I don't want to elect a fashion model. I want to elect someone who inspires confidence in enough voters to kick the living sh*t out of the Puke candidate and LEAD this country.

Bake

[TahitiNut]

34. I 'gripe' at those who "carry water" for idiots.

I gripe at those who're so ready to tell me (often with 'concern') what "some people say" ... and then act as surrogate mouthpieces for imbeciles who vote based on "who they'd rather have a beer with."

I'm not interested in appealing to (or PANDERING TO) the lowest common denominator ... or dominator or dominatrix.

I'm interested in who gets it right. I'm interested in skills and values and principles ... not clothes horses.

Speaking of "horses" ... it's NOT a horse race and I get NO WINNINGS by trying to bet on the winner. Voting is NOT a bet. Voting is a matter of conscience, not a matter of capitalizing.

Insofar as MY VOTE ... I can ALWAYS use the write-in. I have no obligation to go along with a crowd. I'm only responsible for my vote.

[dkofos]

28. But he sounded like a wise old MAN. If you want to vote on looks

then vote for his wife to be FIRST LADY.

[Bake]

31. I didn't know First Lady was on a ballot.

I don't vote on looks. But as I mentioned above, a lot of voters DO consider image. You may not like it but tell me it's not true.

Dennis needs better handlers. And a better tailor.

Bake

[dkofos]

41. You probably don't vote in your own best interests either.

[Bake]

44. Of course I do.

You totally misunderstood, not surprisingly. I'm not talking about how **I** vote. I'm talking about why your 12-year old isn't electable BY THE MASSES -- you know, the ones who vote. Millions of 'em.

You can't handle the truth.

Bake

[dkofos]

47. The truth is, people are stupid and vote against their best interests.

[TahitiNut]

20. He's "unmanly."

After all, "real men" are taller, preferably with broad shoulders. He's "woo-woo" ... and that's the same as saying he's a "girly man."

IMHO, these repeated attacks are sexist. We get what we ask for ... even if only to continue to complain about "paternalism." (What woman doesn't want "broad shoulders" to "cry on"?? Yeah. Right.)
:puke:

[Bryn]

21. Kick

:kick: R&R

[Individualist]

22. DLC's attempts to swiftboat Kucinich are pathetic

They're running scared because he's the antithesis of all the stand for, and all they can come up with is the overused and ineffective "unelectable" talking point, criticism of his looks and the way he dresses.

[VP505]

23. I agree with

most every positive thing I have read here about DK, I hadn't given him fair consideration in the past but the last few times out he has gotten my attention and support. What really worries me is that the DLC and party elite seem to be pushing for Hillary, she might make a good president but not this time around, Kucinich has more "we the people" appeal, IMO. Something we desperately need from our next president.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

25. The media sucks. THEY choose the candidate by their propaganda.

n/t

[THUNDER HANDS]

27. if he's so electable

why doesn't he run for senate first, to see how broad his support really is, at least in his own state where, presumably, more people would know him.

Until he does that, and proves he can win at least state-wide, like all the other candidates in the field have done, he hasn't proven anything and confirms he's running a pure vanity-driven campaign.

[Dragonbreathp9d]

29. vanity driven?

do you really believe that? Thats bollocks

[mvd]

35. Wow, that was Dennis's best debate yet

And I'm a big fan of him! I was proud of everyone last night except for Biden, who really seemed out of touch in my opinion. But Dennis would be my dream candidate. He's even more liberal than I am on reparations - I prefer reparations be encouraged for some corporations founded by slavery - but it's nice to find a candidate who is actually more liberal on an issue instead of less. Is he electable? If given a chance, maybe. People would appreciate his honesty.

[AuntPatsy]

36. I have to agree with you, I can't count how many times I have heard

people repeating the same thing they have heard from others in the media as if it were factual, I think it is possible to media brain wash people in ways that by repeating the same thing time after time that eventualy whether one is speaking the truth or lying outright it just no longer matters, the lies become absolute truth enough that they find themselves repeating what they heard without real thought.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

37. "I love him but he can't win"

If I'd had a dollar for every person who said that to me during the 2004 campaign, I don't know what I could have bought, but it would have been something major.

Here's a concept: Vote for the person YOU really like, not the person you think other people will like.

[Highway61]

38. Personally

I think he's the BEST!

[TahitiNut]

39. "I can't support him because he won't win."

Such vomit belongs at the OTB or race track, NOT on a political discussion board. Selling out. More personally 'invested' in calling it than in values and principles.

This is the mental malfunction of the 'pragmatist' who needs to practice using his crystal balls - the easily breakable subterfuges for courage.

Runway models and gender stereotypes ... appalling.

:puke:

(Yes, I mix metaphors freely. What's it to ya?) :silly:

[elmerdem]

40. campaigns should be

publicly financed. That would be a good start. Level the playing field from the beginning.

[goodhue]

42. not me

I vote for him every chance I get. Also, I think you mean unelectable, not unelectible.

[Bake]

45. DK is unelectable because his support never gets above 5%.

Period.

Bake

[thegreatcause2]

46. He is not Machiavellian enough

"Lies are necessary in order to live" -Nietzsche. For the Dems to win in 08, we need someone who head fakes to the right while campaigning, but governs to the left when they are in whitehouse. Hillary is the perfect candidate for this. Kucinich is too principled to beat the repukes in a general election.

[DJKDJKDJK]

49. Brainwashing comes in many forms

Who do you trust today? I think we're in a position where we have no one left to trust but Kucinich. He's the only one I trust. I don't even know if I trust myself. But I trust Kucinich. How's that?