To Those Of You Considering Ignoring Impeachment Proceedings - Please Consider

[AuntPatsy]

Constitutionan Watergate

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=34506

To demonstrate the numerous broken laws by Bush and his administration, the House Judiciary Committee recently released a report called “Constitution in Crisis”. This report identifies 26 specific laws and regulations that have been broken or violated by the current administration. The implicated broken laws are broken out into 6 separate categories:

• Deception of Congress and the American Public
(5 broken laws or regs)

• Improper Detention, Torture and Other Inhumane Treatment
(8 Broken laws or regs)

• Retaliating Against Witnesses and Other Individuals
(5 broken laws or regs)

• Leaking and Other Misuse of Intelligence and Other Government Information
(2 broken laws or regs)

• Laws Governing Electronic Surveillance
(5 broken laws or regs)

• Laws and Guidelines Prohibiting Conflicts of Interest
(1 broken law or reg)

John Conyers (D-MI) the Ranking Member of the Committee stated, “The situation we find ourselves in today under the administration of George W. Bush is systematically worse than previous scandals such as Watergate and Iran-Contra. Alleged acts of wrongdoing include: making misleading statements about the decision to go to war; manipulating intelligence; facilitating and countenancing torture; using classified information to out a CIA agent; and violating federal surveillance and privacy laws – are quite serious.”

Conyers has proposed a series of recommendations based on the reports findings, many of which are based on passing some of the many bills he and others have introduced to improve oversight and accountability.

The reality is that unless the public puts serious pressure on their members in Congress, this administration will go on doing what they’ve been doing while they thumb their nose at the Congress and the American people. The President will continue to use executive privilege and Attorney General Gonzales and his justice department to shield him from investigation.






Another good reason for impeachment, we owe it to those who have already lost their lives as well as those who very well could lose theirs soon, the clock is ticking on thousands of US Military men and women as well as innocent bystanders caught up in an illegal occupation not of their making, we must impeach.


http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_allen_l__070807_actual_american_comb.htm

ACTUAL AMERICAN COMBAT DEATHS OVER 15,000 / NOT 3,700 AS REPORTED

Three Dead and severely wounded American soldiers in Iraq ~ Are they being correctly reported ?
It's not a matter of what is true that counts but a matter of what is perceived to be true : Henry Kissinger

The perception of truth is the ongoing mantra of the Cheney/Bush administration for their greatest enemy is the truth and they will go to any lengths to avoid it ~ as witnessed by their stonewalling of the 9/11 commission as well as the Pat Tillman wrongful death inquiry.

But this one borders on being morally traitorous. Torin Wolf has a broad and varied background as a US Army Combat Nurse during Operation Iraqi Freedom and reveals that the actual count of dead American troops numbers is around 15,000-17,000, not the 3,600 we have been told. “If you get shot in combat – Bam! Clock goes off.

If you die in transit you are not an official Iraq casualty.”

The same holds true if the troops out of the country die 24 hours after they were hit in Iraq. The official troop death number is just those that have died in action on the ground.

[billyoc]

1. Oh, I'm definitely not going to ignore impeachment proceedings

if they start.

If they don't start, I've got better things to get on with. :hi:

[AuntPatsy]

2. I don't understand seriously why people believe impeachment to be impossible and non productive.

There is a reason that this action is in place and if it was ever in need to be utilized it is now, right now.

[superkia]

13. Its just what they want us to think.

It is possible and should be done but never will. Too many people would go down with them, we would need to replace allot of people in our government. I believe the corruptness is so much deeper than just a few! If their is an ounce of justice left in this system, it needs to happen, the sooner the better.

[porphyrian]

3. I'll definitely kick this. - n/t

[AuntPatsy]

4. Appreciate it, lives are being lost each day impeachment is ignored.

[porphyrian]

8. Agreed, and it's completely unacceptable. - n/t

[FourScore]

5. Perfect, AuntPatsy!

K&R!

:toast:

[OzarkDem]

6. Congress does NOT fully understand this issue

They are not fully aware of what the Bush administration has been up to and know far less about the case for impeachment than those advocating for it.

They are also unaware of the tools at their disposal to investigate the Bush admin nor do they have a complete idea of what the evidence is telling them or where to go.

I've watched the Bush administration destroy or damage nearly everything in this country, including its economic future for myself and my children. I will not stand by and let them destroy the last great thing about our country - its Constitution and my rights. I will not.

[AuntPatsy]

7. Oh I dont believe them ignorant of what this administration is up to

I do think though many will disagree that blackmail is in play, if even average citizen is now aware of what is going on, how could those who live their lives in political circles twenty four seven not be aware,

I also believe they no full well what they need to go ahead on impeachment proceedings, but something is holding them back and I seriously don't believe it be ignorance, I think perhaps we the people need to do a bit of investigating ourselves, it was not heads of state who kept the british King from taking over the colonies it was "we the people" and maybe it is time once again for "we the People" to take up the same reigns and upseat the wouldbeking.

[Poiuyt]

12. I don't believe they are ignorant either

In fact, in many cases they know more than any of us. How many of them saw all of the Abu Ghraib photos that weren't released to the public?

I think they are just lazy and afraid that they will make too many waves. They don't want to look like they are just after retribution for the Clinton impeachment.

[truedelphi]

9. May I join you Ozark. We can stand with the flag at half mast

And our hats (and brokemn hearts) in our hands.

[AuntPatsy]

10. I refuse to believe all is lost. I am just not ready to give up.

[JFN1]

11. Where is the friggin' press?

The question on the troops should be: "How many US soldiers have died as a consequence of having served in Iraq?"

This administration is so slick, they can twist anything...and the MSM doesn't bat an eye...

[FourScore]

14. I have to wonder how much it has to do with MSM corporate interests

and the whole military industrial complex. There is a great documentary called "Why We Fight".

I highly recommend it.

[Vidar]

15. K&R.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. I agree with you, problem is the leadership does not

[radfringe]

17. the catch-22 argument against impeachment goes like this:

no-impeachers: I don't SUPPORT impeachment because we don't have the VOTES

congresscritters: I won't VOTE for impeachment because we don't have the SUPPORT

this man didn't worry about having enough votes when he stood up:



meanwhile the bush/cheney machine rolls on - and who's to stop them?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1548426

[Senator]

18. Sadly, "Considering" Is Decidedly NOT What They're Doing

If it were, they'd be able to supply some considered responses instead of simple-mindedly parroting the false rationalization memes that bounce around the beltway echo chamber. It is identical to the groupthink that brought us the horror of Iraq, thanks to their Pavlovian response to being terrorized by shouts of "Mushroom Clouds!"

If they would stop to consider that repeatedly banging their heads against the brick walls of filibuster, veto, and "Rule By Signing Statement" is the definition of insanity, they might be able to avoid the electoral damage they are self-inflicting by constantly playing the weakness card.

If they would stop to consider that impeachment would allow "our side" to direct the terms of public discussion and force proper attention from the euphemedia trivializers, they might reap the benefits of Constitutional defense, non-complicity with war crimes, projection of party moral strength, and a recommitment to reality-based politics. The 2008 elections could be based on ideas, issues, and solutions to the problems we'd still face in as a unified nation in a post-bushcheney, reality-based world.

But careerist Strategery Consultants don't consider such simple reality. They've got their "last half percent of swing-voter" white whale to pursue. For them to actually consider what it would mean to lead by defending our lost, core American values would require a cranial-rectoscopy.

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[marions ghost]

20. "swing voter white whale' to pursue.....LOL

I have to agree with you Senator.

Failure to go for impeachment is going to make them look worse and worse. They can hardly justify it now.

[onenote]

19. not this casualty count bullshit again!

I thought that had finally been beaten into the ground as it deserves. The contention that the casualty list is limited to fatalities "on the ground" has been debunked so many time that anyone who repeats it is entitled to zero credibility on anything else that they say. ZERO.

You can go look up detailed information on the casualty list at http://icasualties.org/oif/ and find numerous examples of reported fatalities occurring in military hospitals in europe and the us weeks and months after the service member was injured in Iraq.

God, the bullshit is getting awfully deep around here these days.

[Caretha]

21. Thanks for the link

I went to the site but could not find a category for soldiers who died off the battlefield or in hospitals due to their injuries.

How many of the 3,683 dead American soldiers died in battle, and how many died later out of country in a hospital?

[onenote]

22. I don't believe that the information is sorted in such a fashion

However, if you click on any of the months in the month-by-month listing, you will get a detailed listing of each of that month's fatalities, including name, place of death, and cause of death.

For example, if you click on 5-2007 (http://icasualties.org/oif/prdDetails.aspx?hndRef=5-2007) you will see listings for fatalities occuring at Bethesda MD Naval Hospital based on injuries incurred in Iraq.

[Mark Twain Girl]

23. I'm curious, do those who *don't* favor impeachment for these illegal actions have an alternative?

If impeachment is a waste of time and energy, then what should be done to address these illegal actions?

Waiting to unseat them from office is another way of saying "wait it out, but let them go free." Maybe I've missed alternate plans, and if so, I would be very happy to be corrected. Please, please, correct me -- tell me that there is justice for powerful, wealthy elites who abuse their offices.

Otherwise, these people go home after a defeat in 2008... to corporate boardrooms, oil companies and the Carlyle Group, to continue to *shape policy* there, with impunity.