Poor Bush pere is suffering because people point out to him what a useless dolt his son is

[BurtWorm]

:nopity:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/09/washington/09bushes.html?hp=&pagewanted=print



First Father: Tough Times on Sidelines
By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG

WASHINGTON, Aug. 8 — There are times in the life of George Herbert Walker Bush, the 41st president of the United States and father of the 43rd, that people, perfect strangers, come up to him and say the harshest things — words intended to comfort but words that wind up only causing pain.

“I love you, sir, but your son’s way off base here,” they might say, according to Ron Kaufman, a longtime adviser to Mr. Bush, who has witnessed any number of such encounters — perhaps at a political fund-raiser, or a restaurant dinner, a chance meeting on the streets of Houston or Kennebunkport, Me. They are, he says, just one way the presidency of the son has taken a toll on the father.

...

These are distressing days for the Bush family patriarch, only the second former president in American history, after John Adams, to see his son take the White House. At 83, he finds it tough to watch his son get criticized from the sidelines; often, he likens himself to a Little League father whose kid is having a rough game. And like the proud and angry Little League dad who cannot help but yell at the umpire, sometimes he just cannot help getting involved.

The official line from the White House is that 41, as he is known in Bush circles, gives advice to 43 only when asked. But interviews with a broad range of people close to both presidents — including family members like the elder Mr. Bush’s daughter, Doro Bush Koch, and aides who have worked for both men, like Andrew H. Card Jr. — suggest a far more complicated father-son dynamic, in which the former president is not nearly so distant as the White House would have people believe.

They talk almost every morning by phone, and Mr. Bush studiously avoids saying anything critical of his son, close associates say. But he has privately expressed irritation with some of his son’s aides. At times, he has urged White House officials to seek outside advice, and he has passed on his own foreign policy wisdom to the president, even as he makes a point of saying his son’s administration is not his.

...

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. My gums bleed for him.

n/t

[Bozita]

2. Poppy should have steered his son toward something more suited to his abilities.

Like produce picking.

No offense intended to actual produce pickers.

[superkia]

23. Thank you for the laugh, that felt great!

[Javaman]

40. actually he* did that and failed miserably, like everything he attempts. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Oh poor baby

really

If I had a chance I'd tell senior, "your son is a deserter, a traitor and an idiot."

Of course I'd have to deal with the Secret Service, but hey whatever

[tularetom]

4. I wanna see him blubber on TV again

about how mean everbody is to his idiot son.

[porphyrian]

5. I hope it doesn't make him hit another woman in the head with a golf ball. - n/t

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

6. Bush pere compares his son's fuck-ups to Little League?

Do Little Leaguers get to play with the nuclear button?

[tridim]

10. And he talks about yelling at the umpire..

What umpire?

That analogy is entirely unnecessary, not to mention insulting.

[Canuckistanian]

28. The umpire is tied and gagged in the locker room

L'il Bush has the whole playing field to himself now.

[AndyA]

7. Tough shit, 41. You raised the sorry son of a bitch.

He's a worthless, lying, miserable failure and always has been. You've been covering his ass for years. Now the rest of America and the world has to suffer because of him as well.

It will take a responsible, intelligent person YEARS to undo the damage your son has wrought on the world. Upset? You sure as hell SHOULD BE.

[TankLV]

19. And, we mean son of a BITCH - get it George?!?!

[Fridays Child]

8. When I think of the harm that multiple generations of Bush men have inflicted upon the world...

...I find it impossible to feel an ounce of sympathy for Poppy. And on another subject, why in the world can't George Bush get that nasty, brown front tooth of his fixed?

[Olney Blue]

11. Father and son both have unfortunate teeth.

[BurtWorm]

34. Bush looks more and more like Alfred E. Neuman every day.

Not quite as intelligent looking, though.

[grasswire]

9. the harshest things?

They say "you're son's off base, sir" and Bushpa thinks that's the harshest thing?????!!!!!!

I can think of a zillion harsher criticisms. I've heard a zillion.

The world has gone mad.

[ellaydubya]

12. Reel him in

Hey, Big Daddy, reel your young'un in. Obviously, to us all, this was a big mistake. Junior can't handle it. We all make mistakes but now it is time to admit yours and do something about it. Get your people to deal with his people and stop this madness you have allowed. Thank you very much.

[spag68]

13. Bush the elder

is every bit as much a criminal as his son, as was his father, and grandfather, along with numerous uncles and probably aunts. I don't have one iota of sympathy for any of the greedy conniving bas---ds.I'll be happy when they are all in South America somewhere, or prison.

[VP505]

20. I agree but

I do respect 41 for his WW2 military service and that's about the only thing I can respect either of them for.

[NJCher]

24. linkey loo?

Anybody got that link that tells how bush sr abandoned his flight companions during WWII? There's a first-person account of it on the Web somewhere.

You won't respect his military service after you read this.



Cher

[Cooley Hurd]

31. Here's the story:

http://www.usvetdsp.com/story46.htm

Bush's Betrayal

Chester Mierzejewski, an old war buddy of Bush, who said he was angered by the "false assertions" made by candidate Bush when describing the incident, gave a different account.

After 44 years of silence, Mierzejewski, who also was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross, told the New York Post that Bush had abandoned his crew to death when there was another choice.

He said he was approximately 100 feet in front of Bush's plane as the turret gunner for Squadron Commander Douglas Melvin's plane, "so close he could see in the cockpit" of Bush's bomber. Mierzejewski's close wartime buddy was one of the two crew members in Bush's plane.

According to Mierzejewski, the squadron was in a tight-formation bombing raid against a Japanese radio installation on an island reported to be heavily fortified. He saw "a puff of smoke" come from Bush's plane which quickly disappeared and was certain only one man parachuted from the plane and that it was Bush, the pilot.

Mierzejewski said the Avenger torpedo bomber was engineered so that it could successfully crash land on water and that Bush doomed his own crew by bailing out and leaving the bomber out of control.

Other World War II veterans also expressed concern about Bush parachuting out of the aircraft. "He had a moral obligation to put that plane in the water in an emergency landing," Robert Flood, a former B-17 bombardier told the press. "He violated the primary rule for a captain of a multi-crew aircraft: The pilot never leaves the airplane with anybody in it."

Pete Brandon, a Marine Corps Avenger pilot, who also served in the South Pacific, said an Avenger pilot had two choices: Set the plane down in the water or hold it steady until the two crewmen could prepare to jump.

"In an Avenger, only the pilot wore a parachute," Brandon said. "The two crewmen wore harnesses. If the order came to bail out, they had to take chest parachutes from a shelf and strap them on - and bail out. The Avenger was very unstable. The pilot had to be at the controls the whole time or it would go right over on its back."
</snip>

And they named an aircraft carrier after this wussy...:eyes:

[NJCher]

37. thanks, Cooley

I'm bookmarking this. It's always surprising to me how few people know the truth about bush sr.

Cher

[Cooley Hurd]

38. The rear gunner (Mierzejewski) was only 100 ft from the front of Poppy's plane...

...and was in the BEST viewing position to judge if the aircraft was on fire or not.

We also have to remember that Poppy was only 20 years old and, even if he did freak out, it would be... I guess, understandable. HOWEVER, they've played up this myth that he was some sort of hero, when in fact, it's likely he wasn't.:thumbsdown:

He was no Joe and Jack Kennedy, no Elliot Roosevelt, no TR Jr...

[Maddy McCall]

14. Poor ol' fucker.

Should have pulled out that night.

[C_U_L8R]

15. They share the same brain

put 'em together and you get a half wit

[gumby]

16. The Bush Family is a Satanic Cult.

Don't know any other way to say it. Plain and simple.

[TankLV]

17. Hey George - you really should have punished the asswipe that is you bastard son...

Better yet, you should have pulled out of your skanky bitch wife BEFORE you created that evil spawn...

How's that NAZI dad of yours? Studying new techniques for subversion?

That's the best I could say to him...

[SoCalDem]

18. No amount of suffering is enough for the old coot... He at least got to live a full, prosperous long

life.. The two crewmen he bailed out on all those years ago, never had a chance to live at all..

and for all the filthy deals he cut along the way, he deserves no comfort..

I like the fact that his son is a major screw up.. If he had even been a mediocre president, he would have always had a place in history as being the 2nd son of a pres to be pres.. but since he's done such a horrible job, he'll forever be the Barry Bonds of the Bush family... and a permanent asterisk in the history books not published by Murdoch..

*²stupid³

[dysfunctional press]

21. poppy's been calling the shots since 1981...

it's his world, we just have the misfortune of living in it.

[NJCher]

25. same old same old

poppy's been calling the shots since 1981...

No kidding. These excerpts:

He is a frequent visitor to the White House. He still loves eating at the White House mess and has breakfast or coffee with Karl Rove, the president’s chief political strategist, whenever he comes, mostly to chew over political gossip. From time to time, he picks up the phone to talk policy with Joshua B. Bolten, the White House chief of staff. He called Mr. Bolten’s predecessor, Mr. Card, about every other week.

also this para:

“It was relatively easy for me to read the sitting president’s body language after he had talked to his mother or father,” Mr. Card said. “Sometimes he’d ask me a probing question. And I’d think, Hmm, I don’t think that question came from him.”





Cher

[pinto]

22. What an odd dynamic.

[DesertRat]

26. You reap what you sow. n/t

[Rex]

27. Well shit, what do you expect? Evil fucks spawn evil fucks!

Aww, Satan is crying about his son Bane being 'abused' by people he can't kill or torture.

Waaaaa...

:nopity:

[Lugnut]

29. Gag me

If I'm supposed to feel sorry for the old SOB it didn't work.

[Gelliebeans]

30. Gee 41...

Do you really think the rest of the goddamn world is so far off base in their critism or is it time for you to get with the program?
As far as feeling sorry for him well...he created this mess.

This is so much bigger than a little league game your little georgie is the poster boy for bad parenting so you own this mess with Babs.

43's presidency will go down as the world's worst clusterfuck term in the history of the US.

But hey don't let that bother you since you never did in the past.

[peekaloo]

32. Boo hoo hoo. When the going gets tough the tough bail out. Seems reality

is his latest Geronimooooooooooooo.

Kinda like that Twilight Zone episode where the ventriloquist's dummy takes on a life of its own.

[formercia]

33. Inbreeding has it's pitfalls

Bad seed begats bad crops.

[spanone]

35. what an embarrassment junior must be, even to his parents.

[SammyWinstonJack]

36. He's an embarrassment only until they've checked their bank accounts and stock portfolios.

He's enriched the whole BFEE.

[indepat]

39. Poor pere: it's enough to make one weep

[MotorCityMan]

41. Dear God, HOW many times are they going to redo this article?

:puke:

How many times the last 7 years have there been articles/reports about how "upset" George and Bar are over how "mean" everyone is to their son?!?!

For fucks sake, you'd think George Sr's hide would be as thick as Bar's by now.

And * is in his 60's for crissakes. He still has to have Daddy defend him?