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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 11:31 PM
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Remember how high DU's expectations were last November, AFTER the election???
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 11:36 PM
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1. Please let us have our moment of grandeur...
the rest of this place has been so depressing lately.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 11:37 PM
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2. Depends on which week it is.
We hate Mary Landrieu. Mary Landrieu is our HERO!

Did you see Tweety smack the shit out of ___________________ ? Tweety is an asshole!!

DU is a fickle, fickle place.

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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 11:37 PM
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3. Slowly?
Hehe.

But ya gotta like Waxman at the least. Well maybe. Can we go to court already?!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 11:38 PM
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4. Well they did do Minimum Wage...but some states have raised it highter than Congress
and there was some money in some bill about student loans that might qualify for education.

I think Homeland Security was their top priority in the first months though. :sarcasm:
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:30 AM
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16. Minimum wage, what a joke that is, it is what keeps the people in place and unable
to have time to fight against the criminal element that has overtaken our government.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 11:40 PM
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5. some better than others
Feinstein :argh:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:09 AM
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11. Hey! I wish I were still surrounded by Lee, Honda, Boxer, (even) Lantos, and the rest.
We could swap Debbie Stabenow for DiFi and come out nearly equal on the trade.

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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 11:42 PM
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6. 6) Nationalize the energy industry
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I'm sorry, did I miss a presidential election that Noam Chomsky won? :rofl:
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-08-07 11:59 PM
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7. not worth a shit!!!!
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:03 AM
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8. Give Credit Where Credit's Due
If you go back and check my posts, I was quite convinced that they were a bunch of craven triangulators even back then. Unfortunately, I was correct.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:06 AM
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9. Yup. Some of us didn't take the Happy Pills.
:shrug:
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:07 AM
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10. My expectations are just as high as they have always been, I am just rethinking
a plan we need to help change become possible. We all should be doing that.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:10 AM
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12. Let's hope anything one of us does ...
... is something we'd have ALL do. (That's the Categorical Imperative.)

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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:29 AM
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15. Exactly, "all" is key to winning this war to regain our democracy.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:27 AM
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13. I really don't know why people expect things to be different
Our system of government took a long time to get into this mess. One election is not going to turn things around over night. Additionally, our representatives in Congress are only going to do the right thing if we teach them that 1) we are watching and 2) their actions have consequences. I have lots of hope for the direction we're moving in, but I am honestly mystified at those here who act as if last november were some magical event and now all we have to do is fall back to our usual non-involvement.

Folks need to get used to the idea that this is a constant struggle. So long as you want good government, it will never be over.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:32 AM
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17. Have to agree with you there, I never had the faith so many did that
simply because NOV of 06 place more dems in the so called right positions that change would be that easy, so I guess that is why I am not as stunned as many others.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:47 AM
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25. I just wish people weren't being so self-destructive about all this
It's like a baseball team that throws up it's hands and gives up every time their team strikes out at bat.

(Sorry for the late reply. Had net problems. Tried to post this three times in the last hour.)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:28 AM
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14. Nader, Zinn and Chomsky are right
team A and Team B... but same corporatist party

that is how its working out
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:37 AM
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18. Oh yeah...clearly George W Bush is JUST like a Democrat
And that Harry Reid guy...absolutely no difference between say him and Trent Lott. Nope, no difference at all.

Whatever.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:40 AM
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19. Tell me... if they are that different why did they vote for FISA?
Edited on Thu Aug-09-07 12:41 AM by nadinbrzezinski
and have you ever read Chomsky?

Occam's razor comes to mind, given the evidence

1.- They are incompetent

2.- We are an Empire, and an empire will do what an empire will do.

3.- They have been threatened

4.- They are, at least the blue dogs, part of the same corporatist party, with kinder policies, but the same party nonetheless

The evidence is out there.

Once again, Occam's razor comes to mind.

Oh and to add

the excuses are just excuses, and what the hell are they keeping their powder dry for?

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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:53 AM
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20. I have read some Chomsky though I am no expert
However, the issue is not whether our Democrats in Congress are incompetent, or whether we are an empire. Your statement was that the two parties are actually the same party. I vehemently disagree with that.

You may see no difference between this Congress and the last, but I certainly do. Basically, I question what the point is even saying their the same. Is your goal to get Democrats to stop voting because I see no other result from this line of thought.


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:59 AM
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22. You misunderstand
Edited on Thu Aug-09-07 01:02 AM by nadinbrzezinski
it is the leadership that is acting as part of the same

Look, they are not listening to the base on many issues, and given you so many excuses its not even funny

It is the blue dogs, for the most part

And if you think the progressives will get power in the current system, I, Chomsky, Zinn and even Nader, have a bridge to sell you

There are serious problems and members of BOTH parties are invested in it

And I will add, yes there are differences, what Chomsky calls team B, instead of team A...

In case you need a translation

Team A, the Republicans, far more extreme and far more obvious in the ultimate goals

Team B... the democrats, and I would qualify that to say, the CONSERVATIVE Democrats, the triangulators, the DLC... the ones who are in domestic policy less harsh, but in foreign policy, almost carbon copies... and in things like shreding the Constitution... they are one and the same... in case you missed those votes last weekend

As to keeping people at home

Well I did not stay home and voted when I knew kabuki theater was fully in place where I came from. Seen this movie before. You think I will stay home now, even though I am possitive my vote and my voice don't count?
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:46 AM
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24. So then what is the point of saying they are the same?
It appears to me that what you're saying is that there are certain groups within our Congressional delegation are a problem (understatment, I know). I won't disagree with you there. However, rather than tearing down the entire party wouldn't it make a lot more sense to simply target the 'problem children' within the party? Again, there is this sense of hopelessness in what you write and that is what I most object to. It is not hopeless. We have made incredible progress. Before last Nov. there were no investigations. Not even a hint of Congressional oversight. Worse than that was the looming threat of unchecked Republican legislation that was constant. Yes, there is a lot more to be done but now we have the luxury of targeting DINOs and either helping them get a spine or tossing them out on their butts.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:50 AM
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26. Talk to me when we impeach
and talk to me when they stop shredding the constitution

Yes it is the problem children that work for a single goal who inhabit BOTH parties and who have the power

Hopelessness... again... you misunderstand

The first step in fixing anything is recognizing the problem

The problem is... the elite, the leadership, is the same, two flavors of the same exact coin, wedded to the same through.

That is the problem

Once you recognize that, you can take steps

If you believe elections will successfully remove these folks... go for it

In my view we will need DIRECT action... nothing short of that will actually change the dynamics
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:00 AM
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31. Well, that's fine, but please stop pissing on the efforts of those of us who
are trying to get Democrats elected and who DO feel that there is a significant difference between the two parties. I have no problems with your efforts at direct action or whatever route you want to take. In fact I think it's a good thing. Lets not sabotage each others efforts.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:10 PM
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50. I'm not sabotaging
Hell I will show up and vote for the lesser of the two evils, (and count on my vote not being counted), but I now recognize the reality.

Hell I will continue to demand impeachment

I will continue to demand they do the right thing regarding the constitution

But I no longer expect them to do anything but what the corporations want them to do

Yep, fascism is here, wake up and smell the coffee
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:58 AM
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21. "they". Heh.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:52 AM
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27. Alert, alert! I'm going to alert on you...
Truth alert, that is...
:loveya:
Two party system my ass, eh?
BHN

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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:54 AM
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28. With all due respect, please explain to me the point of this comment
Are you saying we should stop voting? If not, why are you phrasing it in such way that is utterly disempowering?
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:58 AM
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30. No, we can vote all day long- fact is, in case you haven't noticed-
Edited on Thu Aug-09-07 01:59 AM by BeHereNow
The wheel of corporatism continues to crush us all.
Our representatives do not uphold the law.
Democratics or Republicans.
Why is that?
Could it be that the majority of them serve the same
corporate masters and not we, the people?

Oh wait, they did manage to pass a minimum wage increase that
will make for a salary that I couldn't feed my cat on in a year.
Hooray!

BHN
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:02 AM
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32. So you feel it's hopeless and you just post here to share your misery?
Thanks.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:10 AM
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34. Until we face the facts, there will be no solution.
We have a VERY BIG problem- is it hopeless?
Time will tell; at the moment it is very grim.
Are the American people up to the fight?
I am not hopeful when the majority have
no awareness of what the problem actually is.

BHN
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:14 AM
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35. So you do just want to share the misery. Again. Thanks.
It's real helpful.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:21 AM
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37. Share your solution- ease my misery.
I'd welcome that.
I'm dreadfully tired of hopelessness.
Tell me how we get the country back from
the corporate piggies in Congress.
BHN
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:24 AM
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39. Well, what do you see as the single biggest issue facing us right now? -nt-
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:32 AM
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40. That reply is longer than I have tonight- I am exhausted.
But I promise to give you a detailed answer tomorrow
because I do value your thoughts on my concerns and I am
always open to reasonable discussion, which you always
exhibit on this board, plus I really do need some hope at this point.
Tomorrow then?

Sweet dreams until then-
BHN
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:48 AM
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41. Night!
:hi:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 03:09 PM
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52. The right to VOTE
and have that VOTE COUNTED.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 05:41 PM
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53. This morning on C-span...to continue our discussion and expand on Karenina's post/VOTING
I was watching C-span this morning, there was a press release speaker,
don't know exactly what the format was, but he was reporting the
swing state primary poll results. Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania.
Ohio and Florida alone are chilling, given those are the states
where the last two elections were stolen.
He said that Clinton and Gulliani were the leaders in those states-
I would rather move to Antartica than see either of those
candidates become president, but I think the fix is in.
I think the corporate powers that have taken power will
select our president, whether it is Hilary or Guilliani, I think
we will continue to see business as usual- government
by the corporate interests, for the corporate interests.

My biggest concern is that our votes do not count.
That the election process in our country is rigged.

The ballot results in Ohio from 2004 have been destroyed,
thus effectively making any investigations impossible.

No one makes a peep about it- destroyed?
That is illegal, and still nothing is done.

How do you think we make certain our votes are counted?

BHN


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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:12 PM
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51. Yep,
Edited on Thu Aug-09-07 01:13 PM by nadinbrzezinski
and there is a reason the founders didn't have factions in their plans

And that is why we were also warned, repeteadly mind you, that this country could only be destroyed from within...

Ike was the last one to give us this warning in his farewell adress

I guess the old General is right about now shaking his head as the military industrial complex has risen to heights unexpected after the foundation of the National Security State
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:02 AM
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23. some of us are still resolute and working toward those goals - and others
who said it would be easy? :shrug:
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:58 AM
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29. Absolutely. I fully expected Feingold & Conyers to lead the charge
against the barricades. Instead it's been one long "deployment to the rear".
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:03 AM
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33. Feigned allegiance to the principles of democracy
seem to be far too prevalent... the old axiom "actions speak louder than words" keeps resounding in my head.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:17 AM
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36. How's that working out, you ask?
It isn't going as well as I hoped. :evilfrown:
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:23 AM
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38. Maybe they were too high
We did not have the Presidency, too, for one thing.

Many of those Democrats were elected on somewhat conservative platforms.

I remember thinking the Chimpy was being told not to go too far, not that the nation had suddenly turned liberal.

Though the FISA thing is exactly the sort of thing that I believed would not happen. So those Dems elected were considerably more conservative than I would have guessed at the time.

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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 07:04 AM
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42. Well, I think we have to realize that our election system--the actual mechanism
of it--is gravely compromised. I mean, when you look at it with open eyes, it's just ludicrous: Rightwing Bushite corporations "counting" all the votes with new, highly insecure and insider hackable electronic voting machines run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, with virtually no audit/recount controls.

This is NEW. This was done AT THE SAME TIME as the Iraq War Resolution (October 2002)--with the so-called "Help America Vote Act"--which our party leadership not only supported, but has forcefully defended, by, among other things, helping the war profiteering corporate news monopolies to 'blackhole' what is, in fact, probably the most important news story in the history of democracy: the hijacking of America's election system by private, partisan corporations!

Since I knew this, in November 2006, while I was delighted and heartened to see signs of life in our democracy, I was not expecting any big change or reform. I was not expecting impeachment. I was not expecting an end to the war. Hoping for them, of course, but not expecting them. We in the election reform movement also had early warning from TruthIsAll that the Democratic victory--some 30 seats in the House, and a one-vote edge in the Senate--was less than it should have been. Should have been about 50 seats in the House, and more of an edge in the Senate. Two other portents: 1) Pelosi's "Impeachment is off the table" (WHAT table, Nancy?)--first words out of her mouth (weird!), and 2) I caught a C-Span radio interview of the "Blue Dogs" just after the election--Pelosi was in the studio, introducing these "Blue Dogs" to the C-Span interviewer (but didn't speak herself--it was in the nature of an endorsement, though), and what they said was this: They were for "fiscal responsibility," they said, and they wanted to cut everything in the budget EXCEPT the war spending. Must "support our troops."

Oh, brother, I thought--are we in for a "B team" disappointment, or what? I knew things were not right, early on.

But I was NOT aware of how bad it was--that this so-called 'Democratic' Congress would actually ESCALATE the war, and lard Bush and Cheney with $100 billion MORE of our non-existent tax dollars, to keep killing Iraqis until they sign over their oil rights. And THEN would IN ADDITION wipe Bush/Cheney's spying FELONY off the books, by ENDORSING domestic spying!

I tried to think positive thoughts about all three things. "Impeachment is off the table." Okay, Pelosi made a deal with Bush/Cheney: 'You don't attack Iran, we won't impeach--and get rid of Rumsfeld." Could be she secretly saved us from WW III. The ESCALATION. Okay, withdrawing troops from an illegal occupation is not cheap. Maybe they're actually ending the war. (I was ignoring all those permanent U.S. military bases--just couldn't think about them.) Then came the FISA bill.

No, actually it was HR 811--Holt's bandaid on our broken election system--that alarmed (or is it, disgusted?) me more than anything else. And finding out that Diane Feinstein heads the Senate committee that HR 811 would be filtered through. Sure enough, they threw us the sop of a "paper trail," kept the "trade secret" code and the rightwing Bushite corporate control, and went one step further: put control of the secret code in the hands of the President!

Ah, God! Please no!

No more! No more!

Or was it the fourth tours of duty I began hearing about. National Guards, Reservists, plucked from their civilian lives, and conscripted to Iraq for 12-month, 18-month tours, not just once, not just twice, not just three times, but four times over, along with all the regular military who were suffering the same fate: slave labor to corporate oil interests.

And our 'Democratic' Congress would do nothing about even this.

"Support our troops." Right.

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Okay, STOP! It's horrible, yes. It is far worse than even I expected. And how bad it is DOES have strategic implications, for the forces of democracy in the U.S.A. But what I want is to avoid piling on, regarding the disempowerment of the American majority, 70% of whom oppose this war today--and 56% of whom--a significant majority--opposed this war from the beginning (Feb. '03). 56% would be a landslide in a presidential election (and believe me, it was). 70% is a staggering, overwhelming consensus.

The demoralization, and, above all, DISEMPOWERMENT of the majority, is the real issue here. That's what all the war profiteering corporate news monopolies are about. That's what the rigged voting machines are about. They are about telling YOU that YOU are a member of a MINORITY--the opposite of the truth--and YOU have no power to stop their fascist juggernaut. It's all about demoralization.

We have to be realistic--and truthful--about how bad things are. But we also have to be careful, because the chief METHOD of this fascist coup is psychological. They can make you NOT SEE the rigged voting machines. They've done it! They can make you think that the majority is goosestepping to Bush's war, when it never was true. They can make you believe that the rightwing is ascendant in the U.S., when it clearly (if you think about it) is NOT. They can convince you that George Bush and Dick Cheney--and a whole lot of other criminals--were elected by the American people, while they're feeding all the election "results" through rightwing Bushite "trade secret" formulae, to the war consortium "news" networks, who then DOCTOR their exits polls (which said that Bush/Cheney LOST) to force them to fit the "trade secret" conclusion.

The trick is for them to make you believe it. At that, they are very successful. They cannot convince the American people that the unjust slaughter of half a million innocent Iraqis, to get their oil, is okay. But they CAN convince them that they have no power to do anything about it. That there is no turning back from rigged elections. That 70% of the American people are HELPLESS. That YOU are helpless, and unconnected to anyone else.

The Fascist Party--the Bushites combined with the "Blue Dogs" (war profiteering corporate 'Democrats')--cannot rule for long with no support. Something's gonna go boom. That's how it FEELS, anyway. Insurrection? 9/11, Part 2, and martial law?

Although the Bush Junta has been marshaling powers that scare the bejeebers out of all who are aware of them (harbinger of 9/11, Part 2?), and although there ARE rumblings of insurrection (the American people are very, VERY upset), I think it ain't gonna go that way. It ain't gonna go bad. Not in the near term. Could go bad, eventually. But not right away. Which gives us a WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY to fix this democracy.

Here's why: The Bush Junta is NOT acting like Hitler and the Nazis. It is NOT building a great war machine, with a brainwashed, hypnotized, propagandized, seig heiling population to cheer on its "victories" (invasions!). They are not convincing anyone of anything (except our helplessness). No one is cheering on their "victories." They are outsourcing our manufacturing base--and all the jobs! They are bankrupting the federal government! They are turning us INTO Germany 1929, not pulling us OUT OF Germany 1929 --why Hitler was successful, at first; overcame the Great Depression, which had hit Germany very, very hard; created jobs, full employment; put bread on the table; appealed to German pride; got the "trains running on time," etc. But what the Bushites (and their 'Democratic' collaborators) are doing is: crippling "the trains," corroding the tracks, outsourcing the train engineers to China and Mexico and India, demoralizing the work force, encouraging incompetence and inefficiency (and vast corruption), and permitting the very rich to rip off the last profits from a once-prosperous, but now crumbling, economic/social/political system.

You see any Nazi Youth parading around the streets seig heiling to Bush? What do we have to be proud of? Our bridges are literally FALLING DOWN! The place is a wreck! Our ideals, our once famous creativity and industriousness, and the very bridges we drive over, are crumbling.

This is NOT **A PLAN**. This is predatory capitalism gone absolutely apeshit crazy, with the rich looting everything in sight.

**A Plan** for the nazification of America may come out of this (--at the earliest, by 2012, I think). MEANWHILE, we have a chance to save it.

As for insurrection, the American people are slow to go that route. The closest we ever came was in the leftist/labor (and, to some extent, communist) movement in the early 20th century. But eventually a compromise was reached. Capitalism would continue WITH LABOR RIGHTS. With a fair shake for the workers.

It's a very big country, with a VERY culturally diverse population. Not easy to nazify. It's going to take more time to create the conditions in which that could happen. The PRECEDENTS are being put in place for it--a noose around our necks that is slowly squeezing. But neither the Bushites nor their 'Democratic' colluders have the political credit, the mandate or the means to control this entire country by force--or rather, it is ONLY by blunt force that they could attempt it, and they would fail, at this point. (For one thing, much of their blunt force is in Iraq!)

A window of opportunity. What should we do with it?

POWER, my friends. This is the issue. What is our power?

Our right to vote.

How have they taken it away?

By rigged voting machines. (Also, vote suppression, but it is the HIDDEN power of "trade secret" vote counting that is the one that is most lethal.)

How do we get it back? (Congress ain't gonna do it.)

By forcing LOCAL and STATE election officials out office if they won't count our votes in a way that everyone can see and understand. Pressure. Agitation. Forget picketing your Congress member. Picket your country registrar, who lives right down the street. THAT is the person who is materially blockading reform. THAT is who sold your right to vote to Bushite corporations with their secret code.

Ordinary people still have some influence at the state/local level. That is beginning to be evident all over the country, on the election reform issue. Witness what is going on in California--a tremendous and powerful grass roots movement resulted in the voters OUTVOTING THE MACHINES, and electing Debra Bowen Secretary of State, against monumental odds. And she is now "kicking ass and taking names," as DUers are fond of saying. (See Andrew Gumbel's new article in L.A. CityBeat: http://www.lacitybeat.com/article.php?id=5959&IssueNum=218.)

It's happening.

We just have to rally TO it, back her up and help spread election reform everywhere--support it, where it's happening, and make it happen, where it isn't yet off the ground.

This is our POWER. This should be our strategy. I think it should be our entire focus. Because we can't do ANYTHING without the power of our votes to hold over our representatives' heads. Reform is impossible, overall--in congress and the presidency--if they can tweak two elections for every one in which we outvote the machines. We can't get traction, nationally. We'll continue to have this lopsided situation, with the vast majority--70% of the American people opposed to the war--being REVERSED in Washington DC.

And this is, and must be, a LONG TERM battle. We're very likely going to get a War/Corporate 'Democrat' imposed on us next year, as 'our' candidate, and likely as president. There is not much we can do about that. The fascists will go all out to achieve it. But how do we use the "window of opportunity,' before full nazification can occur, to RE-EMPOWER the great, peace-loving, justice-loving American majority, IN THE MEANTIME?

How do we pull back from insurrection? How do we pull back from nazification? How do we RESTORE democracy? How do we restore the "rule of law"? How do we rescue our failing economy--not to mention our failing planetary environment--from disaster?

What is our chief power as a people--and very nearly the definition of our sovereignty as a people? Voting! And so, we MUST restore transparent vote counting. And I think we CAN do this by 2012, through good grass roots organization and strong pressure on election officials at the state/local level.

And, once we have restored transparent vote counting, the OTHER reforms--in every aspect of our government, economy and political life--are going to make your heads spin. We are going to be amazed at what the American people can do, when their votes are counted.

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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:40 AM
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46. Good post, imho.
While we might quibble regarding proportions, I doubt there're many who'd not agree with the array of issues presented. As an independent liberal, I never attended the Pep Rally ... nor the post-election "let's get drunk and screw" fest.

I see zealous partisans equating "let's improve the candidates" with Democrat-bashing. I have no idea how any party can improve from within when the partisans can't even agree on what "improvement" might mean. While I sometimes hear folks acknowledge that they prefer Democratic candidates because they're far more attuned to listening to the electorate and responding, I hear far more condemnation of those who'd actually attempt to take advantage of that responsiveness. Thus, the very claim of responsive candidates is more than nullified by condemning it.

Partisanship sure seems to present itself in some strange ways. :shrug:

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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 07:06 AM
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43. Yeah. Well. I guess we could've lost... - n/t
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 06:28 PM
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55. Did you miss the word "AFTER" in the OM Subject line?
:shrug:
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 07:35 AM
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56. Nope. But somebody missed something. - n/t
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 07:13 AM
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44. It's been a steady march forward for the bush administration.
There has been a few minor decorations, but on constitutional law and matters of war, they haven't slowed. The executive branch has the legislative branch marching in tandem. The House victory (where dems could make a big difference) has meant little in the final analysis.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 07:20 AM
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45. Just As I Feared/Expected
With virtually no majority in the Senate and having been out of power for 12 years in the House, I didn't expect the mountains moved here so many other did. I knew better. Also, as long as they didn't control the Executive, I expected this regime to put up a stonewall at every corner...to this, I wasn't let down one bit.

On the day after the '06 elections I was glad of two things. First was that Democrats would be setting the agendas in the House (the Senate still wasn't decided) and at least there was a step back from the deep hole the Democrats had gotten themselves into...a place to start the comeback from...and I knew it would take time for Democrats in the House to get their footing. Am I satisfied with how they've done recently, no? But did I expect major changes? I'd be a fool to have such high expectations...instead I would rather be pleasantly surprised.

Also I expected the corporate media to be our worst enemy...spreading rumors, memes and throwing other strawmen and "conventional wisdom" in the way of how "weak" Democrats are or how unorganized or radical or whatever adjective you want to throw in there...and it appears some here have played right into that game.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 11:18 AM
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47. Dems have fought back. They are dealing with manipulative monsters
though. But look at the polls. Dems are doing the best they can.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 11:23 AM
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48. I posted this in October 2006...
OK follow me here:

First, this will be many, many folk's first election with HAVA's new electronic voting machines. A Republican win would turn the now growing Paper Ballot movement into an unstoppable beast. But if there's a big Democratic win, the Election Reform movement will fade and these machines will be cemented in place for a whole generation.

Next, we have Iran. The troops are stretched so thin that a move on Iran will require a draft. Even with a new terror attack I think Bush and an All-Republican congress will have a hard time getting the kind of support they will need. But if a new conscription law were passed by a Democratic congress in response to a terror attack....

So perhaps it's been decided that this is the year to give one to the suckers.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 11:25 AM
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49. Yep.
I do.

Nominated.
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Batgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 06:09 PM
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54. I'm actually feeling more hopeful now, (or maybe less hopeless)
due to a constitutional inability to believe in magic fairytale endings.
I never had the euphoric sense that the aftermath of that election would eventually be summed up "and they all lived happily ever after."

My feeling was more like -- good, now at least there's an opportunity to start to fix things.

The current turmoil and disappointing performance of some of our reps --the necessity of riding their asses to try to make sure they do their jobs, or be replaced by someone who will -- is much more aligned with my anxiety-riddled "comfort" zone.
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