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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 08:19 AM
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Henry Waxman finally speaks out on Sibel Edmonds Case!
Edited on Thu Aug-09-07 08:32 AM by lukery
For months we have been trying to get Henry Waxman to hold hearings into the case of former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds but we have been met with a stony silence.

Until now!

The Hollywood Liberal snagged an interview with Henry Waxman and asked about Sibel's case.

The full interview is 25 mins long. I've posted the relevant 3-minute audio snippet here

Transcript:

Hollywood Liberal: From what I understand Ms. Edmonds was a translator and an FBI whistleblower and uncovered a case that involved The American Turkish Council who is Turkey’s main lobbying group in the US. Turkey receives Billions of dollars in aid from the US. The case involves vast corruption at the State Department including drug running, trading state secrets, arms trading, and the trading of Nuclear information and implicates, according to Ms. Edmonds, Neocons like Douglas Feith, Richard Perle, and Dennis Hastert, The ATC, AIPAC, and Democratic and Republican congressmen. From what I understand you promised to hold hearings into this matter, those hearings have not happened. Will they? And if not why not?

Henry Waxman: Wow! (laughs) That's one hell of a conspiracy theory you've got there. Can you please slow down a bit and repeat that? (laughs) I think, if I heard you correctly, you just said that Perle, Feith, Hastert and AIPAC are involved in, what did you say? Drug running, arms trading and the nuclear black market market (laughs)? Well, if you and/or Sibel have any evidence of this I'd sure like to hear about it!!! That certainly sounds like a job for the Government Reform and Oversight Committee! If you can provide me with any witnesses or documents or anything, we'll have the hearings as soon as possible! If what you say is true, then these people should be held accountable! This sounds like treason!


Actually, that exchange didn't really happen. I fabricated Waxman's entire response. The fictional response would have been appropriate though, don't you think? But that's not how he responded.

Here is the actual exchange:
Hollywood Liberal: From what I understand Ms. Edmonds was a translator and an FBI whistleblower and uncovered a case that involved The American Turkish Council who is Turkey’s main lobbying group in the US. Turkey receives Billions of dollars in aid from the US. The case involves vast corruption at the State Department including drug running, trading state secrets, arms trading, and the trading of Nuclear information and implicates, according to Ms. Edmonds, Neocons like Douglas Feith, Richard Perle, and Dennis Hastert, The ATC, AIPAC, and Democratic and Republican congressmen. From what I understand you promised to hold hearings into this matter, those hearings have not happened. Will they? And if not why not?

Henry Waxman: I don’t recall that I ever said that I was going to hold hearings on her specific case.... But I really don’t particularly have a comment on her case.

Hollywood Liberal: Would you consider holding hearings on what she has to say based on the fact that she was with the State Department, or the FBI, pretty high up, pretty credible witness.

Henry Waxman: I know my staff has been in touch with her case, and maybe with her, and her supporters. I don’t want to say at this point that we are going to hold a hearing on her specific issue. There are lots and lots of matters to pursue for matters of investigation of oversight. And we are working as hard as we can. We’ll look at in the context of all the other issues we want to pursue.


For the record, as an aside, immediately prior to Waxman saying 'I don't recall,' this exchange took place:

Hollywood Liberal: And there seems to be a lot of this “I don’t recall” going on with members of the Bush Administration isn’t there?

Henry Waxman: Absolutely Alberto Gonzalez is the best example of a man who uses that exact excuse over and over again."


Heh.

I've put together a youtube video with some of Sibel's substantive comments, with Waxman's weasely statements juxtaposed against Alberto Gonzales' recent 'I don't recall' testimony. Is it a cheap shot? Maybe. Maybe not. I'm furious, disgusted, and don't care at this point.

But consider my fictitious, hypothetical response that Waxman could have delivered, and compare it with his actual response. The dog didn't bark.

The YouTube video is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZIji9d2rrI

Here are Sibel's extended comments that I used in the video:
Some respected, great Representatives, Democratic Congressmen, have expressed interest in my case. The leader of that group was Congressman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), and I briefed his staff several times, by giving them the same details I gave five years ago to the Judiciary Committee. They obtained the classified version of the Inspector General’s report two years ago and they were outraged. I have several letters from Congressman Waxman saying he finds these actions against me and these gag orders stunning and that he would hold hearings into my case if it wasn't for the Republicans preventing a hearing from taking place on my case.

Well, in January, after we went through the change , Congressman Waxman is now Chairman Waxman and there is no power within Congress that can prevent him from holding this hearing. He has the jurisdiction, the authority to put the hearing there, and I have already obtained the consent and names of conscientious, good agents. One of them was the head of the Turkish counter-intelligence operations who actually retired two years ago. They’re all willing to come forward and testify on all the issues I have been gagged on. And that gag doesn’t work in Congress during a hearing.

So in January, after the election results, especially since we have such a great Chairman today, 30 organizations have put together this petition addressed to Chairman Waxman saying you have been promising us for the past five years. These are major organizations, and we call them transpartisan, because there are organizations from the right, organizations from the left, organizations that are whistleblower-related such as the Project on Government Oversight (POGO), the Government Accountability Project (GAP), the National Whistleblower Center, human rights organizations, the National Coalition Against Censorship (NCAC), civil liberties-related organizations such as the American Civil Liberties union (ACLU). We have 30 solid organizations that came together and put together this petition, addressed to Chairman Waxman, saying 'You have been promising us for the past five years.'

According to the ACLU, there has been no case of an American citizen who has had so many gag orders issued on her.

We also had 15,000 citizens sign the petition, and we had these 30 organizations, and they delivered it to Chairman Waxman’s office in March 2007, just over a month ago. And based on the office’s own report, tens of thousands of people in the past 3-4 weeks have called to say, well, when are you going to hold a hearing?

But we have received no response and we don’t know why. None of these organizations know why, because Waxman's office has all the facts, they have all the confirmation, they have the IG report, they have the executive branch’s own report saying she’s credible and her allegations have been supported by other witnesses and documents. We are not talking about allegations. We are talking about facts, documented and witnessed facts.

And I still believe that the Americans who care about their rights, their country, can make this happen. Maybe it hasn’t happened because one of the factors that is not present there is the mainstream media. We know the mainstream media has such influence over the Congress, whatever makes the headlines. If issue ABC is in the headlines right now, I Congresswoman, Congressman am going to hold a hearing and get facetime and media time and attention - sometimes for good reasons, I'm not saying for negative reasons, but media has not paid attention.

Maybe Congress is not finding it worthy of their attention despite all these severe consequences because the media isn’t there.

The citizens can change this, the constituents of Chairman Henry Waxman in California, in the LA area, can change that. They can say, you represent us, you represent our interests, and you are the chairman of the Government Reform Committee. Government Reform. Well, this is about bringing reform into Government, this is about reforming the wrongdoings in our government, and the price is being paid by every citizen.

So after not hearing back from Chairman Waxman through this petition and 30 organizations, I’m trying to reach out to those constituents in California, I’m trying to reach out to all citizens in this country and say, forget about me, this is not about Sibel Edmonds. Let’s go to the core issues: What was it that I reported that caused all these gag orders and firings and threats? What was it? What I reported had nothing to do with me. It had to do with the interests of the American public being stomped upon. It had to do with those who have been elected and given authority betraying the citizens. It had to do with those people who are using their positions in the executive branch agencies to obtain lucrative early retirement positions afterwards as representatives of foreign interests, and not afterwards - and this is very important: In order to obtain it afterwards they had to serve those foreign interests while they were working and had those positions. That's how they earn those future positions, that's how it happens. In every single one of them, that’s how it happens. You start serving the interests of outside foreign influences before you obtain your positions afterwards and say bye to your civil service career. And that is, especially in some cases, criminal. That is not something that should be tolerated by this country, and we need to set an example of those people.

We have the facts, we have the documents, we have the witnesses, and it’s time to do it. So stand up and call Chairman Waxman’s office, keep calling until you get an answer on when the hearing will take place. For each citizen it may cost four minutes. But the benefit to this country, and the number of issues that we are going to shed light on, is way worth it. And if it was not, they would not have gone this far to gag it. I have been fighting very hard, but you need to pay attention to the fact they have been fighting very hard, too.

This is unprecedented. If I am the most gagged woman in the history of this country, and if they have gone as far as invoking the States Secrets Privilege, the issue is important enough. So for anyone who may say, well, how do I know this case is credible? I’ll tell you that there is a report, there are statements from bipartisan senators, Senator Grassley, Senator Leahy, Congressman Waxman. And these are all on the record statements establishing the credibility of the case. The credibility has been established. The importance of this case has been established. Our government has taken unprecedented steps to silence and coverup this case. That should tell the American public how important this case is.

Call Chairman Waxman and write to him and do not stop until we have this hearing in place, and we have the agents testifying. I’m going to emphasize two things here: a) that they testify on oath, and b) that the hearings be public. I have had some hearings, and they have been behind closed doors in the Congress. I have briefed them. They already have this information, that's the point I'm trying to make here. They have the information. I have given this information to Chairman Waxman, to Senator Grassley, to Senator Leahy. It’s the American public’s turn to hear about this.

It’s possible that in light of the Chairman’s decision to hold a hearing, the government comes in and says it has to be in closed session and not in public because these are classified issues. But they’re not. If that happens, we won’t get anywhere because then it’s futile. I would not even be willing to testify because I have already done so. Five years ago I gave them testimony behind closed doors. So did other witnesses. It’s time to have open, public hearings and have people under oath. I will testify under oath, and the consequences of lying are severe.

So let’s make this happen, and let’s say that when all channels we rely upon — be it the courts and the Congress and the executive branch and the mainstream media — fail us, we still should move forward and not stop, and reach out to the American public, and make it happen. I hope we can do it, because not being able to do it sends a very bad, awful message to our children and our grandchildren, to say that active citizenry is dead in this country, and that either nothing comes out of it, or people don't care and don't do it.

We take pride in being Americans, and lovers and supporters of freedom - let's show that we can do it despite the fact that we don't have these four channels.

There is Chairman Waxman, an honourable individual, an established case, now we just need the public to say "Let's do it"


<<s>Call Embarrass Waxman. Demand public open hearings:
DC phone: (202) 225-3976
LA phone: 323 651-1040
Capitol switchboard phone: 800-828-0498

(let me know if you want to be added to my email list for new Sibel-related post. Subject: 'Sibel email list.')

(see also Phil Giraldi's "Waxman’s Witness Protection Program")

x-posted at Let Sibel Edmonds Speak

DiggIt here
http://digg.com/submit?phase=2&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthestressblog.com%2F2007%2F08%2F09%2Fhenry-waxman-finally-speaks-out-on-sibel-edmonds-case%2F
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 08:26 AM
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1. Rec.
Edited on Thu Aug-09-07 08:27 AM by Dhalgren
Who is being protected here, and why? Why would the Democrats in congress not want to jump on this with both feet? Ms Edmonds holds keys to the kingdom and the Democrats are scared shitless - why?
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 08:32 AM
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2. Probably some of the people involved are well entrenched
in the power elite.
When Congress held hearings in 1934 on the attempted overthrow of FDR - based on the testimony of retired U.S.M.C. General Smedley Butler - they concluded that the allegations were true - redacted all the names from their report and NEVER prosecuted anyone over it. The people involved were simply to powerful to mess with.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 08:40 AM
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3. Perhaps Democrats in Congress do not believe that she is a credible witness
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:00 AM
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8. actually
they know she is credible - that's the problem.

they all know what is in those OFFICIAL reports - that's why they are scared. it's not just repugs in this case.

it's not about her being 'credible' or not - it has all been validated, independently.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:46 AM
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20. Validated by whom?
:shrug:
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #20
21. DoJ IG, Congress
the investigations were completed years ago.

the FBI investigated and found her claims valid. Congress has read the reports, interviewed witnesses

as sibel says 'these arent allegations at this point, we are talking about facts'
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 11:05 AM
Response to Reply #21
26. When did Congress 'validate' these reports?
When was the vote taken?
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 11:19 AM
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28. 60 Minutes did a very thorough expose on this.
I don't know the answer to your specific question, but the general consensus is that she is quite credible. Think about it...Otherwise, there would clearly be no reason to gag her.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 11:26 AM
Response to Reply #26
29. in 2002
i say 'congress' - i mean the senate intelligence committee and the senate judicary - for starters
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:32 PM
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41. A good way to see if she is a credible witness is hold a hearing and ask her questions.
Short of some sort of proof that she is unethical or unreliable, we need to hear what she has to say. Even in the face of any such accusations, she needs to be heard!

In the same vein, failing to impeach (which is a procedure in which evidence is produced, witnesses are questioned) because we don't know in advance that we have the votes (and we don't know for sure that we don't, either), is a coward's device.

I'm afraid, sincerely, that the Dems are going to "oversight" us right into November 2008, with a smug assumption that they can't lose. Showing some character back here in 2007 would do a lot to keep the choir from fleeing the church.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 08:43 AM
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4. OK, let's do it. - n/t
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 11:17 AM
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27. self-delete. Posted in the wrong place.
Edited on Thu Aug-09-07 11:18 AM by whereismyparty
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 08:50 AM
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5. well....what can one say about this...
in the context of the FISA bill and Waxman agreeing to interview Rove in private with no transcript, no oath and his full group of lawyers present.

I guess quite a bit has been "called off" that may involve powerful people.

Thanks for reporting what happened. Things are not looking good for investigation, these days.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 08:51 AM
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6. K&R
:kick:
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 08:59 AM
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7. K & R
Is this Waxman's response to a hearing demanded of him by 30+ bipartisan organizations and more than 15,000 signatories? It shows why the confidence in our congress has plunged to less than 20%. It shows why our most serious issues go beyond the ridiculous partisanship; none of them addressed by neither Democrats nor Republicans. They have limited their shows & barking to a few partisan issues, aiming for media face-time, and when it comes to action...well, there's none.

...and remember Pelosi is his boss;-)

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:02 AM
Original message
Dupe. Sorry
Edited on Thu Aug-09-07 09:03 AM by mmonk
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:02 AM
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9. Any "I don't recall" will not work in regards to Waxman.
Many of us have made sure of that.
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StateSecrets Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:09 AM
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10. His Promises
Let's see...They (him & his committee)also promised hearings for Russ Tice (NSA case), Sandy Gonzalez (DEA Case; House of Death), Bunny Greenhouse (DOD; contracyt case/Haliburton);a group of TSA whistleblowers,VA Doctors (VAWBC)...

Yah right!!!!
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:12 AM
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12. They hope whistleblowers will disppear into the wood work.
We must keep the pressure on and keep them uncomfortable.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 05:49 AM
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52. Whistleblowers can disappear in any number of ways...
Edited on Fri Aug-10-07 05:49 AM by Mr_Jefferson_24
...you may recall the case of Karen Silkwood:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_Silkwood
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 10:18 AM
Response to Reply #10
23. just give him time!
as he says in the interview, he has 'lots&lots' to do!
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:10 AM
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11. this is the first time he has gone on record
after 5 months - this was the best he could do.

i'm furious.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:16 AM
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13. That fury needs to stay and continue to be channeled.
I'm sure you'll keep putting it to good use.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #13
14. lol - i'm sure i'll just keep doing more of the same
until i find a better plan/strategy (hopefully with your help!)
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:22 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. I have been in business most of my adult life.
I noticed different methods of packaging or the package itself can induce a response. I'll email you sometime next week with ideas and see what you think.
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:27 AM
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17. please
i know we've been unsuccessful so far - and i take responsibility for that.

i'll try anything new. i look fwd to hearing your ideas.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:37 AM
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19. Waxman and others are responsible for it being unsuccessful so far.
I will email and go by what you think.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 03:59 PM
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32. Damn it, Lukery. You have been front and center with this issue.
You HAVE NOT been unsuccessful!!! Do you realize how many people you have educated by your relentless pursuit of the truth?

You inspire me. Your unwavering determination to get the truth out and your commitment to truth and justice is behavior befitting a true patriot. From the bottom of my heart, I thank you for that.

You never give up. WE won't give up, either. It is OUR responsibility, as citizens of this country, to continue shining a bright light on these criminals until they are exposed as the treasonous traitors that they are. It's not just YOUR responsibility, my friend. It's up to all of us. Thank you for your strength, determination and leadership! :patriot:
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file83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 08:39 PM
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39. I'll second that! Lukery is the resident Sibel Edmonds expert here at DU.
The awareness raised by lukery on S.E. is massive.
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lazyriver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:27 AM
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16. Yeah, Gonzo answers to months old questions...
He should be ashamed of himself. I'll be calling his office again today just to offer the Gonzo comparison.

Executive privilege wouldn't apply to this case, there seem to be a number of willing and credible witnesses ready to testify under oath, and I'm sure there is much more evidence most of us have not heard about to date. I keep wondering why he chooses to avoid such a slam dunk of a case and can only come up with three possible conclusions:

1) Strategy - He's waiting until closer to the 2008 elections to throw fresh scandal fuel on the burning pyre that is the republican party in hopes of picking up more Congressional seats.

2) Fear - The people involved are too powerful (and too evil) to prosecute successfully and without severe retribution (think Kennedy assassinations and mob boss trials).

3) Shame - He found out some key Democrats were involved and doesn't want to expose them for fear of damage to the party.

I guess I could understand why reason one might apply though I wouldn't follow such a strategy. Reason two seems quite plausible to me given the criminal history of this administration. Reason three would destroy my faith in Waxman, Congress, the Democrats and pretty much America in general. I hope it's not reason three.
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Spurt Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:29 AM
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18. K&R
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 10:05 AM
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22. A chance to kick this and ask DU'ers a question.
Who owns the LA Times now?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 10:57 AM
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24. Tribune
"Tribune owns the Chicago Tribune, the Los Angeles Times and nine other daily newspapers, as well as 23 TV stations and the Chicago Cubs baseball team."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/29/business/main2627149.shtml
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 10:59 AM
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25. Thanks
I knew they had been bought, just not who.
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 04:04 PM
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33. Check this out.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 10:35 PM
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46. Interesting.
Does the Times have any competition in that market?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 11:52 AM
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30. in orange
i think i forget to link this
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/9/9176/77809

there's a great conversation over at dkos - and we are on the front page
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:28 PM
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31. K&R
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 05:49 PM
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34. Why embarrass Waxman! You are asking the members of the Senate and the Congress
to demonstrate the gifts of a Fidel Castro or a Ugo Chavez. They were every bit as justified in wresting the power vested in the plutocracies of their country on behalf of their peoples. It's simply that the MSM make them sound like adventurers, brigands even. I believe in the case of Cuba, less well-heeled people suffered unduly with the new regime, and that is certainly unfortunate. Nevertheless, their regimes have been an inspiration to much of humanity; and evidently an eye-opener to Pope John Paul II, just as the sickeningly predatory of runaway, robber-baron capitalism evidently was to him.

But the fact is that there are very few politicians who would behave in such an impolitic and direct manner. And perhaps even fewer were who could pull it off.

Of course, your country probably has more 'checks and balances' than many other otherwise advanced countries, such as the UK, but your political system, like all political systems and all legals systems, in which of course many, if not indeed most politicians are trained, is a human construct; and as such, can, at least in principle, be deconstructed just as readily as it was created. Indeed, we have been witnessing the most extraordinary inroads being made into both systems in the US, political and legal, by these Republicans.

So Justice is not really justice in the sense in which we normally understand the word. It is a mechanism for bringing about just such a modicum of natural justice as will serve to keep a society more or less stable - though only insofar as that furthers the interests of the people at the top.

If definitively neutralising the DLC is such a difficult obstacle to negotiate for the Kuchinich-Edwards mainstream, surely you can all see that bringing to heel the shadowy financiers of the far right, the military-industrial complex, together with all its mole-ridden bureacracies, such as the FBI, Pentagon, etc., and now swathes of the judiciary, is not something that can be achieved in a straightforward linear way, invoking phrases, such as "we the people", however justified it is in principle. I don't think Ugo or Fidel would have tried to, either. Che Guevara might have. I don't doubt that a major civil conflict would see you triumph eventually, perhaps fairly soon, but who could know at what cost? It might get very very ugly for many people more people than are suffering at present, before it succeeded.

The fact is, imo, that your politicians of integrity are working from the outer edges inwards, in the normal incremental way that the law works - though doubtless sensing the urgency as keenly as the rest of us - just as the Prosecutors, such Fitz, had to.

Fortunately, they have more power vested in their political office than even the most distinguished Prosecutor, whose services of course, nevertheless provide many of the building blocks that the politicians need.

Unlike the French, the Scandinavians and, in morer recent times, the Germans, with only brief interludes, we in the UK and you in the US have a long history of being led by the nose by our politicians. And expecting to buck the now thoroughly entrenched forces of darkness head-on should not, imo, be seen as a wise way of proceeding.

Sure, give the politicians hell. Keep them honest all the time. But also consider that they may be more apt at understanding how to go about successfully dealing with this anti-democratic leviathan in high places, currently digging their heels in.












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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 05:57 PM
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35. One suggestion....put Sibel's closing statements somewhere to the top
in this excellent video. For Folks out there who don't remember Sibel's Case (and let's face it many folks have come over to the Dem side since Sibel started out) ...I think that the "VERIFICATION" for her statements get's lost...(Like ACLU, etc.) in the closing statement by her.

I think for NEWBIE viewers you need to give more of her "Creds Up Front" in the video to engage the viewer who doesn't know her from a door post...and make her more of the VICTIM she IS!

Also, some "snips" from that great Vanity Fair article at the Beginning would set the piece up so that one can be "outraged" when they see what's happened to her. Sibel is like Valerie Plame but without a Joe Wilson to keep on her case. So Sibel needs all the FRONT CREDS to engage NEWBIES into what this is all about.

Just a suggestion...though... I thought that Film was great and so was the editing. It's amazing what can be done to engage viewers by folks who are dedicated like you and all who have been hoping Sibel will FINALLY GET HER HEARING! And...planning for what happens if she gets her HEARING and nothing moves forward after that. What's the NEXT STEP? But, engaging more folks into Sibel's cause would seem to be very important for "follow up" if they "hear her" but DO NOTHING...like what's happened to all their hearings.

:hi:
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:01 PM
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40. thanks for the suggestion
the video wasn't supposed to be an overall summary of the case - it was just something that i put together yesterday

more of my videos on this are at http://www.youtube.com/user/lukery2
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 05:59 PM
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36. These DC types don't know much about much at all, it seems. n/t
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jazzjunkysue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 07:34 PM
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37. They're all involved in the cover up. Period. n/t.
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bjobotts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 07:38 PM
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38. Is she allowed to publish her story anyway out side of America?
Or would she be arrested? Does her gag order mean she is not to talk about it at all? Without asking for hearings, can she just ask to have the gag order removed? It seems an admission of guilt and complicity to refuse hearings into the matter since such pains were taken to suppress her story. But who can do anything about it if our elected officials won't?
After all this time and attention why is Waxman acting like he's barely familiar with the case. Are you kidding?....Waxman?...I'm sure he already knows most of what there is to know about it and has been briefed a number of times, especially since Ashcroft made such extreme attempts to bury it. Something's wrong here because you know Waxman has gotta' know already. From his "answer" it sounds like he's just not ready to take it on yet or anytime soon because it will take all his time and energy to deal with what will come from it......can we say anthrax???
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 10:32 PM
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45. She's coming out with a book in spring of 08 I believe.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 09:36 PM
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42. I would really, really, REALLY like to know what's going on behind the Dem stonewalling.
:cry:

Thanks for posting this, lukery, even if it *does* hurt.

Good job! :applause:
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 11:27 PM
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48. That's the million dollar question, isn't it?
I really want to know who is calling the shots. Who the heck is?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 01:23 AM
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49. by all acounts
it's the aipac/atc crew who are directing traffic in this case.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 02:08 PM
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54. Yes. Follow the money.
The trail is everywhere.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 04:11 PM
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55. We, The People deserve to know!
First, I'm not so sure what percentage of the population really cares.

Second, it's going to be hell to reclaim our country, once we KNOW what's happening.

I hate it when my thoughts go down this road......

But, ultimately, it's up to us.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 10:11 PM
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43. yeah, well--didn't he recently he never heard of inherent contempt either?
ugh.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 10:25 PM
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44. Is Henry too busy?
Poor man he must be exhausted! But the Sibel case is very important so someone on the Dem side is trying to stop an investigation? Perhaps it's because of Judge Walton's ruling?
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lukery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 11:15 PM
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47. he is too busy
he is too busy ignoring sibel (not to mention the other whsitleblowers like russ tice and sandy gonzales etc)
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 05:47 AM
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50. self-delete
Edited on Fri Aug-10-07 05:48 AM by Ken Burch
duplicate post.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 05:47 AM
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51. If Waxman had any guts, he'd do what Gravel did with the Pentagon Papers
Put Sibel's information into the Congressional Record. Then, it could no longer be suppressed.

There's no reason for Waxman not to do it.
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Mr_Jefferson_24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 05:58 AM
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53. Suppressing the truth on this one appears to be very important to AIPAC...
...If Henry crosses them he'll be targeted and he knows it -- AIPAC strikes fear into virtually all House members. Most of those who don't/didn't fear, and toe the line for, them are former House members.

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