About the 190,000 missing guns in Iraq

[underpants]

What is the most likely truth on this

[krispos42]

1. The DoD has no serial numbers

supposidly... sounds like they only existed for billing purposes.




If not, then aren't we arming insurgents? Are we going to invade ourselves?

[dorkulon]

2. My question is, why AKs and not American guns?

AKs are Russian, are they not? Where'd we get all them commie guns? And why? Could it be because they knew some guns would find their way into insurgents' hands, and it wouldn't look good for our troops to be getting shot with M-16s?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

6. the AK can fall in mud, dust, sand, water, blood,

and it still fires. The M-16 requires care, training and cleaning. Not so the AK.

actually, the AK is licensed to be built in China, Russia, Latvia, Bulgaria, Israel, Thailand, Korea, Romania, and a handful of African nations. The ammo is readily available everywhere. What it lacks in superb accuracy, it makes up with a spray of bullets. and actually, in the right hands, its accuracy is not all that bad.


I chose other. Some of it was handed over to Iraqi soldiers who promptly defected and became armed insurgents. Others were sold for food and water, or kidnapped relatives. Still others were stolen by US contractors for $$ or resale.

You know who was in charge of this program when they lost all these arms? Petreous. The same guy who walks on water and whose farts don't smell.

[dorkulon]

8. The fact is, these soldiers are looking for a paycheck.

They're not expressing some great allegiance with the USA; they need money to feed their families. They don't "defect" to the insurgency; they're US-soldiers by day and insurgents by night, and if they can run some guns on the side, or just take 'em home, they will. The missing factor in all these discussions is the extent of the poverty--everyone is struggling to get food, water, basic necessities for their families. Many will work for whoever will pay--US, al Qaeda, the Baathists, Moqtada, whoever.

On the other hand, the missing guns could have gone to arm a black ops mission elsewhere--like the missing 12 billion dollars.

[benEzra]

11. The Iraqi army is already trained on AK's

and AK's are a lot easier to maintain under dusty conditions, and cost probably 1/4 as much as an M16. The AK's we supplied were made in Poland, IIRC, and are easily identifiable as such if they are found (most AK's indigenous to Iraq are non-Polish).

[dorkulon]

12. I forgot Poland!

:dunce:

Thanks for the info.

[Junkdrawer]

3. Fueling the civil war...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1503947

[ChairmanAgnostic]

7. even worse,

30 Bill in arms to Egyot
10 bill. to Pakistan
20 bil. to Israel.

a total of 96 billion in arms to be sent to that region. Kind of like pouring gas to put out a fire, eh?

[dorkulon]

9. Hey, as long as the gas station gets paid, right? /nt

[0007]

4. Things will get worse and this gun thing is probably only the prelude

to our big one being out sourced or expropriated to a company like BlackWater.

[Donnachaidh]

5. Either side could have had them *cough* fall off the back of a truck

It doesn't necessarily need to be the Iraqis.

Haven't we been enlisting lots of people with *questionable* backgrounds? And although no one likes to admit it, even the guys with no criminal background could be doing some *entrepreneurial sales* with guns.

[underpants]

10. Sleep Well

U.S. is recruiting misfits for army
Felons, racists, gang members fill in the ranks

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/10/01/ING42LCIGK1.DTL
Last month, the Sun-Times reported that a gang member facing federal charges of murder and robbery enlisted in the Marine Corps "while he was free on bond -- and was preparing to ship out to boot camp when Marine officials recently discovered he was under indictment." While this recruit was eventually booted from the Corps, a Milwaukee police detective and Army veteran, who serves on the federal drug and gang task force that arrested the would-be Marine, noted that other "gang-bangers are going over to Iraq and sending weapons back ... gang members are getting access to military training and weapons."