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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 10:51 AM
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Taking time to remember those killed/harmed in Nagasaki 62 yrs ago
Not talking right or wrong, just remembering those hurt or killed by The Fat Man. I read "Hiroshima" when I was in jr high school and it made a powerful impression upon me. I am working to try to keep this from happening again, and I think of you who died or were injured and, regardless of right or wrong, am very sorry that this happened to you.

Peace.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 10:51 AM
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 10:54 AM
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2. That was a wonderfully kind post.
Many people still are wounded, physically and emotionally, from that.

It was lovely of you to post that.

Thank you.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 10:59 AM
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3. The New York Times headlines 62 years ago
<snip to text of article>

Atom Bomb Loosed on Nagasaki

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2d Big Aerial Blow
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Japanese Port Is Target in Devastating New Midday Assault
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Result Called Good
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Foe Asserts Hiroshima Toll Is 'Uncountable' -- Assails 'Atrocity'
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By W. H. LAWRENCE
Wireless to THE NEW YORK TIMES

Guam, Thursday, Aug. 9 -- Gen. Carl A. Spaatz announced today that a second atomic bomb had been dropped, this time on the city of Nagasaki, and that crew members reported "good results."

The second use of the new and terrifying secret weapon which wiped out more than 60 percent of the city of Hiroshima and, according to the Japanese radio, killed nearly every resident of that town, occurred at noon today, Japanese time. The target today was an important industrial and shipping area with a population of about 258,000.

The great bomb, which harnesses the power of the universe to destroy the enemy by concussion, blast and fire, was dropped on the second enemy city about seven hours after the Japanese had received a political "roundhouse punch" in the form of a declaration of war by the Soviet Union.

Vital Transshipment Point

Guam, Thursday, Aug. 9 (AP) -- Nagasaki is vitally important as a port for transshipment of military supplies and the embarkation of troops in support of Japan's operations in China, Formosa, Southeast Asia, and the Southwest Pacific. It was highly important as a major shipbuilding and repair center for both naval and merchantmen.

The city also included industrial suburbs of Inase and Akunoura on the western side of the harbor, and Urakami. The combined area is nearly double Hiroshima's.

Nagasaki, although only two-thirds as large as Hiroshima in population, is considered more important industrially. With a population now estimated at 258,000, its twelve square miles are jam-packed with the eave-to-eave buildings that won it the name of "sea of roofs."

General Spaatz's communique reporting the bombing did not say whether one or more than one "mighty atom" was dropped.

Hiroshima a 'City of Dead'

The Tokyo radio yesterday described Hiroshima as a city of ruins and dead "too numerous to be counted," and put forth the claim that the use of the atomic bomb was a violation of international law.

The broadcast, made in French and directed to Europe, came several hours after Tokyo had directed a report to the Western Hemisphere for consumption in America asserting that "practically all living things, human and animal, were literally seared to death" Monday, when the single bomb was dropped on the southern Honshu city.

The two broadcasts, recorded by the Federal Communications Commission, stressed the terrible effect of the bomb on life and property.

European listeners were told that "as a consequence of the use of the new bomb against the town of Hiroshima on Aug. 6, most of the town has been completely destroyed and there are numerous dead and wounded among the population."

The United States Strategic Air Forces reported yesterday that 60 per cent of the city had been destroyed.]

"The destructive power of these bomb is indescribable," the broadcast continued, "and the cruel sight resulting from the attack is so impressive that one cannot distinguish between men and women killed by the fire. The corpses are too numerous to be counted.

"The destructive power of this new bombs spreads over a large area. People who were outdoors at the time of the explosion were burned alive by high temperature while those who were indoors were crushed by falling buildings."

Authorities still were "unable to obtain a definite check-up on the extent of the casualties" and "authorities were having their hands full in giving every available relief possible under the circumstances," the broadcast continued.

In the destruction of property even emergency medical facilities were burned out, Tokyo said, and relief squads were rushed into the area from all surrounding districts.

The Tokyo radio also reported that the Asahi Shimbun had made "a strong editorial appeal" to the people of Japan to remain calm in facing the use of the new type of bomb and renew pledges to continue to fight.



A Propaganda Front

Voice broadcasts and wireless transmissions aimed at North America and Europe during the day apparently were trying to establish a propaganda point that the bombings should be stopped.

For example, a Tokyo English language broadcast to North America, accusing American leaders of fomenting an "atrocity campaign" in order "to create the impression that the Japanese are cruel people," as preparation for intensive Allied bombing of Japan, took up the subject of atomic bombing, and described it as "useless cruelty" that "may have given the United States war leaders guilty consciences."

"They may be afraid that their illegal and useless and needless bombing may eventually bring protest from the American people unless some means of hardening them can be provided," the broadcast continued.

The broadcast to the United States went on to ask: "How will the United States war leaders justify their degradation, not only in the eyes of the other peoples but also in the eyes of the American people? How will these righteous-thinking American people feel about the way their war leaders are perpetuating this crime against man and God?"

"Will they condone the whole thing on the ground that everything is fair in love and war or will they rise in anger and denounce this blot on the honor and tradition and prestige of the American people?"

The broadcast said that "authorized quarters in Tokyo made the following statement on Aug. 8 with regard to the United States disregard for humanity:

"International law lays down the principle that belligerent nations are not entitled to unlimited choice in the means by which to destroy their opponents.

"This is made clear by Article 22 of The Hague Convention. Consequently, any attack by such means against open towns and defenseless citizens are unforgivable actions. The United States ought to remember that at the beginning of the fighting in China, it protested to Japan on numerous occasions in the name of humanity against smaller raids carried out by Japan."



The Tokyo announcer used the French phrase "villes demilitarises," or "open towns," although Hiroshima was known to be a quartermaster depot and a garrison town of considerable military importance.

The description of the havoc followed the line offered earlier in the broadcast to the United States, the "disastrous ruin" that struck the city, crushed houses and buildings, and "all of the dead and injured were burned beyond recognition," said the broadcast.

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0809.html#article
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 11:36 AM
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4. Let this never happen again.
Thanks for posting this. K and R.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 11:47 AM
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5. Let's also remember the incredible psychopathic cruelty of the Japanese too
and the fact that almost all of the Japanese, like almost all of the Germans, were ready, willing, and able to die in the defense of their criminal societies. Let's remember the fact that fathers were forced to rape their own daughters for the sadistic pleasure of the Japanese invaders at Nanking, in order to buy a few more minutes of life. Let's not forget the concentration camps in Manchuria in which the Japanese forced thousands of Chinese to undergo experiments in testing new bacteriological weapons of mass destruction. Let's remember the way the Japanese treated the garrisons of POWS who surrendered to them, considering them non-human and death-marching them without rest, food, or water. My own uncle, who was a US Marine still has shrapnel in his body from the beaches on which he fought the Japanese to try to destroy the sadistic reign of Imperial Japan.

Sorry, but I think the Germans in Berlin got everything coming to them at the hands of the Russians. And I have not one iota of sympathy for the civilians who died at Nagasaki or Hiroshima. The Japanese committed too many inhuman attrocities, with nearly the full support of the civilian population who worshipped the Emperor like a god.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:05 PM
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6. Alert.
Take this elsewhere. Start your own Japan-bashing thread.

How many people died at Hiroshima and Nagasaki who had no control over what their government did in their names? How many CHILDREN died? I suppose you'll try to tell me that "nits make lice", huh?
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:16 PM
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8. It's not Japan bashing - it's telling it like it is
Go tell the survivors of Nanking that they're Japan bashing when they talk about the 500,000 civilians killed in the killing spree by the Japanese army. You may not make it out alive. The fact is, Japan's feudal society as a whole was sick and sadistic and didn't value the lives of others. Go tell that to the Koreans, the Vietnamese, and especially the Filipinos who had family members tortured and murdered by the reign of imperialist thuggery that was Japan. Go read The Rape Of Nanking by Iris Chang that contains the eyewitness accounts of the survivors to the holocaust that the Japanese perpetrated.

World War II was not fought by small bands of mercenaries doing their General's bidding. These were citizen armies of millions of people, virtually everyone of military age, with the full support of their familes and friends, who worshipped their Emperor. I for one will NEVER forget the sadism of the Japanese and German people during World War II. If we cannot recognize evil anymore, and the Japanese and German societies were evil in that war, then I guess I'm glad that I won't be living much longer in this world.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:22 PM
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12. Take it elsewhere. Start your own I HATE NIPS thread, since that's your schtick.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:29 PM
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13. I don't hate Japanese - at least not Japanese of today
I hate the pure evil they did in World War II and I think they deserved their punishment.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:58 PM
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20. The OP said "not talking right or wrong". It WAS a memorial thread. nt
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 07:31 PM
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24. They deserved their punishment?
Punishment, eh?

So it had nothing to do with saving lives of American troops in a hypothetical invasion?

It was punishment for some wrong that they did, right?

So you're saying you're in favor of Iraqis nuking NYC?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 07:28 PM
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23. It is bashing in a memorial thread to those who died.
take it elsewhere if you cannot respect this.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:17 PM
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9. 142,000 on the book of Nagasaki's victims alone.
And this person whines about his unca's shrapnel.
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Hersheygirl Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:09 PM
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7. Wow!
The only thing I have to say is, I hope there are not too many people like you out there. What a sad world that would be.
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:18 PM
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10. I hope never to cross paths with you in real or virtual life.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:22 PM
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11. Yah! I bet you wish you could visit those atrocities on those civilians yourself! Woohoo! Blood!!!!
Anyone have any more questions on how America came to be the way it is? Didn't think so.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:36 PM
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14. Sorry, I didn't realize I was on a board that expressed sympathy for
nations that engage in imperialist agression, invasions, wholesale slaughter of civilians, concentration camps, bacteriological experimentation on tens of thousands of civilians, enslavement of women, torture and murder of POWS...
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:38 PM
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15. So when a couple American cities get nuked - we asked for it, right?
:eyes:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:52 PM
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18. BLOOD!! BLOOD!! BLOOD!!!
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:09 PM
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19. Question
Are you one of the individuals in your avatar?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 07:31 PM
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25. You are on a board that acknowledges and expresses sympathy for civilian deaths.
This is a thread in memorial to those civilians, not toward any nation. If you are incapable of understanding this, I feel sorry for you and wish you would go post that on another thread where it would be more appropriate.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:41 PM
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17. Why the need to hijack this thread with flamebait?
:shrug:
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 07:28 PM
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22. I'm home from work and request you take this elsewhere.
Start another thread on it, but please, can you not let 1 thread acknowledging those who got killed by The Fat Man without getting into this? Perhaps you did not read my OP. Here you go again.

Not talking right or wrong, just remembering those hurt or killed by The Fat Man. I read "Hiroshima" when I was in jr high school and it made a powerful impression upon me. I am working to try to keep this from happening again, and I think of you who died or were injured and, regardless of right or wrong, am very sorry that this happened to you.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:40 PM
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16. K & R
:kick:
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 03:55 PM
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21. kick
:kick:
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