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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:27 PM
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More Mystery Poster...he is still around
From TP
about Youngs antics...

RICO?

Americans will be shocked by what Young, Allen, Stevens, and Murkowskis have been doing with earmarks for 20 years. Only the Feds can bring it to light. How many Federal Agents do you need to get a solid RICO case together?

I hope the are arrested on the Congress floor while they are giving a speech. This would be great


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Date: August 9, 2007 1:00 PM


another
And the noose grows tighter:

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff announced that starting six months from now airlines operating international flights will be required to send the government their passenger list data before the planes take off rather than afterwards, as is now the case.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070809/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/secure_flight

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Date: August 9, 2007 12:48 PM

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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:27 PM
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1. Good - K&R
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 12:28 PM
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2. I like the sound of that !! n/t
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:03 PM
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3. Got a link to the Alaska reps shennanigans story?
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:19 PM
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5. Here ye go...it's dirty...
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:22 PM
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6. Thank you.
Edited on Thu Aug-09-07 01:26 PM by acmavm
edit: What a sneaky bastard. He had to have help on that one though.

He needs to be incarcerated for theft by deception or something like that.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:17 PM
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4. thanks
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:58 PM
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7. cool, but how can we be sure it's the same person?
Seeing as it's signed by a null value, anyone could step up and "pretend to be" ____.

Josh & co. could track the IP address of the poster, no?
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redacted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 03:23 PM
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8. Yes unless he is using a proxy server, proxy chain, or Tor
OR using a variety of public computers, for example, at public libraries or universities.

Also consider that every time one reboots a home router with a DSL connection, the DSL provider will assign a new IP address.
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Buttercup McToots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 04:09 PM
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9. Well I was looking around for Tom Tamm
and wound up at a freeper hole, I think...
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/4268
This is what they are saying...

snip:
The controversy over President Bush’s warrantless surveillance program took another surprise turn last week when a team of FBI agents, armed with a classified search warrant, raided the suburban Washington home of a former Justice Department lawyer. The lawyer, Thomas M. Tamm, previously worked in Justice’s Office of Intelligence Policy and Review (OIPR)—the supersecret unit that oversees surveillance of terrorist and espionage targets.

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The trial attorney for the Capital Case Unit of the DoJ was against the death penalty. Strange combination there. But I can tell you there is an interesting set of dots to connect. From Judge Sonner who cosigned with Tamm you get to one Judge Reggie B. Walton, who presided over the Libby trial and is now on the FISA Court.

followed a link and got here...
Tuesday, May 28, 2002
FBI's Carnivore hampered anti-terror probe
FBI's CARNIVORE SYSTEM DISRUPTED ANTI-TERROR INVESTIGATION INTERNAL MEMO CALLS OVER-COLLECTION OF DATA PART OF "PATTERN" SHOWING "INABILITY OF THE FBI TO MANAGE" FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE WIRETAPS
Washington, DC -- An FBI anti-terrorism investigation possibly involving Usama bin Laden was hampered by technical flaws in the Bureau's controversial Carnivore Internet surveillance system. The incident, which occurred in March 2000, is described in newly-released FBI documents obtained under court order by the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC). A written report describes the incident as part of a "pattern" indicating "an inability on the part of the FBI to manage" its foreign intelligence surveillance activities.

An internal FBI e-mail message dated April 5, 2000, and sent to M. E. (Spike) Bowman, Associate General Counsel for National Security Affairs, recounts how the Carnivore "software was turned on and did not work correctly." The surveillance system captured not only the electronic communications of the court-authorized target, "but also picked up E-Mails on non-covered" individuals, a violation of federal wiretap law. According to the Bureau document, the "FBI technical person was apparently so upset that he destroyed all the E-Mail take, including the take on ."

The botched surveillance was performed by the FBI's International Terrorism Operations Section (ITOS) and its "UBL Unit," which refers to the government's official designation of bin Laden. The Bureau document indicates that an official at the Justice Department's Office of Intelligence Policy and Review (whose name has been deleted) became aware of the problem, and "To state that she is unhappy with ITOS and the UBL Unit would be an understatement of incredible proportions."

The reported problem apparently was not the first to arise during the course of FBI implementation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). The internal document concludes its report of the "UBL Unit" incident by noting, "When you add this story to the FISA mistakes covered in , you have a pattern of occurrences which indicate to OIPR an inability on the part of the FBI to manage its FISAs."

Two Bureau documents written one week later discuss Carnivore's tendency to cause "the improper capture of data," and note that "uch unauthorized interceptions not only can violate a citizen's privacy but also can seriously 'contaminate' onoging investigations" and that such interceptions are "unlawful." An FBI lawyer (whose name has been deleted) writes that the Bureau must "go out of our way to avoid tripping over innocent third party communications." The lawyer concludes, "I am not sure how we can proceed to test without inadvertently intercepting the communications of others, but we really need to try."

The Bureau lawyer notes that "missteps under FISA lead to mandatory reporting to the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board, and such errancies must be reported/explained/justified to Congress." The documents do not indicate whether the "UBL Unit" incident was reported to either body.

Since its existence became public in 2000, the Carnivore system has been criticized by EPIC and other privacy groups, as well as members of Congress, because it gives the FBI unprecedented, direct access to the data networks of Internet service providers. The FBI has publicly downplayed the system's potential for over-collection of private communications, although internal documents released earlier to EPIC confirmed such a risk. An independent review of Carnivore commissioned by the Justice Department also found that the system is capable of "broad sweeps" and recommended technical changes to address the problem. Neither DOJ nor the FBI has indicated publicly whether those recommendations were ever implemented.

The newly-released FBI documents were provided to EPIC on 24 May 2002, in response to a court order issued by U.S. District Judge James Robertson in the privacy group's ongoing Freedom of Information Act lawsuit seeking the disclosure of material concerning Carnivore. The order directed the Bureau to conduct a second search for relevant documents after EPIC successfully argued (over the Bureau's objections) that an initial FBI search was inadequate and likely overlooked responsive records.

The case is being litigated by EPIC's General Counsel, David Sobel, who said, "These documents confirm what many of us have believed for two years -- Carnivore is a powerful but clumsy tool that endangers the privacy of innocent American citizens. We have now learned that its imprecision can also jeopardize important investigations, including those involving terrorism." Sobel added, "As we suggested when it first became public, Carnivore's use should be suspended until the questions surrounding it finally can be resolved. Our FOIA lawsuit shows that there's a great deal about Carnivore that we still don't know."

The newly-released FBI documents are available at:

http://www.epic.org/privacy/carnivore/


What if they never disabled Carnivore?

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