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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:35 PM
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Poll question: Scrap NAFTA or no?
This was discussed the other day, and DK was the only candidate who wanted to scrap it when elected.

So I'll throw this out to everyone...keep NAFTA? Change it? Or Scrap it?

As for me, I think it needs a complete overhaul. Trade agreements can be good - and they can be bad. The devil is in the details.

If NAFTA was something more akin to the EU, guaranteeing worker's rights, collective bargaining, environmental protection and health care (yes, if I were president I would mandate that all NAFTA nations had to have universal health care to receive NAFTA trade benefits.)

Something tells me if NAFTA were rewritten to include these things, immigration would not be a problem.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:38 PM
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1. NAFTA is ruining Mexico. The coporate pigs are destroying population,
farms, fishing, tourism, and the environment... meanwhile the cartels continue to sell themselves like judas to live on their compounds with armed guards.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:40 PM
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2. I don't think we should totally scrap it. It's important for some US
businesses to be able to trade with oher countries. Like everything else, without the right rules and constant monitoring, NAFTA has been abused.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:55 PM
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5. So U.S. businesses weren't allowed to trade with other nations before NAFTA?
What a bunch of bullshit.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 04:31 PM
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10. Not as easily, no. n/t
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WA98072 Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:47 PM
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3. What's that great sucking sound? Even Ross Perot knew it was bad!!!!
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ashling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:53 PM
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4. HAFTA scrap NAFTA ! ! !
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:56 PM
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6. The problem is that all those things were in the side
agreements, the ones most folks don't even know exist

They were never enforced

And if you think they will be enforced I have a bridge to sell you
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:58 PM
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8. Well, how does the European Union enforce theirs?
We need to take a similar approach.

Yes, we need to be more like Europe.

I said it.

Like France.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:56 PM
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7. NAFTA should be recrafted...
It should be re-written in a way that lifts worker conditions in Mexico up closer to our level, rather than depressing our workers to their level.

And it should move us toward providing Canadian level health care to all signatories.

Hey, I can dream, right? :)
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:29 PM
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9. I agree 100%
I supported NAFTA at first. As a poster mentioned earlier, NAFTA originally had worker and environmental protections - but they weren't enforced.

Time to redraft NAFTA, with a way to enforce all of the protections. Dunno how? Check out the EU - they managed to get it.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 04:39 PM
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11. Does that mean limit or eliminate the TN Visa?? Or not?
Hmmm? :eyes:
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