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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:48 PM
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Scientists have cracked the riddle of levitation
Edited on Thu Aug-09-07 01:54 PM by k-robjoe



Don´t ask me how they do it, but apparently scientists have cracked the riddle of levitation :

"The Casimir force is a consequence of quantum mechanics, the theory that describes the world of atoms and subatomic particles that is not only the most successful theory of physics but also the most baffling.

The force is due to neither electrical charge or gravity, for example, but the fluctuations in all-pervasive energy fields in the intervening empty space between the objects and is one reason atoms stick together (...)"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/06/nlevitate106.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox

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Maybe "mad scientist" Hutcinson was the real thing after all.

Videoclip with his levitation-experiments :

http://www.livevideo.com/video/UKUFO/89ECCF63776640B0B69ECFFA0C9B07BA/the-hutchinson-effect.aspx ( 2 min )

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:52 PM
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1. Man...
how many horrible "scientific" articles can these journalists print in one day?
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:58 PM
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3. In what way "horrible "scientific" " ? n/t
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:00 PM
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5. This, among others...

"The force is due to neither electrical charge or gravity"

And then they go ahead an reference van der waals forces, an electromagnetic phenomenon. They're picture is a magnet levitating above a superconductor, held in place thanks to gravity.
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slutticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 06:17 PM
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29. LOL...yeah
"The force is due to neither electrical charge or gravity, for example, but the fluctuations in all-pervasive energy fields in the intervening empty space between the objects and is one reason atoms stick together, also explaining a “dry glue” effect that enables a gecko to walk across a ceiling."

I stopped reading after that paragraph.

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skids Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 07:06 PM
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30. Actually I think the picture is a levitron top.

...I don't know a reason to use an odd shape like that to levitate over a superconductor.

But yeah they are essentially lying to the idle reader since they can't do this on a macro scale yet.

To levitate a human, though, all you need is a big/strong enough magnet, given we are diamagnets. Or
at least those of us without steel plates in our skulls are.



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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 07:09 PM
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32. Ah, could be.
Still electromagnetism.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:54 PM
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2. What's new about it? Larger versions of those things have
Edited on Thu Aug-09-07 01:55 PM by Texas Explorer
been seen flying around almost everywhere since 1947. Nobody knew, though, what they were until now. :D
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 01:59 PM
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4. chris angel has been doing that for a long time,
I even saw him on tv doing it.
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-..__... Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 08:45 PM
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36. Here's one way he does it...
Edited on Thu Aug-09-07 08:45 PM by D__S
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRMHmnr4b60

Cheap parlor trick, but the simplicity of it (once you see how it's done), is the beauty of it (as in "why didn't I think of that" ? :smoke:).
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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:03 PM
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6. It is my understanding
That the Casimir effect or force is only operative over molecular distances..
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:13 PM
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11. A'yup. (NT)
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:34 PM
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13. But
Tey´re saying that they will be able to levitate a person :

"Their discovery could ultimately lead to frictionless micro-machines with moving parts that levitate But they say that, in principle at least, the same effect could be used to levitate bigger objects too, even a person."

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:39 PM
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16. Depends how far you want them levitated, ehh? ;-)
> "Their discovery could ultimately lead to frictionless
> micro-machines with moving parts that levitate But they
> say that, in principle at least, the same effect could
> be used to levitate bigger objects too, even a person."

Depends how far you want them levitated, ehh? ;) The force
has plenty of force, but it will only "lift" you
(exert that force) over the distance of a few atomic
diameters.

The surfaces will have to be damned smooth to levitate a
person and actually notice it happening.

Tesha
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:45 PM
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19. "quite a distance”
But read the end of the article. They´re talking about "quite a distance" :

"The practicalities of designing the lens to do this are daunting but not impossible and levitation “could happen over quite a distance”."

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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 03:01 PM
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23. Wait for the demonstration. ;-) (NT)
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skip fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:04 PM
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7. Hell, all they have to do is run a gas pipe from Faux News and have the other end
open, directly under the chairs they're sitting on.
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enki23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:08 PM
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8. "riddile of levitation?" what was the riddle?
stupid, stupid, stupid title.
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k-robjoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:38 PM
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15. riddle / mystery
In the article it says "mystery of levitation".

Having seen the Hutchinson experiments it seemed like a bit of a mystery/riddle to me. Is that so stupid?


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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:10 PM
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9. How does this explain Yuri Gellar?
Does he use the Casimir force too?
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KaptBunnyPants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:39 PM
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17. Nope, just fraud.
nt
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:13 PM
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10. There's a pretty good exposition here...
There's a pretty good exposition here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casimir_effect

...although they still describe the creation of a
Casimir-force-based repulsor as theoretical, not
actual.

Tesha
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:33 PM
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12. I noticed this was accomplished by non-USA scientists.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:38 PM
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14. Wow isn't that fascinating it looks like a flying saucer
coincidence??? I don't think so
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Sanctified Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:44 PM
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18. The girl in that picture looks like she may have a pretty face
but she has some seriously gnarly fingers, I want to mail her some hand lotion.
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:54 PM
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21. Well, she keeps sticking her fingers into a liquid N2-cooled area... nt
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:48 PM
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20. Here's the actual paper (link):
Edited on Thu Aug-09-07 02:49 PM by eppur_se_muova
http://www.arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0608115
(edit to add: links to d/l on upper right)

more on quantum levitation:
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~ulf/levitation.html

UL's home page:
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~ulf/
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 02:55 PM
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22. What's the big deal?
You just wave your wand at someone and say, "Levicorpus."

TlalocW
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 03:43 PM
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24. come on now, David Blane can do it
and pull cards through glass storefronts. A bit of walking on water and levitation is nothing.
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 08:39 PM
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35. That's for hanging upside down.
I forget if Wingardium Leviosa is only for inanimate objects, do you remember? First year was a long time ago.

Bill
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 09:46 AM
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37. I think it kind of depends on what body part you point the wand
Or maybe not.

TlalocW
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Chemical Bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 06:11 PM
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40. Who remembers every little bit of schooling? Not me.
I'm better at herbology and potions, anyway.

Bill
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 04:21 PM
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25. I thought moron* did that last week when he went swimming...
shit* floats...

:rofl:

Thank you thank you, I'll be hear all week, don't forget to tip your waitress!!
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 04:48 PM
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26. And don't forget to tip your cow, either. n/t
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 04:54 PM
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27. Newspaper people shouldn't be allowed to write about science (nm)
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 05:32 PM
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28. unfortunately...
scientists are terrible writers. Have you ever read a scientific journal or textbook?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 07:09 PM
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33. "Have you ever read a scientific journal or textbook?"
Sure. That's what technical writing is supposed to be like.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 09:48 AM
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38. some of them anyway
Some textbooks are much worse than others. I have big issues with a lot of technical writers, having done some of it myself (SOP's and such). Really finding a well writen technical text has always been a challange to me.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 07:08 PM
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31. All I Know Is Bullshit Is Floating All Over Washington
..
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-09-07 07:22 PM
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34. And it STINKS to HIGH HEAVEN.
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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:56 AM
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39. Very interesting
Thanks for posting.
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