Do you think Tony Snow is being used for sympathy?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

And before anyone dismisses me as insensitive, this IS the Bush administration after all.

If he dies, how long will the White House try to institute a "Show some respect and don't ask us any tough questions for a few weeks while we mourn" policy?

[C_U_L8R]

1. Everything they do has a purpose

[liberaldemocrat7]

32. Look, the Bush administration provoked the 9-11 attacks and used the dead for sympathy

and the Bush administration headed for unpopularity before Sept 11, 2001 rode the wave of sympathy for deaths that happened as a result of an attack they provoked, for 6 years now.

The Bush administration rode the wave of 9-11 sympathy until their messed up Republican policies could no longer get covered up with an American flag, nor military uniforms, with terror terror terror and now the Smirking Chimp has a popular rating in the high 20 percentile level.

Yes the Bush administration will attempt to use anyones death for sympathy.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0IW157-ElI

[live love laugh]

2. And to think that he would allow himself to be used further diminishes any sympathy

I might have had for him.

[acmavm]

6. You beat me to it. I don't feel a damn bit of sympathy for the man. He's

quite willing to sell his soul to the devil. And I mean that literally AND figuratively.

[Wiley50]

3. Dual Purpose Propagandist n/t

[Cha]

53. They're milking it for

all its worth.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. Very possibly. They are evil, cynical people who don't care whom they use.

But I also think that Tony is a True Believer, and that therefore he could be well aware they are using him; and maybe even complicit -- figuring those mean ol' reporters wouldn't dare ask hard questions of a guy with cancer; and if they did, well, aren't they just terrible? I don't think he could lie in such a facile manner if he weren't a devout Bushie. Even Scotty McLelland would squirm and fidget and mumble when he lied; Tony, in contrast, is as slick as snot on a doorknob, probably because he actually believes his own bullshit. And the White House will use his illness to their advantage because they are evil bastards and that's what they do.

[hisownpetard]

15. Ewww. And Amen! n/t

[helderheid]

5. yes

[Disturbed]

13. No. His recurrence of his colon cancer spreading to his liver

happened while he was Press Liar. They couldn't fire him because of that. His cancer may go into remission. Chemo is difficult & highly unpleasant. Some keep saying that he looks terrible & is dying. Chemo can do that to a body. While I do not slam him for making his struggle public I do slam him for his continuous lying for a Fascist Regime.

[Ladyhawk]

23. Metastasized colon cancer has a very high death rate.

Or has something changed since my father died of it?

[SoCalDem]

47. He said that there was a "mass" in his abdomen that the doctors

"thought" was probably benign.. and apparently it had been there a while..

Why would ANY doctor think that? especially with his history?

He's all spin..all the time

[williesgirl]

7. Without a doubt, and he's letting them do it now.

[Gloria]

8. The thought crossed my mind a few minutes after the segment on Countdown....

I'm sure there's going to be something outrageous coming up and it might be a way to soften up the (already softened up) press...

[Lint Head]

9. Of course. There are lying cynical fucks in charge.

[karlrschneider]

10. Probably, but he's a willing participant.

It's pretty hard to blackmail a dying man.

[rodeodance]

16. He is an ACTIVE participant.

[karlrschneider]

20. Indeed. The big question is -why-. Why would a dying man continue to be a

lying whore for criminals? I sincerely and honestly don't get it. :eyes:

[Lasher]

37. Because his political ideology is a religion to him.

And the same is true of many right wingers. Think about it.

[Solly Mack]

11. not working with me if he is

[VP505]

12. I don't know

what their motives are, but considering some of the other things they have used for their political gain it wouldn't surprise me one bit. BTW, they would probably feel he has given them permission to take advantage of his illness in that by being a willing liar and obstructionist for the admin and knowing how they operate he validates what they do, in their own minds.

[Gold Metal Flake]

14. Yes. n/m

[Sarah Ibarruri]

17. I don't know how Tony Snow can continue to lie for them.

I always thought that a person at death's door would have a reckoning and start being honest and kind. Instead, Tony Snow is lying for these criminals just as much as he always did. I don't GET IT.

[karlrschneider]

21. That really is the mystery, isn't it? I said the same thing in post #20

Baffling. Absolutely baffling.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

22. Its shocking! My sister says these people have no belief in God at all. nt

[Ladyhawk]

28. What does belief in god have to do with it????

The right-wingers I know believe very strongly. It's just this: their god is as nasty as they are. If you haven't, actually read the bible sometime. As Churchill's son said, "God is a shit." And this "shit" is the driving force behind all three Abrahamic religions. It's the moderates that have it wrong. The god of the bible is NOT love. It's a damn good thing for all of us he suffers from the horrible disability of non-existence.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

40. God has a lot to do with it since they rub in our faces how godly and christian they are. nt

[karlrschneider]

29. I don't think that matters either way; some believers and some atheists are just assholes.

It's the way of the world.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

41. But if someone is telling you that they're quite saintly, then you catch them in 1000 sins....

I have the right to call them what I wish.

[Ladyhawk]

25. Sorry, but people don't suddenly stop being assholes when they're dying.

If you stop and think about it, you'll realize this is true.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

42. Absolutely. I think of it this way... is Hitler any less a serial killer because he's dead? No. nt

[Oeditpus Rex]

18. As long as he stands up there catapulting the propaganda

he's fair game.

It's human nature to have some sympathy for him, but any scorp who lets that affect his/her job should be yanked off the White House beat.

[ben_meyers]

19. What are they supposed to do?

Fire him for being sick? And what would you have him do? Just go home and die? Part of battling the disease is to have something to live for. Would you ask this of anybody else?

[karlrschneider]

24. Or maybe he should be given carte blanche to rob banks...since he's sick and all.

On the other hand, maybe just a modicum of contrition wouldn't be out of order....like admitting to being a lying whore for the Bushco Criminal Cabal and a little apology........? Ya think?

[Ladyhawk]

27. I'm not going to ask anything of anyone.

I'm just pointing out that people don't usually change even when they're very sick. I can feel sorry for him on a personal level. My father was abusive to me when I was a kid. It didn't stop me from feeling sorry for him when he was dying. His death, unfortunately, did not cancel what he did during life, both the good and the bad.

[Botany]

26. I give 'em a pass on this one.

If Tony Snow wants to keep doing his job (no matter how much I disagree w/ him)
as he is facing terminal cancer that is fine by me.

I hope he gets better.

[Maddy McCall]

30. You know, we as DUers railed against Ann Coulter when she...

claimed that the 9/11 widows were using their loss to insulate themselves from criticism.

How can we not be hypocrites if we accuse Tony Snow and the Bush administration of doing the same thing?

My father is a cancer survivor. I have sympathy for Snow and his family. I really don't like the road that this thread is attempting to travel.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

46. I'd hardly compare the White House to widows of murdered people

They are not "The Snow Family".

[mitchum]

31. Of course (n/t)

[Enthusiast]

33. The Bush Administration would do ANYTHING. nt

[NNN0LHI]

34. The question is has there been anything this regime has not used for political gain?

Thousands of dead and wounded Americans in Iraq.

Close to a million Iraqis have been killed and tortured.

4 million Iraqi refugees.

All done for political advantage.

So after that there is nothing these these thugs wouldn't do for political gain.

Probably best not to believe anything these criminals ever say.

Don

[Cobalt-60]

35. Absolutely

I wouldn't doubt that they're adding to it with makeup.
They're ruthless people who will stop at nothing.

[JI7]

36. Tony Snow has always lied for this administration

he is doing it of his own free will. has nothing to do with his cancer.

as for his cancer i hope he does beat this but sadly it doesn't look that way. hopefully i'm wrong. i feel very bad for him and his family.

[SoCalDem]

38. Of course he is.. They hired him, KNOWING he had had cancer

they USED it to garner sympathy for him and his position.. How could the mean ole press attack a sick guy like they did with Ari, the Arrogant, and Snotty Scotty..

[NNN0LHI]

43. It was either that or discontinue the daily WH briefings which they were considering

They went with snowjob.

Don

[Hamlette]

39. you and Ann Coulter love this argument. n/t

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

44. Except I'm questioning what the Administration will do

They aren't the victim in this.

[Hamlette]

50. what? How is it different to wonder if Bush would use Snow because he has cancer

for sympathy than Coulter saying the dems use victims for sympathy or so that we can't question them because to question victims would be mean (she was talking specifically about the 9/11 widows but she said dems always do it and implied the GOP never does).

I'm confused. Sure seems like the same argument to me.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

56. The sick nature of her argument was the attack on the widows themselves

If she wants to slam any political party for using people's tragedy for political gain, that's fair game. She's a moronic talking head, and I expect that of her, The Pigman, Hanitty, Glenn BecKKK, etc. We can turn around and say we think she's full of shit that Democrats always do it and the GOP never does, and this situation for example, could bear that out. People are gonna say what they are gonna say about any party they hate. The reprehensible and downright immoral part of her argument was when she went after the widows themselves as "enjoying" the fact they are victims.

So if you are trying to draw a link between the Administration as Snow's boss and the wives of the victims as being unfairly attacked, they aren't even in the same ballpark.........

[Left Is Write]

45. I don't know, but it's painful to watch him.

[SoCalDem]

48. and probably more painful to be the questioner.. and the WH knows this. n/t

[bridgit]

49. yes...

[Rosemary2205]

51. Tony Snow is no one's stooge.

The man has been shoveling shit his whole life. It's obvious he believes in what he is doing or else he wouldn't be there.

[donheld]

52. Of course they are

No question in my mind. Sadly they don't even care about his well being. They'll use him then toss him out.

[Avalux]

54. Cancer is a horrible disease. It afflicts evil men as well as good ones.

Remember that as you watch Tony yank the heartstrings and talk about his struggles; cancer doesn't care what kind of person it strikes and just because someone has it, doesn't mean they have an epiphany and become a better person. I knew soneone in particular who used her cancer diagnosis to manipulate and get what she wanted. I don't wish the illness on anyone, but I can't suddenly feel sorry for Tony Snow and absolve him of all his lying for this admininstration.

[KharmaTrain]

55. Tony's A "Bretheren"

His cancer has nothing to do with his selection or any play for pity. I admire his desire to stay vibrant and working when many others would fold up and let the disease dictate their lives...Snow is still in control of his. While I strongly disagree with this enabler, his illness should not be used as any measure of the man other than his personal fight and struggle.

He was selected cause he was a former corporate media stenographer. He's a party buddy. Snotty wasn't. When he started getting beat up, this regime calcuated that bringing in Snow would shut things up and that Tony's friends would give him a benefit of the doubt...which they have.