It hit me this Morning....Can anyone Remember RW'er Repugs being FOR Spying on Americans?

[KoKo]

Remember all that stuff they used to spew about State's Rights and the Government into their lives? The Government was always their enemy. Remember how they howled about giving money for "Foreign Aid" and how Nation Building was bad...that America should take care of it's own and not "them foreigners."

Didn't take them long to turn it all around...did it? Now the Government is their Friend. Spying on citizens makes them feel safer....giving "Foreign Aid to build Democracies" is a GOOD THING... NATION BUILDING IS GOOD. BIG GOVERNMENT is GOOD!

How easily they turned. Makes you wonder.... Rush Limbaugh and Fox and the rest of that crowd...just LOVES that BIG GOVERNMENT in your House, in your Car, in your Bedroom, in your kids Computers, in your Computer and on your Phone Lines. They can break into your house and if you take your gun and shoot them...they will haul you off to Gitmo and there won't be a trace left of your or your family. The Repugs who brought you Big Government and Spies on YOU and Throws you into Jail without a lawyer representing you.

What good does have guns in your home do you when you have no rights?

[EFerrari]

1. They usually say that they have nothing to hide so they don't care.

:shrug:

[never cry wolf]

8. Yet they support the most secretive administration in history

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

9. Well, would a strict father tell you his business?

That's the Republic mindset.

[kestrel91316]

10. They have plenty to hide, alright. It's just that they are secure in the

knowledge that the spying will ONLY be directed against their political opponents.

It's sounding more and more like Soviet Russia........

[EFerrari]

13. No kidding. And I've no doubt about who will be subjects

of surveillance, none.

[The Vinyl Ripper]

2. The War On Drugs..

Has always been about spying on Americans, right down to what you have in your bloodstream.

Republicans have always been enthusiastic supporters of TWOD.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. This is why there isn't much enthusiasm for the repuke candidates

Most Republicans I know are the old fashioned kind, and don't like this domestic spying one bit. They hate the huge deficit and the foreign entanglements. More than one has switched all the way over to the Democratic Party (including giving financial support), and others are seriously looking at the Libertarians and the Constitution Party.

[librechik]

4. completely, since the Cold War.

You're thinking of Libertarians. They actually want the government out of our personal lives. But they are a tiny minority of Repugs. Most of em are these lockstep abject yessir what ever you want sir types who think spying on your neighbor and reporting it to the police is the patriotic thing to do.

[On the Road]

5. Reagan Changed All That

You are correct about traditional Republicans, but that is no longer the GOP.

[opihimoimoi]

6. Flip floppers....they will say anything CONVINIENT including LIE CHEAT STEAL to get the "win"

[Skip Intro]

7. They parrot whatever they're fed. Mindless sheep mesmerized by flag and Bible waving & fearmongering

why think about the concept of freedom and democracy when you can just lazily watch the symbols dangling before you, and obey?

[Kansas Wyatt]

11. It will return when a Democratic Administration is at the controls.

At that point, there will be an onslaught of endless screeching about how the the Government has gone too far and must be dismantled to prevent any intrusion whatsoever.

It is also why they feel so threatened by Nancy Pelosi's line to the Presidency and the powers she would inherit.

[NNN0LHI]

12. Yes I can remember. McCarthyism was brought to us by the Republicans back in the 1950's

The effects of that witch hunt can still be felt today in our country. Republicans have always been Nazi-like for as long as I can remember.

Don


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy

Joseph McCarthy

Joseph Raymond McCarthy (November 14, 1908 – May 2, 1957) was a Republican U.S. Senator from the state of Wisconsin between 1947 and 1957. Beginning in 1950, McCarthy became the most visible public face of a period of extreme anti-communist suspicion inspired by the tensions of the Cold War. He was noted for making unsubstantiated claims that there were large numbers of Communists and Soviet spies and sympathizers inside the federal government. Ultimately, his tactics led to his being discredited and censured by the United States Senate. The term "McCarthyism," coined in 1950 in reference to McCarthy's practices, was soon applied to similar anti-communist pursuits. Today the term is used more generally to describe demagogic, reckless, and unsubstantiated accusations, as well as public attacks on the character or patriotism of political opponents.

Born and raised on a Wisconsin farm, McCarthy earned a law degree at Marquette University in 1935 and was elected as a circuit judge in 1939, the youngest in state history. At age 33, McCarthy volunteered for the United States Marine Corps and served during World War II. He successfully ran for the United States Senate in 1946, defeating Robert M. La Follette, Jr. After several largely undistinguished years in the Senate, McCarthy rose suddenly to national fame in 1950 when he asserted in a speech that he had a list of "members of the Communist Party and members of a spy ring" who were employed in the State Department.

However, McCarthy was never able to substantiate his sensational charges. In succeeding years, McCarthy made accusations of Communist infiltration into the State Department, the administration of President Truman, Voice of America, and the United States Army. He also used charges of communism, communist sympathies, or disloyalty to attack a number of politicians and other individuals inside and outside of government. With the highly publicized Army-McCarthy hearings of 1954, McCarthy's support and popularity began to fade. Later in 1954, the Senate voted to censure Senator McCarthy by a vote of 67 to 22, making him one of the few senators ever to be disciplined in this fashion. McCarthy died in Bethesda Naval Hospital on May 2, 1957, at the age of 48. The official cause of death was acute hepatitis; it is widely accepted that this was brought on by alcoholism.

[Major Hogwash]

14. Nixon's team believed it was okay, they spied on Kerry. Cheney probably approved it.

That was only 36 years ago. When they ran scared that Nixon might lose the '72 election, they bugged the Democratic Headquarters at the Watergate Hotel. Nixon was popular enough to get re-elected, so why did he allow the bugging of his opponent that year?

Because he was paranoid.

He thought he was going to lose the election.
His poll numbers were slipping and Nixon was getting a lot of bad press.
So, he wanted "an edge" against the Democratic candidate.

It was the stupidest thing he ever could have done, but he thought the Pentagon papers, which informed the people that he had secretly ordered the bombing of Cambodia, would be his undoing.
So, he tried to suppress it.

When that failed, he used every dirty political trick they had, their so-called "black bag" tricks.
Then, when Watergate happened, he tried to cover it up.
And that was his undoing.

Republicans don't care about individual rights, they aren't upset about spying on Americans.
Because they think they are the "true" Americans.
They didn't mind that Hoover's FBI was spying on Vietnam War protesters.
They didn't care that Hoover's FBI was spying on the hippy that lived 2 houses down the road from them.
They weren't concerned that the FBI was spying on the weird teacher who read magazines they thought were connected to Communist organizations.

Because they weren't afraid of the government.
They don't care if the government abuses it's power.
Or oversteps the boundaries of the law to spy on Americans.

Because they thought, they believed, they were "good Americans."
They had nothing to hide, so why should they care about illegal wiretaps and spying scandals on other Americans.

They weren't going to do anything to draw attention to themselves by protesting or reading "leftist propaganda".
Because they didn't want the IRS to audit them.
You see, to Republicans, the IRS is the real danger.
Taxes.
That's their real nemesis.
And if they could only get the gawd damned Democrats to quit spending so much money building roads, schools, hospitals, and parks, they might be able to keep more of the money they earned.

Besides, they figured that Hoover's FBI was only spying on Democrats, not on them.
It was easy to look the other way while they proudly waved the flag.

[piedmont]

15. I'm not sure who your closing question was directed at.

If it was directed at DUers who support the 2nd Amendment, I'd say that the overwhelming majority of them support EVERY right enshrined in the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Most of us understand that without the other rights, the right to keep and bear arms is of limited usefulness. We also understand that without RKBA, the other rights become more vulnerable to governments and criminals who would deprive us of them.

As for what the fucking right-wingers believe, oh hell I don't know how much thought goes through their tiny little minds. Not much is apparent from observing them.