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Sun Aug-12-07 09:09 AM
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Poll question: Who Was The Worst Republican President? |
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:14 AM
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1. I never would have dreamed that in comparison to George W. Bush... |
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Reagan would be better. Note that I said "in comparison"
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:15 AM
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2. I Wanted Bush* To Win A DU Poll For Once |
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:15 AM
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3. Don't worry, Republican presidents are insidious. |
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Edited on Sun Aug-12-07 09:16 AM by Kutjara
Each one lowers the bar from the one before. Three more of the bastards and we'll be scooping the next one off the top of a fishtank.
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:17 AM
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4. At The Risk Of Being A Heretic I Would Say Reagan Had A Kinder Heart... |
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Edited on Sun Aug-12-07 09:18 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
Tip O'Neil said Reagan was a sucker for a sad story... He just couldn't see that some of his policies were punitive toward less advantaged folks... I don't think Reagan would look at a bunch of gazionallionaires and call them "my base"... Reagan came from a modest background... He wasn't the pampered prince the Bushes are...
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:23 AM
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6. That's a pretty insightful analysis. |
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Reagan certainly didn't come from a privileged family like Bush did.
I pretty much agree with what you said.
Needless to say, I'm not exactly proud of finding myself defending Ronald Reagan in any way. But in comparison to what we're saddled with right now...
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:32 AM
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10. I Certainly Didn't Vote For Him But I Could See His Appeal |
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Edited on Sun Aug-12-07 09:47 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
He was the quintessential optimist who made people feel good about their country...He made the mistake that many successful people make ;that their success can be easily duplicated...That all it takes is hard work... They fail to realize they were born with certain assets... Like in Reagan's case- conventional good looks, and a great set of pipes...In Bush's case he was born with a dowery and a name... You can say that about some of our leaders as well but I think most of them realize that...It's a huge difference...
I also don't think Reagan would have gotten us involved in a land war in the heart of the Middle East...
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:46 AM
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16. Also Reagan was an actor |
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he was good at reading scripts,Bush can't read.
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:41 AM
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He recounts a meeting with Reagan where he tells him of a young girl who can't get the medical treatment she needs because she was caught in the government bureacray... Reagan was incredulous and personally intervened on her behalf while leaving the problem that caused her not to get treatment in the first place intact...
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:19 AM
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5. The King and Queen era started under |
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Saint Ronnie and Queen Nancy so I have to give him the No. 1 slot as worst presidents. And how the RNC machine has pulled the wool over their flock. Here in Tennessee, the 26 per centers think Fredrick "of Hollywood" Thompson is King Ronnie incarnate. His little philly, not so much.
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:23 AM
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7. Objectively- I Would Have To Say Hoover And Bush* Were The Worst... |
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On one hand you have the greatest economic disaster in the history of the republic and the other hand you have the biggest strategic blunder in the history of the republic...
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:46 AM
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17. Jeri Thompson Has All The Imperiousness Of Nancy Reagan And None Of The Panache... |
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Plus the Reagans appeared to be a well matched couple... Fred Thompson looked as if he married his son's girlfriend...
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Sun Aug-12-07 10:23 AM
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20. Nancy was old-time glamour. Jeri is total trailer. |
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Sun Aug-12-07 01:46 PM
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38. That's not fair to Hoover |
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By the time he took office the Depression was already well under way, especially in the agricultural sector which was far larger than it is today.
Hoover also went further in government intervention in the economy than any president before him. The fact that FDR went way further shouldn't take away from Hoover's efforts.
Hoover was also perhaps the best man to ever become president. From an orphan he went to Stanford and spent his life going around the world helping people in famine. He was maybe the most prepared man ever to become president.
I think he's our most underrated president so I stand up for him when he's made fun of.
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Sun Aug-12-07 02:05 PM
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44. Hoover was disastrous to the economy, but I would still have to rate him better than Bush... |
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(1) In Hoover's laissez-faire economic policies, he was, as I understand, largely following in the footsteps of his predecessors Harding and Coolidge. He didn't invent the policies, though he was too rigid to change them when faced with a crisis. Bush has moved away from his immediate predecessors in a number of important and bad ways.
(2) Hoover did some important humanitarian work before he was president. Bush did a lot of drinking, failed in several businesses, and executed a lot of people in Texas before he was president.
(3) (As Secretary of Commerce, not as President), Hoover responded quite effectively to a disaster similar to Katrina. Bush - well, we know.
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:25 AM
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8. Tough call between Reagan and Bush... |
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Bush is clearly worse in action but Reagan laid the groundwork that made Bush possible (and to many, palatable).
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:25 AM
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9. How many can choose????? nt |
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:36 AM
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11. How about the guy that came before Lincoln... |
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After all in addition to other things he help create the mess that eventually lead to the Civil War.
After him Bush Jr is second.
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:44 AM
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Edited on Sun Aug-12-07 09:44 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
But most politicians in the mid eighteenth century were trying to kick the "slavery" can down the road...
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Sun Aug-12-07 10:34 AM
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23. James Buchanan wouldn't be in this poll |
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He was a Democrat. This poll is about Republican presidents only.
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Sun Aug-12-07 12:18 PM
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27. Buchanan was one of the worst Democratic presidents ever. |
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:36 AM
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12. Richard Nixon Owes Bush* A Debt Of Gratitude |
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Because if not for Bush* he would probably be winning this poll...
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:52 AM
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I never thought that anyone could make Nixon look good by comparison.
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:44 AM
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15. What, no "all of the above"? nt |
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Sun Aug-12-07 09:49 AM
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I wanted to manufacture a George Bush* victory on DU...
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Sun Aug-12-07 10:27 AM
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21. Gonna have to go with the Chimperor, because of his sheer unsuitability |
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for the office--he wasn't otherwise qualified and screwed up. He should never have gotten anywhere near the power he ended up with. He wipes out the "Governors make better Presidents" theory that so many now accept as conventional wisdom. There are plenty of mediocre governors.
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Sun Aug-12-07 10:34 AM
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Iraq! Bush has caused untold death and destruction based on a lie...case closed!:mad:
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Sun Aug-12-07 10:36 AM
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Sun Aug-12-07 10:39 AM
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25. GWB and Hoover, by far. |
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Sun Aug-12-07 10:44 AM
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26. The Demonspawn Ronald Reagan who brought the current filth into Government was the worst |
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Virtually every one of Bush's strings is pulled by someone who got into Government with Ronald Reagan.
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Sun Aug-12-07 12:41 PM
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28. Bush = worst president in the history of the US, Ronald Reagan = 2nd worst |
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Sun Aug-12-07 12:52 PM
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30. Reagan is not even close of being the second worst |
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Hoover, Buchanan, Polk, Harding... quite a few were worse than him. Gosh, I think Carter was less succesful than Reagan.
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Sun Aug-12-07 01:24 PM
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34. I would guess that some 19th century presidents were worse.. |
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but certainly in recent times, I'd agree that Bush was the worst, followed by Ronnie.
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Sun Aug-12-07 12:47 PM
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Sun Aug-12-07 01:10 PM
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Grant was merely incompetent...Bush is incompetent and evil...
Plus, Grant supported the rights of the newly free slaves...
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Sun Aug-12-07 01:21 PM
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32. I can't believe anyone thinks any of the others worse than Bush |
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He is far more corrupt, dangerous, and anti-democratic than all of them put together.
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Sun Aug-12-07 01:23 PM
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33. Well, it takes all kinds... |
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Bear in mind, we've got a post on this very thread saying Carter was worse than REAGAN. :eyes:
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Sun Aug-12-07 01:26 PM
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35. Not worse, less succesful. |
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Sun Aug-12-07 01:31 PM
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36. Reagan (or his handlers) probably *were* more successful in achieving their goals... |
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The problem is that most of their goals were bad goals.
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Sun Aug-12-07 01:47 PM
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39. When Reagan Left The Federal Government Was Larger Than When He Arrived |
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I don't how it was in the UK after the Iron Lady...
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Sun Aug-12-07 01:58 PM
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41. On the one hand, more had been privatized and funding for public services was lower |
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On the other hand, the powers of national government had been greatly increased relative to local government. The latter continues to this day.
Blair put more funding back into the public services, but unfortunately continued to treat public services as though they should be run like businesses (as if most businesses were all that efficient), with excessive emphasis on management and 'targets'. As I've said in other posts, imagine NCLB applied not only to education but to practically everything else.
So I suppose the brief answer is: on the one hand, increased privatization; on the other hand, increased centralization.
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Sun Aug-12-07 02:01 PM
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43. Bush Destroyed Blair's Standing In Britain And In History |
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I like Blair a lot and feel bad for him... I wonder if Bush has any regrets...
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Sun Aug-12-07 02:13 PM
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46. Actually, I'd say that Blair did quite a lot of that for himself. |
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Edited on Sun Aug-12-07 02:30 PM by LeftishBrit
He is much more intelligent, and probably better-intentioned, than Bush; but he combines an excessive belief in himself and whatever is his current cause, with a lack of attention to detail and an excessive predilection for spin.
He was causing major problems for our public services before he got involved with Bush. He got re-elected because the opposition was so bad, not because he was much liked. And I think that his readiness to go into Iraq was to a large extent based on an attitude, not dissimilar to the (often very idealistic) 19th-century imperialists that he knew best how other countries should be run, and that it was his job to make them act as he wished. Since we have not had an empire since the 1940s, he went along with Bush's 'empire'. If he had really not believed in the policies, he would not have gone along with Bush.
Blair's government has one great achievement: the Good Friday Agreement which largely brought peace to Northern Ireland (it was also, of course, an achievement for the Irish parties). For the rest, he has been a great disappointment.
P.S. I doubt that Bush has any regrets. Does he ever have any regrets for anything?
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Sun Aug-12-07 02:07 PM
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45. Well, you conflated those two terms with the fashion in which you used them. |
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Your post boils down to: "Many were worse than Reagan; even Carter was less successful."
Parsing those two statements in that order requires the implicit assumption that you are using both terms to refer to the same concept. Otherwise, the Carter reference is completely irrelevant to the subject at hand, and doesn't belong there at all.
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Sun Aug-12-07 01:45 PM
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Sun Aug-12-07 01:48 PM
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I lived through Nixon, as a young adult and we thought nothing could top that. We were so wrong.
Our present president is the worst ever, in my opinion. Jeez, at least Nixon resigned.
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Sun Aug-12-07 02:00 PM
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Nancy's astrologer was a better President than that sorry-assed 'B' grade actor.
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Sun Aug-12-07 02:39 PM
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47. GW is what Reagan would've been without any restraints. |
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They've got the same puppeteers, for the most part. Their goals and methods are very similar.
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Sun Aug-12-07 02:41 PM
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48. This is a trick question, right? |
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Sun Aug-12-07 02:42 PM
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49. Looks like * is winning this one without any doubt. |
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