GOP Congressman "Thought About Packing" Firearm to Fend Off Protesters

[proud2BlibKansan]

Conservative Rep. Randy Kuhl (R-NY) has been under intense pressure for months over his continued support for President Bush's war policy. In an interview yesterday with the editorial board of the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, Kuhl said he has "thought about packing" firearms to fend off protesters:

Kuhl said that he wasn't at his offices when the protesters in Bath and Fairport were there. When I asked him if he had ever protested, he said "Yes, when I walked off the floor in Congress recently." I asked if that means he thinks the protesters have a right to do so and he again said "yes, just not over the line." He said that the types of protests have caused him to rethink security at his offices and that means securing doors. He said they are "more protective now" and that he "thought about packing."

Watch video of Kuhl being confronted by opponents of the war: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/08/08/gop-congressman-thought-_n_59677.html

Rep. Kuhl: Just Joking About Packing Heat

You can imagine how startled we were to read that Rep. Randy Kuhl (R-N.Y.) is considering arming himself in the wake of war protests at his district offices.

According to an editorial published Wednesday in the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, Kuhl - a man alleged to have once pulled two shotguns on his then wife at a 1994 dinner party - "has thought of arming himself, given the perception -- not accurate, he said -- that he is an inflexible supporter of President Bush's approach to the Iraq war."

The editorial board's blog quoted Kuhl as saying he has "thought about packing" in light of the perceived security threat to himself and his offices.

The paper's editorial admonished Kuhl, saying "any step along security lines may have a chilling effect on communication between constituents and a public official." Hinting that those who may disagree with Kuhl's stance in support of the Iraq war might be too intimidated to speak out if their congressman is packing heat, the editorial said, "It's more important than ever that ordinary citizens believe they can interact with their elected representatives without impediment."

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2007/08/rep_kuhl_just_joking_about_pac.html

[proud2BlibKansan]

1. Police Seize Cameras, Arrest Photographers and Solicit Information on Other Media at Anti-War Prote

Police Seize Cameras, Arrest Photographers and Solicit Information on Other Media at Anti-War Protest

Fairport, NY - Police arrested three anti-war demonstrators for allegedly trespassing at the privately-owned district office of Congressman Randy Kuhl (R - NY), apparently on the orders of Welker Property Management, the landlords. Two of the three arrested were carrying signs related to "9/11 Truth," including Wendy Painting, one of those arrested, who is a member of "Rochester 9/11 Truth" and an Indymedia reporter.

Painting says all of those arrested were press members. She says that police confiscated her camera and later used its conditional return as incentive to provide information about other cameramen at the event.

"I was told that if I identified the other people taking pictures, I would be allowed to keep my camera."

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/070807_camera_confiscated_911.html

[RufusTFirefly]

5. That white-haired guy in a short-sleeve checked shirt looks like a natural-born killer

Rep. Kuhl has a Constitutional right to protect himself against all enemies foreign and domestic. Don't you liberals realize we're at war?!

[rodeodance]

6. things are really getting dangerous for protesters----This wil have a chilling effect.

[RufusTFirefly]

11. What neocons want to do with "anti-war people"

I lie on the beach with Hillary-Ann, a chatty, scatty 35-year-old Californian designer. As she explains the perils of Republican dating, my mind drifts, watching the gentle tide. When I hear her say, "Of course, we need to execute some of these people," I wake up. Who do we need to execute? She runs her fingers through the sand lazily. "A few of these prominent liberals who are trying to demoralise the country," she says. "Just take a couple of these anti-war people off to the gas chamber for treason to show, if you try to bring down America at a time of war, that's what you'll get." She squints at the sun and smiles. "Then things'll change."

Ship of fools: Johann Hari sets sail with America's swashbuckling neocons

[derby378]

14. Either that, or protestors will start arming themselves as well

What, do we want to turn war protests into some sort of arms race? His comments were irresponsible.

[RufusTFirefly]

16. Oh yeah. Arming themselves. That would be so like people advocating peace. n/t

[derby378]

18. My point exactly

Many of the peace protesters I've met are gentle to a fault. Therein my sarcastic point about peace rallies escalating into armed camps. Although, gathering how some police are now starting to treat these gentle folk, I'm surprised that more protesters haven't started displaying "muscle" to ward off lawbreaking cops.

[Decruiter]

20. You know us well Derby. We can't afford to display muscle, just smarts.

Especially here in Dallas.

Peace.

(give ginbarn a hug! Our thoughts are with you the two of you always)

[derby378]

21. Smarts is always good...

And yes, I definitely will pass that hug along.

:hug:

[rodeodance]

8. "Yes, when I walked off the floor in Congress recently."

When I asked him if he had ever protested, he said "Yes, when I walked off the floor in Congress recently."

[billbuckhead]

2. Remember NeoconRifleAss posterboy Congresscrook Duke Cunningham?

"Cunningham recently told the Washington Post that Democrats blunting Republican legislation “ought to be lined up and shot. I’m talking about the liberal leadership.”

In February, Cunningham made similar remarks about Vietnam War protesters to a Blade-Citizen reporter. “I would have no hesitation about lining them up and shooting them,” he said. “Those people should be shot for what they did to us over there.”"
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http://dukecunningham.org/bibliography/ncbc19921010.html

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. Kuhl not only supports the imperial Presidency

he is also for the Imperial Congressman--ready and willing to pop off a few rounds to scatter the peasants who dare challenge what His Greatness is doing.

Hope a good Dem wins that seat next year--and that the local Democratic Committees are filing away this story to use in the election.

[immoderate]

4. Video of "dangerous radicals" is hysterical!

Does Kuhl think they're going to gum him to death?
:rofl:

--IMM

[proud2BlibKansan]

13. Yes, I kept waiting for them to so something outrageous

and I waited and I waited . . .

[rodeodance]

7. I think that if an ordinary citizen talked of packing it----they would be arrested

even if they said it jokingly

[zabet]

9. So he is saying, he has considered shooting someone for

disagreeing with him. Repuke :puke:

[DinahMoeHum]

10. Wanna help kick that asshole out of Congress in 2008 ??

Eric Massa for Congress:

http://www.massaforcongress.com/

:kick:

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

12. must have been an interesting dinner party

[jody]

15. Kuhl supports H.R.1399 "To restore Second Amendment rights in the District of Columbia" as we Dems

say in our platform, "We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearms, and we will keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists by fighting gun crime, reauthorizing the assault weapons ban, and closing the gun show loophole, as President Bush proposed and failed to do."

See http://www.democrats.org/pdfs/2004platform.pdf

[proud2BlibKansan]

17. So are you agreeing with him?

[jody]

19. Just stating a fact regarding the Dem Party support for the Second Amendment. The article

was narrowly about "thought about packing" and I assume that meant Carrying a Concealed Weapon (CCW).

I believe law-abiding citizens in 39 states can apply for and shall be issued a CCW permit. See Handgunlaw.us

[Paladin]

22. You And Rep. Kuhl Play Nice, O.K., Jody?

Sounds like he's a new poster boy for our resident Gun Dungeon "Democrats."

[jody]

25. The Dem Party supports the 2nd Amendment and that means law-abiding citizens exercising their

natural, inherent, inalienable right to defend self and property as Pennsylvania and Vermont stated in their constitutions of 1776 and 1777.

Do you support the Dem Party's position on the 2nd?

[proud2BlibKansan]

23. Does that justify this rep wanting to carry a weapon

because of the protesters at his office?

[jody]

24. The Dem Party supports the 2nd Amendment and that means law-abiding citizens exercising their

natural, inherent, inalienable right to defend self and property as Pennsylvania and Vermont stated in their constitutions of 1776 and 1777.

Do you support the Dem Party's position on the 2nd?

[proud2BlibKansan]

26. And that has what to do with this Congressman's desire to carry a gun

because of anti-war protesters?

[jody]

27. If law-abiding citizens are prohibited from carrying a concealed weapon, then the congressman could

not carry a handgun.

In other words, if gun-grabbers are successful in banning handguns in violation of the 2nd Amendment as supported by the Democratic Party, then all law-abiding citizens are affected.

If anyone wants to beat up on any politician for her/his position on some issue, then I'll pile on if the politician's position opposes the Democratic Party's platform.

In this instance Kuhl's position on the 2nd Amendment is the same as our party platform.

I would hope Kuhl has many positions that oppose the Democratic Party platform and I see no reason to try to pillory him for his position on the right to keep and bear arms when that position is identical with the Democratic Party platform.

[proud2BlibKansan]

28. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with CCW

Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch! You didn't read the OP, did you? And I am sure you didn't watch the video either.

NO ONE IS SAYING HE HAS NO RIGHT TO CARRY A GUN!! THAT IS NOT THE POINT HERE.

The point is that it seems rather silly for him to feel threatened by a group of mainly senior citizens who are only guilty of standing outside his office and reading to him AFTER they have been trying for months to meet with him.

Fancy that, an elected official who not only refuses to listen to the people he is supposed to represent but also goes on the record saying he wants to carry a gun to protect himself from these people. They are PEACE ACTIVISTS. ELDERLY PEACE ACTIVISTS.

Okay I am done with this. If you don't get it now, I don't know how much simpler to make it.

[jody]

29. OP said "GOP Congressman 'Thought About Packing' Firearm"

and the word "packing" in the context of firearms means CCW.

You can google "packing firearm CCW" to increase your knowledge of this topic.

I'm so glad I was able to clear up your misunderstanding of this point.

[proud2BlibKansan]

31. So you think it's okay for this republican congressman

to carry a gun so he can shoot peace activists.


You bet I understand.

[jody]

32. Where did you get "shoot peace activists"? Nothing in the article remotely said that nor have I said

anything that could intelligently be construed to suggest that.

As I pointed out the OP said "GOP Congressman 'Thought About Packing' Firearm" and the word "packing" in the context of firearms means CCW.

Our Democratic Party says "We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearms" and that specifically means the right of law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons, specifically handguns for self-defense.

Does it bother you that a Repug congressman wants to exercise a right supported by the Democratic Party?

Last time I checked, the Democratic Party to which I belong supports freedom of speech.

Do you object if a Repug congressman wants to exercise his freedom of speech?

If not then what is the difference between "Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearms" and freedom of speech?

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. I'm done with you

Get off your second amendment bandwagon.

[jody]

35. I assumed you wanted to discuss the 2nd because you started this thread about packing firearms.

Have a nice evening. :hi:

[iverglas]

38. sometimes ya just can't beat jabberwacky

http://www.jabberwacky.com


iverglas: Do you support the Dem Party's position on the 2nd?
jabberwacky: No, do you?
iverglas: Do you support the Dem Party's position on the 2nd?
jabberwacky: I support people. I don't support oppression.

Once again, I swear I am not making that up.

Some bots make sense. Some don't.

[badgerpup]

30. Boils down to if he's packing, it's because he's PLANNING to shoot.

I'm sorry, but you don't carry any kind of weapon with the purpose of NOT using it...and carrying concealed doesn't deter people; "Whoa, he's got a gun! Better not hassle him!" because it IS concealed.

Sounds like he's just itching for an excuse.

[jody]

34. "don't carry any kind of weapon with the purpose of NOT using it"! Do you object to our Democratic

Party platform that says "We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right to own firearms" which includes carrying concealed handguns for self-defense?

I and millions of law-abiding citizens routinely carry concealed weapons for self-defense, not as you say "with the purpose of NOT using it" but for the purpose of using it if needed.

I keep a spare tire and a fire extinguisher in my car for the same purpose of using them if needed

[billbuckhead]

36. But a majority of even more millions people don't want all these guns all around

All this "gun rights bullshit" is a tyranny of the minority, an armed and dangerous minority that hates democracy. It's only because we've had crooked elections that the gun lobby has been able to wreak it's terror on this nation.

[badgerpup]

37. Please don't drag me into a Second Amendment argument here...

...and a spare tire and fire extinguisher are NOT weapons...
unless and until you really really need them to be. :hi:

I'm talking about attitude. Some people I would trust carrying concealed because they are NOT jerks who think that a gun makes them a Big Man (of either gender)...and then there are other people I wouldn't trust with a blunt pair of cuts-paper-only scissors. Again, attitude.

The way the congressman phrased things sounded as though he would have welcomed an excuse to shoot (or at least threaten to shoot) someone if they got in his face and annoyed him.

[proud2BlibKansan]

39. I think we can phrase it a million different ways

and some will take it back to a second amendment argument regardless.

Can't see the forest for the trees.

[jody]

40. SCOTUS said government is not obligated to defend a person unless she/he is in custody.

Self-defense is a personal problem.

Guns are simply the most effective/efficient tool available for law-abiding citizens who wish to exercise their natural, inherent, inalienable right to defend self and property.

The OP talked about "Packing" Firearm to Fend Off Protesters. "Packing" in the context of firearms means carrying a concealed weapon and assuming the speaker is a law-abiding citizen, that's exercising her/his Second Amendment as we say in our Democratic Party platform.