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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:52 PM
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Rove's off White House Payroll -- Will That Free Him to Play Even Dirtier Tricks?
http://www.alternet.org/story/59592/

Rove's off White House Payroll -- Will That Free Him to Play Even Dirtier Tricks?

By Rick Perlstein, Common Sense. Posted August 13, 2007.

Karl Rove's "leaving" the White House, but it's worth considering what he can do on the outside that he was hindered from doing on the government payroll.



The smart money says Rove is quitting ahead of one or more indictments, and here's hoping. There is, however, precedent for speculating that he's not really "leaving" at all.

The precedent, as is so often in this administration, is Nixonian. In the Nixon Library's newly released tape of the President's phone conversations shortly before, on, and after Election Day 1972, the longest is Nixon and Chuck Colson riffing out their second term plans -- most especially for a new "information and counterattack capacity in the White House" that would be more durable, and better deniable, than the one that got them in trouble with Watergate.

The idea is for Charles Colson to leave the White House with great fanfare, as if riding off into the sunset after a job well done. He will establish a law firm that will actually be a political front working for Nixon: "I wouldn't call it 'Colson,' something like that," Nixon says; "I would just say, "Washington Associates," or something..a good, high-sounding name." It would serve as a base the usual Nixonian work of manipulating and intimidating the media; and, intriguingly, a new idea, establishing a new polling firm, scrubbed of its origins in the White House: "I mean, the point is, let's just get the polling done our way."

Colson was also to work to establish, as another White House front, a think tank, perhaps having one of Nixon's most loyal donors, DeWitt Wallace of Reader's Digest buy out the American Enterprise Institute so they could take over its administrative capacity: "They're right at the verge of becoming what we want," Colson explains.

Meanwhile Colson's "replacement," a young staffer named Ken Clawson will be the inside man, coordinating Colson's new satellite office -- "a place for the nut-cutting." Clawson fit the bill admirably. He was an accomplished White House ratfucker and author of the "Canuck Letter," a fake letter sent to a New Hampshire newspaper accusing the Democratic frontrunner in early 1972 of using a racial slur.

As often on these tapes, what we have here is a mere tantalizing hint of wheels within wheels, some of whose operations ended up fully revealed, some of which did not. This one, as it happened, never got off the ground; Colson proved too busy trying, and failing, to stay out of jail (may history repeat itself!).

But here's the question with which I'd like to leave readers, especially the lawyers among you: What more can Karl Rove achieve for Bush and the Republican Party outside the White House than inside it?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:53 PM
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1. That is one of the scenarios bouncing around in my head all day
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 04:56 PM
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2. yes and I highly recommend this thread.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:00 PM
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3. Rove "quitting ahead of one or more indictments"
Can't he still be indicted once he's out?
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ladywnch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:07 PM
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17. of course he can still be indicted .....jr and company can still
be impeached after they're gone. leaving the administration does not absolve anyone from crimes they've already committed. impeaching them after the fact also bars any of them from EVER holding any offices for the rest of their lives. Rove can still be indicted, convicted and imprisoned (assuming jr doesn't give him a pardon for all his prior 'service' to the country.)
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:03 PM
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4. "I mean, the point is, let's just get the polling done our way."
You betcha...
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:13 PM
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5. The abruptness of the resignation gives me a grain of hope
Edited on Mon Aug-13-07 05:14 PM by rocknation
that it wasn't up to Rove. "Leaving at the end of the month" sounds fine until you remember that the month is nearly half over.

:headbang:
rocknation
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:14 PM
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6. I agree...
I think this is in preparation for somehting else to come. Off the payroll and out of the glare of the WH, Karl can do his evil bidding much more easily and with little oversite.

Not for a SECOND do I believe that it is anything else...
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VP505 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:18 PM
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7. I too have
had that thought all day long, can't help being so cynical when it comes to that White House bunch of______. Fill in your own word, LOL.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:21 PM
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8. Rove has been one of our rallying points
and now he's going to disappear. His hand will be there behind the scenes, but now we can't point the finger at him, because he's "retired to texas" :puke:

I really don't see this as being in our favor.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:31 PM
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12. well
shouldn't his access to classified info at least be curtailed at this point? If he's off the payroll, surely there is no "need to know" anymore to my way of thinking.

In fact, his communications with the WH should be monitored. Shouldn't be too hard to do now that warrantless wiretaps are OK :shrug:
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:49 PM
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13. Things I would like to see
but I have to ask, what are you smoking? :smoke:

Rove will have full access to Bush and Cheney, and the same stuff will be going on day and night for the next 15 months, including whatever undermining is required for 2008, assuming the election is still on the books.

Oh, and that wiretapping law? That's for the special people, not for us. :argh:
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:01 PM
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15. sorry
I forgot to include this thingy in my post :sarcasm:

:blush:
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 06:03 PM
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16. n/p
it sounded like :sarcasm: but I try not to assume things around here.

You're cool! :hi:
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:26 PM
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9. He never let being in the White House stop him
from dirty tricks. Free him up, my ass. He's a pig.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:26 PM
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10. Doesn't this alter his 5th Amendment right? Exec. privilege?
Now I am forgetting just how this may affect the rules regarding any court appearances he may/will have. This changes some of that.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:51 PM
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14. If the wh can 'claim' executive privilege w/the Tillman case, I think
they at least think they can still protect him. That hasn't been challenged yet.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-13-07 05:26 PM
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11. rove is not gone just out of the media eye ....I have seen this play before
had a manager they promoted out and thought she was gone - well they never totally took her off and 5 months later sent her back to evaluate all of us - before officially sending us on to the next manager
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