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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:25 PM
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"Sen Reid traded wiretapping for a Bush promise to not make recess appointments."
Thom Hartmann talked about it on Tuesday.

I think Thom's correct.

What else is part of this deal?

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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:26 PM
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1. the other part of the deal is....
PSYCHE! You first, suckers~!
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-14-07 11:27 PM
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2. Hmmm
want to speculate some more.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 12:53 AM
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3. The thing is, Harry could call special sessions and thwart a recess. He traded wire-tapping
for a summer vacation--if there's any truth to that at all.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 12:59 AM
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5. if true, that's the way I see it too.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 06:59 AM
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9. Yup
They're just lazy.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 12:57 AM
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4. That's like saying
"I'll either smack you in the head with this 2X4 or I can kick you in the nuts. Your choice."

Was there really no third option, Harry?
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 03:20 AM
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6. I think it's pretty obvious that they traded wiretapping for Rove.
Cuz wiretapping was an outright felony committed by Bush. That had to be taken "off the table." (WHAT table, Nancy?) It came down to Bush's neck or Rove's. Rove (a la Libby falling on his sword for Cheney) took the hit for Bush. Although, this presumes that impeachment really was ON the table. And that somewhat clashes with my other theory....

...that Pelosi traded impeachment for no attack on Iran (and getting rid of Rumsfeld).

Hard to argue with not having WW III, if that's what she did.

Though I think there's the possibility it wasn't all that benign (on her part), that is, that the world has not been well prepared enough for the attack on Iran, and so it may have been put off for Hillary's reign. (The Draft, too.)

I go way back, you know. My first vote for president was in 1964. I voted the "peace candidate"--LBJ. And what I got for that vote was TWO MILLION people slaughtered in Southeast Asia.

Beware of Democrats bearing peace.

Beware of Democrats shredding the Constitution because they don't have the spine to enforce a subpoena on a White House political operative.

But the problem is not really with what they're doing now. Well, yes, what they're doing is a problem--couldn't be worse, in fact. But it was all made inevitable when they (our Democratic leaders) supported electronic voting, run on 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, owned and controlled by Bushite corporations, back in October 2002. You see, right there--October 2002, same month as the Iraq War Resolution--you could have predicted that the 2006 Congressional elections would MAKE NO DIFFERENCE on the war or on fascist policy. By supporting the rigged voting machines, they guaranteed that they would "not have enough votes" in Congress to stop the war, or impeach Bush-Cheney, or even to deny Bush/Cheney EXTRA spying powers. Our Democratic leaders DIDN'T WANT a majority that would act in the interests of the American people. That's the long and the short of it.

And they STILL support the rigged machines, the "trade secret" code, the Bushite corporations' privatizing the 'counting' of our votes.

Sometimes I think they're scared shitless--not without reason; other times, I just throw my hands up in despair. But our Democratic leaders' support of the rigged voting machines always sobers me up, chases despair away--oddly--and gives me hope that the American people WILL restore democracy in this land. If our party leadership was being sincere with us, they never would have permitted the installation of these machines, or, at the least, they would be dismantling this rigged system NOW. Are they doing that? No. The "trade secret" code is the most 'black-holed' issue of them all. Not even Israel surpasses it for zipping up Democratic leaders' lips.

So, whatever they think they're doing--or are in fact doing--they are NOT being sincere with you and me and the rest of the American people. They don't believe in democracy. They believe in backroom "deals." They believe in underhanded, sneaky support for corporate rule and war profiteering. They may think that's best for us, those who aren't total cynics. It's certainly best for the moneyed class (in the short term). They may even feel patriotic, if they are up against the threats of madmen (which I don't rule out). But you can't really call it democracy. And if you think about their continuing support of the "trade secret" vote counting, their failure to warn us, and their failure to get rid of it, you really have to class them with the oiligarchs, as to lies and hypocrisy, and disloyalty.

It's the voting machines, stupid! That WAS the coup. And that gives us a strategic goal--Step One for restoring democracy. Un-rigging the elections.





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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 03:48 AM
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7. what's next on the list to "trade away"
is reid auditioning for host job of the new "LET'S MAKE A DEAL"?
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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 06:52 AM
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8. Anyone who trades anything for a Bush "promise"
Deserves exactly what he gets..

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