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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:06 AM
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The Human Race deserves
Edited on Wed Aug-15-07 01:08 AM by hyphenate
whatever it gets, don't you think?

Let's face it. The dinosaurs were around for millions of years. In fact, roaches have been around longer than that, even. Humanity, in all of its "glory" has been around for roughly 3 million years, give or take a few 1/2 million years. And in the minuscule amount of time we have existed we have put a major dent into the world--and not a good one at all.

Pollution. War. Garbage. And a whole lot more.

Nah--this isn't the first time this has been discussed, and it certainly won't be the last. But at least this time, some of us really are afraid of what's coming.

And no, there will be no rapture. And no, we will likely never make it into space as colonists of other planets. And no, the future of Earth as part of a rosy "Star Trek" scenario will never be (More like Soylent Green or Max Headroom or Blade Runner, if you ask me). In fact, if the human race makes it past the next 93 years until the next century, I would be surprised. We can close our eyes and dream, but it's when we open them again that the future is even more clear.

Religious fanatics hoping to "push" us toward Armageddon, just so they will have a better chance at sitting next to their god;

Rich assholes the world over with the express intent of making this a slave/master world again;

Politicians who really don't give a shit about their constituents only about how well-paid they are by lobbyists;

Countries where the "gun" is the only law, and if you don't like it, say goodbye to the world and hello to a six foot deep hole in the ground;

Third world nations where the people are so destitute that dying is preferable to living;

Countries so filled with oppression that everyone is terrified of saying anything at all;

Countries where families kill female babies because they are only allowed one child and boys are preferred;

Countries where it's okay to have fathers rape their daughters;

Countries where AIDS is as common as a cold, and medicine is as rare as a diamond;

Places in the world where having even one meal a day is considered "eating well."


What have we wrought? And why do so few see where we're going?
This was once the greatest country in the world. Granted, we never had an empire like the Brits. Granted that haven't been as inventive as the Romans and the Greeks. Granted that our store of knowledge has been severely lacking in many areas, but we had freedom, we had the ability to progress in the world, and we could pursue whatever goals we wanted without bowing down to anyone. But those days have changed.

We're no longer a free nation. You try shouting that GWB is a fucking asshole on a street corner and you'll find out exactly how long it takes to have an Agent Mike on your doorstop hauling you off to Gitmo.

You try owning a house of your own and see how many hoops you have to jump through to get a mortgage.

You try getting anything better than a basic high school education, and you will find yourself indebted for the rest of your life.

You try making ends meet with a single paycheck coming in and you will know futility.

You try to buy a car and you will soon discover it's nearly as bad as buying that house.

I would love to see our citizens live without credit cards. I would love to see people going without the latest electronics "toy" or managing to survive without that cellphone pressed to their ear (actually, now with the latest Bluetooth technology, they don't even need that cellphone in their ear), but it ain't gonna happen anytime soon. Science fiction authors have written for years about the dangers of technology, but few could ever see the dangers that they now embrace eagerly.

And it brings me back to the first observation. We're doomed. We are fucking doomed. And we have come so far, so fast and so completely, that caution is the last thing people want to express.

I spent an hour one time talking with someone about how the children of today are losing the basic tools of coping, and of something as simple as common sense. He asked me if the kids of today aren't smarter because they have far more technology and the ability to use it. But I still, even now, say, no. Technology to our children is as commonplace as swinging hula hoops and riding a bicycle was to most of us. There is an ever widening gap of those who can handle cataclysms and those who cannot. And those who refuse to learn the basics are never going to be able to do things which count far more than the technology of the ages. I gave up being appalled at the spelling that I see on a daily basis. And I shudder to think of more and more graduating from high school without knowing one damned thing. History? Little to none. Science and math? Who are you kidding? English? Uh, huh--sure. Spell anything with more than two syllables in it (and don't rely on a spellchecker, for crying out loud!). Critical thinking? Uh, yeah--Creationism and ID versus evolution? I don't think so.

Let's just agree on something, please? We aren't going to get any further along any evolutionary track unless the religious right coughs up some blood and dies; until nations around the world share at least some common ground; and until the 1% of the population that controls the top 1% of the money in the world finally loses it and it ends up in the hands of the other 99%.

But then, don't quote me. I've already decided that I have a wonderful fantasy life, and it sure beats living there than it does in the real world.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:09 AM
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1. All I can say - and also toss in a kick, is this:
http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/day_the_earth_stood_still.htm

The day the earth stood still. Free online to watch and ponder over.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:10 AM
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2. One of the BEST MOVIES EVER! eom
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:11 AM
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3. I am watching it now, reminds me of:
A stranger in a strange land for some reason :)
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:19 AM
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7. Yes!
And I love your take on what it reminds you of.
I was 6 years old when I first saw at the back of my parents car at an outdoor drive-in movie, The Day the Earth Stood Still, I am 60 now, as you can see, it made and indelible impression on me (of course I have seen it since).
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:23 AM
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13. Well join me watching it online tonight :)
Seen a few times in the last week - that and "It's a wonderful life" all on the same web site.

I have hope, because I think in some ways we have been through much worse as a human race.

We have gotten worse in how we can kill one another, but we have also progressed in how we can help each other as well.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 11:10 PM
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42. I like your last sentence
"We have gotten worse in how we can kill one another, but we have also progressed in how we can help each other as well."

Here is hoping the help each other wins out! Cheers!

:toast:
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 04:55 AM
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21. I was thinking of Idiocracy, although I haven't seen it
Edited on Wed Aug-15-07 04:55 AM by CGowen
http://imdb.com/title/tt0387808/

Private Joe Bauers, the definition of "average American", is selected by the Pentagon to be the guinea pig for a top-secret hibernation program. Forgotten, he awakes 500 years in the future. He discovers a society so incredibly dumbed-down that he's easily the most intelligent person alive.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:12 AM
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4. Sorry, I'll stick with optimism.
Another prophet of disaster
who says this ship is lost
another prophet of disaster
leaving you to count the cost
taunting us with visions
afflicting us with fear
predicting war for millions
in the hope that one appears


People with your attitude are the problem, not part of any kind of solution.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:17 AM
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5. Amen. People are acting like this is the most difficult trial in American history.
Obviously, they forgot the American Revolution. And the War of 1812. And the Great Depression. And Watergate. And Reagan. And ...

Well, you get the point.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:19 AM
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8. Personally I grow weary of self-hating humans. n/t
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:21 AM
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11. Amen. There are a lot of good things happening around the world.
Like the fact that Bush will be gone in less than two years!
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 02:20 AM
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17. Oh come on.....bush being gone in two years doesn't mean shit....just like rove leaving....
we've never addressed Iran-Contra ~ the drug war, and illegal war of aggression on Iraq.....and on and on. We really can't just elect "a better liar" than gwb.....which is what I *think* people are hoping to do. I hope that we will elect someone who will stop LYING TO US! Geeez!
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 02:28 AM
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18. Funny, Clinton was a pretty good liar, especially to Americans. Things worked well under him.
nt
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 02:40 AM
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19. Lucky Bill.....he can come up "smelling like a rose" b/c
the guy after him was such a total loser/screw-ball. (Clinton did a lot of things that I think we won't appreciate until we can 'look back through history' a bit....but I'm not positive about that point. I've been wrong before, God knows....)

Happy now?
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:18 AM
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6. Could be worse, could be raining
:)
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:19 AM
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9. Sorry
I used to be more optimistic. Some friends even used to call me a Pollyanna. But along with a clinical depression and ever increasingly worse health problems, I've found that optimism is in short supply. And this administration certainly hasn't brightened the future for me. I do find a few rays of sun, though--coming to DU is one of them. But my days are progressively filled with pain, fatigue and the inability to do much more than muddle through. So if I'm a doomsayer, it's not from not trying to see a better side of things.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:21 AM
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12. Sorry to hear it...
All this is tough enough to bear without all of that on top of it.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:59 AM
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16. Medication. Seriously. I don't think it's for everyone, but some people really can benefit.
Other than that, man- change the channel in your head! Rent some old Mel Brooks films. Read a funny book. Seriously. There's no point in wallowing.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 08:36 PM
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36. Been there, done that
Still on one of them. Not really helping, overall. But it doesn't matter. I've gotten more tired along the way, and don't have the ability anymore to think that a better day is coming. I've gotten to a place where every fibre of my being cries when another day of this farce of a "government" sits and farts in our collective face and we just grin and bear it.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 07:53 AM
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25. Do you think your personal problems might have an effect on your outlook?
If so, how would that effect the vslidity of your forecast?
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 08:37 PM
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37. I'm sure it does
But our health always has a direct bearing on who we are, what we think and how we react. I know I'm not isolated in that respect. :)
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:12 AM
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27. I agree...
I agree that optimism and hope are in terribly short supply in this country; yet I don't think my own personal over-abundance of it can act as an effective counter-weight to trendy cynicism.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:25 PM
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31. Well, at least you know you're not alone...n/t
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:26 PM
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33. That is not optimism -- that is denial.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:29 PM
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35. Whatever
I'll believe in the End when it comes. Before that, I'll work to keep it away.
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Dark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:20 AM
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10. I find it ironic that you talk about not knowing history when you don't seem to know it yourself.
Edited on Wed Aug-15-07 01:21 AM by Dark
Ever heard of the War of 1812? You know, when an invading army BURNT OUR MOTHERFUCKING CAPITOL TO THE GROUND?

Or how about the Great Depression? You know, when what, ONE-FOURTH of America didn't have a job.

What about the Cuban Missle Crisis? You know, when it seemed as though nuclear catastrophe was imminent?

Get a mother fucking grip.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:27 AM
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14. wow, thanks for the little ray of sunshine
you know we all have these thoughts but is there anything positive to be accomplished by sharing our discouragement?

on a positive note -- to be honest i think the kids of today ARE smarter than we were or at least the ones i've talked to are, they are SCARY smart, all this early exposure to tech clearly exercises the brain in ways my generation never knew

too soon to give up hope if you ask me

i believe aids/hiv will be cured, i also believe that new tech is going to come about for building homes more cheaply so people won't be forever indebted (it will almost have to in the coming era of global climate change and mass migration) -- some of your other issues, yeah, i don't see the way out but it doesn't mean it isn't there and that there aren't bright people working on the problems



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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:12 AM
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43. Kids of today may be smart, but they've never been tested....
here it comes!

Hang on moms & dads......
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:20 AM
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44. It could happen, but it just won't......
'the powers that be' don't want it/won't let it happen.....and there's not a d*mn thing you (or *I* can do about it).

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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:57 AM
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15. "We're doomed. We're fucking doomed." One, speak For Yourself.
Edited on Wed Aug-15-07 02:04 AM by impeachdubya
Two, I agree with Mythsaje- I'll stick with my optimism, thanks.

The planet doesn't think in terms of "blame". The dinosaurs existed for 300 million years, and they were killed by an asteroid. Not because they were evil, not because they were greedy, not because they overextended themselves on Adjustable Rate Mortgages... but because, in a chaotic, tumultuous universe, these things happen. Why? If you need a "why", the only one that makes any sort of sense is because, perhaps, they didn't evolve the technological ability to see it coming. The technological ability to stop it. And what smashed into Chixulub was far more devastating -in a manner of seconds- to life on this planet than we will aspire to be for a very long time. There was destruction, and out of that destruction came change and more change and eventually us.

Now, for better or worse, the planet has evolved something of a central nervous system. A paranoid schizophrenic, delusional nervous system with multiple personalities, perhaps, but some of that could be chalked off to a typically difficult adolescence. Blame? Bullshit. There is no blame. Not for asteroids, not for us. We are, certainly, the most destructive thing that has happened to this planet in a long time. We're also the most interesting thing that has happened to it in a long time.

It's funny, you rail against the religious right, but you have merely transmogrified man the God-sinner into man the greed-sinner and man the eco-sinner. Naughty humans! Bad, bad, bad, evil people! Keep it up, and you'll be as much fun at parties as the fucking pope, dude. Are we making mistakes, destroying our habitat, engaging in non-sustainable practices? Absolutely. Could some of those end up being our undoing? Certainly. But for one, as George Carlin has observed, The Planet will survive, with or without us.

Depressing? Scary? Many of us grew up during the cold war- maybe you did too. Let me refresh your memory about what was lurking in the collective unconscious during those days. The knowledge that the total destruction of all human civilization was just hours away at any given moment, held back by the wise and knowing guidance of highly capable, sane and rational human leaders, folks like Richard Nixon--- or Nikita Kruschev.

I'm not saying there aren't problems- big problems- but for what it's worth, this is a fascinating time to be alive. 30,000 years ago the most interesting thing going on was being chased by a sabre toothed tiger. 3,000 years ago 30 year olds were the elderly. 300 years ago indoor plumbing was a luxury.

"We're doomed! We're fucking doomed!" If you're right, then what difference does it make? Beyond that, why do you feel the need to convince everyone how shitty everything is?

"There will be no star trek future". Call me old, but we're already living in one, sort of. "There will be no space colonies". Yeah, and you can't have your pudding if you don't eat yer meat. I'd advise against making ANY sweeping predictions about the next 5 years--- much less the next 500. One thing I'm pretty sure of? George Bush will go down in history as a reactionary blip on the screen of history. A pimple on the ass of the Wall of Presidents. ...Who knows what is around the bend?

Want my advice? Take a breather, dude. Go outside. Go for a walk. Look at the stars. Catch a movie. Masturbate to some internet porn. Do what you need to do, because, frankly, "we're fucking doomed" is kind of a silly, useless mantra.



edit: I'm not trying to sound harsh here, Hyphenate. If you're really depressed, you should see what you can do about it. There's no point in going through life miserable, even if we ARE fucking doomed.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 08:51 PM
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38. I understand that there are going to be people
who lead happier existences, and people who lead less happy lives. It's inevitable that our opinions on the future will vary accordingly. That's to be expected, don't you think? I wrote this to give my own current feelings, and I would not anticipate my posting to change anyone else's immediate thoughts on the topic. Many people will read this and nod their heads affirmatively, while others will feel that my outlook is not in any way relevant to their own opinion. That's fine. I speak for myself, and everyone else does the same thing. I hope, though, that I caused someone to at least think in a way that they didn't before.
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 03:16 AM
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45. Against optimism
even the gods contend in vain.

I found my students to be overly optimistic. Energy crisis? Bah, some scientists somewhere were working on that and will come up with cold fusion or whatever. I certainly am not gonna conserve or recycle. Give me an SUV! Give me a huge house and turn the A/C down so I can be cool even in a suit-coat and turn the heat up in the winter so I don't have to wear sweaters or long-underwear. Over-population? That will be taken care of automatically as the world industrializes. Global warming? Just a myth. It won't be a problem, and whatever you do, don't ask me to give up any indulgence to help solve it.

Doom, however, is a common theme at DU. We are loaded with chicken-littles proclaiming that the sky is falling, or it is about to fall, with Jeremiahs proclaiming doom because of our sin or because of the power of the BFEE.

It is hard, though, to retain optimism, or hope, given the direction, the stupidity, and the venality of the last six years as well as the timidity and impotence of the Democratics party's resistance. It's even harder with Hillary as our candidate. 2008 has the potential to be as disgusting as 2000, 2002, and 2004.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 03:45 AM
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46. The danger is allowing optimism
to blind one to the dangers. I believe we CAN do a lot to fix things, but I don't assume that it's going to happen without working toward it. I want to see a candidate with a clear vision for the future, and a belief that we have the ability to do damage control, and seek out new ways of generating and store energy.

That's what your students don't seem to get, based on what you say. It's one thing to think that someone's going to take care of it, it's quite another to remain ignorant of the issues and what, precisely IS being done about it.

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Exultant Democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 04:19 AM
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20. Yeah, well I beg to differ,
You make many good points, but despite all the horrors can't you see the beauty of the human race too?

For the most part I agree with everything you say, but I draw a different conclusion. The Human race doesn't deserve the horrible end that may be on the horizon anymore then a two year old girl deserves cancer. I guess in the end shit happens and a few bad cells are all it takes.



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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 05:07 AM
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22. Megatron: Humans don't deserve to live! Optimus Prime: They deserve to choose for themselves!
If humans don't change, then they have chosen to die because the current course is simply unsustainable.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:15 AM
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29. Wisdom from the mouths of Transformers
Giant Robots, is there anything they can't do?
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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 06:47 AM
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23. Chicxulub
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 07:45 AM
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24. The human race sucks and I know we will become extinct one day
The sooner, the better for the planet.

Almost all species become extinct sooner or later. Simple biological fact. We are not special; we are simply animals with bigger brains and pretty damn useless at that.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:02 AM
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26. Sapience changes the rules of the game.
one we start colonizing space our civilization will become practically immortal.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:14 AM
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28. Yeah well we'd better hurry on that project
If we can terraform Mars within 30 years we might have a chance.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:28 PM
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34. Actually, it would appear that (even) sapience has been unable to change the rules of the game.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 01:25 PM
Original message
Evil outlook.
Must suck to hate yourself that much.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:00 PM
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39. Don't hate myself
Not really. I just find it difficult to paint a bright picture of the future right now. Not that I expect everyone to feel that way, mind you. But no; I don't hate myself "that much" as you put it. I'm just world weary and tired.
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 03:54 AM
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47. So am I...
I'm 40 years old, I am trying to make my childhood dream actually PAY me something, I'm working a low-paying retail job, I've got a run-down house that is drastically in need of repair in so many areas I don't know where to start, my kids live all the way across the state, their mother can barley afford to pay her bills and I can't help much more than I already do, I hurt ALL the time, I'm seriously concerned about the way this country is going right now, and it looks as though just about the LAST person I'd want is going to get the nomination for the Democratic candidate.

What I'm NOT is depressed. I'm frustrated about a lot of things, but I know that the only way to lose is to give up. I know the only way not to see what you envision become reality is to stop taking the steps necessary to bring it into being. Sure, you might fail, but surrender is worse than failure because you'll never know if you COULD have succeeded.

I won't give up on myself, America, or the human race. I just won't.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:17 AM
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30. Television dreams of tomorrow, were no the ones we were meant to follow...
green day - American Idiot.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 09:03 PM
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40. Thank You For Your Concern.
I, however, am concerned at your thinking you'll be around in 93 years to be surprised...
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 10:14 PM
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41. Oh, yeah!
I forgot to mention-I'm going to leave enough genetic material behind to be cloned when the new century is dawning. :rofl:

(Thanks for the laugh--I needed one!)
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