If you oppose abortion, vote Democratic!

[Perry Logan]

Isn't it interesting how Democrats always beat Republicans at their own game?

Government grows less under Democrats (Truman and Clinton even made the Federal government smaller).

The GNP grows more under Democrats.

The poverty rate goes down under Democrats, up under Republicans.

Democratic administrations even spend more on the military than Republic administrations.

Democratic and liberal policies also tend to reduce the abortion rate. Check out these selections from Cristina Page's article "What Pro-Choice Presidential Candidates Should Be Saying"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cristina-page/what-prochoice-president_b_59991.html

"Scanning the globe we discover the countries where abortion is most rare have the strongest pro-choice policies. The countries with the strongest pro-life policies are the ones with the highest abortion rates, often twice our national average.

"We witnessed the most dramatic decline in abortion rates ever recorded during our first pro-choice presidency, that of Bill Clinton's.

"As Governor of Texas, Bush committed to the full pro-life agenda and sunk large sums of public money in abstinence-only programs that prohibited discussion of contraceptive use. When he left office, the rest of the country was enjoying dramatic declines in teen pregnancy rates, while Texas ranked dead last in the nation for the decline in teen births.

"School districts in the conservative South are almost five times more likely than in the liberal Northeast to teach abstinence-only. Southern states also have the highest rate of new HIV/AIDS infections, the highest rate of STDs, as well as the highest rate of teen births. Whereas new cases of AIDS decreased or remained constant in the Northeast, Midwest, and West, the South alone experienced an increase. Seven of the 10 states with the highest Chlamydia rates, all of the states with the highest rates of gonorrhea, and nine of the top 10 states for syphilis rates are all in the South where the pro-life abstinence-only agenda is the order of the day."

[Pharaoh]

1. hey Perry

This is much better than those videos you make. Very good post, K&R

[Perry Logan]

3. This post is much better than most of your posts.

[BlooInBloo]

19. Aight - we've been watching too many Sonic commercials, folks...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7_SzV_57WY

:rofl:

[Strawman]

2. It's not about saving the fetuses. It's about repressing the imagined sexuality of the Other

It's these miserable petty-bourgeios, sexually-retired middle aged and elderly whites who just don't like the idea of other people fuckin' when they can't. That resentment and anger is displaced onto the issues of abortion and sex ed.

So it doesn't matter to them if it "works." It's about acting out.

[Perry Logan]

4. The right-to-life movement is just white guys who hate women.

[piedmont]

13. There's a LOT of women in that movement, too.

Dunno why, but they're there.

[Yael]

5. I think that is grossly unfair

I come from a long line of people who are Democratic to the core but vote Republican -- not because they want the government to legislate morals (or in our bedrooms) but because they believe that every child conceived should have a chance.

Most of these people are evangelical and *clue alert* despite what the media says, could care less about gay marriage, guns or what happens outside of our borders (wars). They are driven by "save the child".

It is sad, but in 41 years of walking this earth (ok, 39 years given the 'walking' learning curve), I have watched them agree with the Democratic stance on issue after issue after issue and then pull the lever for whatever suit is running as 'The R' on this wedge issue.

[Crowdance]

8. It must have been difficult to grow up with such irrational people.

I'm sure this isn't the only area in which they behaved irrationally. I imagine growing up with folks who think this way brings benefits when trying to make sense of the craziest of our craziest world.

[Yael]

10. Thanks. Politics + Thanksgiving Dinner is always a joy

Heh

[Crowdance]

21. I guess the practice is good for you. You have a very steady attitude.

I can't say I manage to stay even-tempered with my fundamentalist relatives. So I tip my hat to ya'.

[nini]

11. Whether we like it or not this it is a fact that people will vote R over this one issue

This is why we have to beat the facts into these people's heads to not fall for the emotional issue the Repubs will never let go of - this is why they didn't pass legislation that really pushed the issue. They went after the 'partial birth' crap because it made them look like they were doing something but they need the abortion issue to keep some of those truly Demo voters who switch over one issue.

For whatever reason these Dems do this and no matter how much it makes us nuts we have to address it. We're losing too many votes to the dark side because they're playing this issue better than we are.

[Yael]

17. Thank you! Very eloquent.

This was what I was trying to say, albeit a poor job of it. (did I just end a sentance with a preposition?)

We have got to break through this wedge issue as there are some (like my elderly Mom, God love her) who would pull (R) for whatever empty suit they put out there over this issue alone.

[sandnsea]

9. Until their daughter gets pregnant

Then every evangelical teen-ager I have ever known takes a visit to her aunt's in the city, and coincidentally has a miscarriage.

[Yael]

14. That is my point

There are so many hypocrites in the (R) party that I would twist my brain into a knot trying to document it all.

You made my point better than I did. One Issue Voters. Both parties have them. On abortion -- it matters not to people who are pro-life whether their administration will sell them down the river for a nickle -- they "didn't vote for the abortion guy".

Here is my standard rant:

"No matter the candidate or who is elected, pro-choice is here to stay. NO ONE is going back to back-alley abortions. Even if their heart and soul were in it -- it isn't going to happen. Ever. So you voted for a guy who ran on a meme of 'I am against abortion'. Tell me, what in ~30 years has the collective 'he' actually DONE about it? You are voting for candidates that would sell out your Social Security checks if they thought that it would put another $1 into their stock values over a meaningless piece of lip service."

I usually get the deer-in-the-headlights look at that point, but many have heard the rant from me so many times that they just wave it off. It is The Pro Life Guy or nothing for them.

Argle...

[sandnsea]

20. wrong rant

"How many years do you think these baby killing teen-agers should serve in prison?? I think they should get the death penalty, just like every other murderer."

Then back them into a reasoned position from there.

[DutchLiberal]

6. If you are in approve of abortion, vote Kucinich.

(Sorry, couldn't resist.)

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

7. lol

whatever

i give an 'a' for creative melodramatic manipulative bullshit, though

congratulations

[nini]

12. huh?

the OP had very valid points.... :shrug:

[Donald Ian Rankin]

15. I think this is a point worth repeating.

There's no point telling Republican voters what we want them to want to hear; we have to convince them that their *own* values and terms of reference will be best supported by a Democratic government.

[Yael]

16. 'ZACTLY!!!

Thank you

[smokey nj]

18. If you oppose abortion, don't have one.