Giuliani is Vulnerable in so many ways.... TPM details One The National Media Has Overlooked..LINK

[Blackhatjack]

Giuliani is vulnerable on so many fronts, but the evidence of his open and notorious affairs and serial marriages has been well documented. So why has the MSM failed to cover this aspect of the Republican Candidate for President?

I can understand that Democrats want to keep their powder dry until the General Election begins in earnest. Yet many top Republicans know this is a political mine field should Rudy get the nomination. Why are they not getting the bad news out now long before the primary and general election?

Could it be that the number of affairs and marriages spans such a long time period that it is impossible to get it all out there without more more popping up?

THis TPM piece reminds us of the type of 'character defining' exploits Rudy can expect to be confronted with if he becomes the Republican nominee.


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/016612.php

"Your "Clinton's sexual impulse control" crack got me thinking. It's not easy to choose Giuliani's most outrageous sexual escapade, but I think from the standpoint of evaluating his fitness for public office, his fling with Cristyne Lategano takes the cake.

Let me refresh your memory, in case the details are a little hazy. Lategano was working as Giuliani's Press Secretary when their affair began, and was later elevated to Communications Director. When the affair ended in May of 1999, he installed her at the helm of the city's tourism bureau, a $150k/year plum. Lategano, now married, denies that anything improper took place, but Rudy himself has issued a series of artful non-denial denials. His ex-wife, Donna Hanover, has blamed Lategano in public statements and court papers for the demise of her marriage. Wayne Barrett, a sort of dark Boswell to Rudy's Johnson, assembled a vast amount of circumstantial evidence backing the allegation. And no one who moved in those circles bothers doubting it for a second; the affair was, by its conclusion, common knowledge in the city - what would once have been termed 'open and notorious adultery.'

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[liberal N proud]

1. Damn librul media!

:sarcasm:

[saltpoint]

2. The media may not cover the angle of Rudy's many wives.

They'd have to run an aerial photo to get them all in the picture.

And that's expensive.

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Il Douche

Giuliani is bad news.

[Blackhatjack]

4. May explain why Rudy's daughter is an Obama supporter ....n/t

[TreasonousBastard]

5. It was covered locally quite a bit at the time, but...

I don't understand why it should be a big deal now. The simple truth is that nobody really seems to give a shit about these domestic problems.

It became a big deal with Clinton, but look how much money and energy to get traction on any of the stories. And it was still never about the blowjob, but lying about the blowjob.

[Blackhatjack]

6. So Why Are the RW Conservative Fundies Not Being Called Out for Supporting Rudy?

Rudy carries no official RW Conservative Fundamentalist Membership Card on the abortion issue.

Certainly not on the 'sanctity of marriage' issue.

And on the issue of 'adultery' --well, there would have to be some real professional parsing going on to differentiate between Rudy and Clinton on this one.

[Clark2008]

11. Because the fundies aren't supporting Guiliani.

They're either with Huckabee or are waiting on Fred Thompson.

That's why.

[Blackhatjack]

13. I heard that line... but the polling indicates otherwise.

Fundies are making up a portion of those polled, and Giuliani could not poll 38% without some support from Fundies.

Granted the official position of the Fundie leaders is that they will not support a candidate that crosses them on their core issues.

But the polling does not back up the proof in that pudding!

[spanone]

7. adultery only applies to democrats.

:sarcasm:

[Pastiche423]

8. Google Giuliani + Vanity Fair

and you will find plenty on his and wife #3. Between them they have had six marriages.

More is to come.

[npincus]

9. "Terror Alert: Judi Giuliani" on Sept Vanity Fair cover

I got my copy already... I don't think it's on the newstands yet. :rofl:

[Pastiche423]

10. Is it worse/better

than the previous Vanity Fair articles?

[npincus]

12. you can read the whole thing here:

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/09/giuliani200709



Not sure about the previous ones, but this is an in-depth profile of the Mrs.

I think I corresponded w/you recently on Judi, Judi, Judi... was it you? You said a network of her past acquaintances were collecting info on Judi back when she was a mere social climber not a princess. You had alluded to some stories and possibly pics... could you please throw me a bone on that? I think she's a major weakness for Rudy's candidacy, which is our biggest threat to winning in 2008. And he would be a DISASTER as president: B*sh with a brain.

So, anyone working behind the scenes to shine the light on these roaches is performing a public service!

Throw me a bone! (please) :)

[Pastiche423]

15. This is the same article that's been online for a while

The one I am waiting to read, is the September print edition. It's on the stands in NYC. My g/f's sister got it and read it to her over the phone.

If I can't find the magazine here in my small town, Janet's going to send it to me.

Judi! will be Rudy's downfall, if Rudy doesn't do it himself. It would terrify me to know that our next president is taking advice from his princess. She can't keep her mouth shut and diplomacy is not in her vocabulary.

[npincus]

16. I think it's the same

I have the September print edition (got it by mail last week)... admitedly didn't read this one online, but read the last page and it looks the same.

[Pastiche423]

17. I thought most magazines would not put an article online until

some time after it hit the stands. Damn! I wanted to read more dirt!

I guess I'll have to wait until the article that I will be quoted in comes out. I'm usually not a gossip, but what she did to my circle of friends has my mouth moving.

[npincus]

18. sorry, I think that's it.

She came off quite cloying and pathetic, I thought (at the end). My guess is he's getting tired of her and thinks she's a large liability. And I believe the published rumors that he cheated w/Texan Starr Shepard... she's telegraphing all sorts of lust for him on her MySpace page. And the bit she said at the end of the article, about having heard things about "his family". Well, well. Who ELSE could she be referring to? Not his ex-family, but his current one (wife #3). She is auditioning remotely for the job. No doubt the 2 of them already did the humpty-dance.

Judi's position is quite precarious; my guess is that if Rudy fails, she's OUT. I am just guessing that she never told HIM about the first husband and he was immensely pissed at that deception. Certaily he would have advised her to come clean about it long before had he known. If Giuliani is one thing, it's not stupid.

Hopefully there will be MORE published on Judi to come, and hopefully the digging will go deeper.

I wonder why Bruce Nathan hasn't really dished on her lies yet? Is he dismissed as a hostile ex-husband? I'll bet he can prove a lot of what he has to say.

[Pastiche423]

19. No worries

Bruce is talking - a lot. He lives in NY now and is probably talking to the same reporter that I will be.

I do worry about their adopted daughter, though. Have you read this article?


Updated June 15, 2001, 4:30 p.m. ET


Nathan asks court to get her daughter help


NEW YORK (AP) — Mayor Rudolph Giuliani's girlfriend Judith Nathan asked a judge to intervene to get professional supervision for her teen-age daughter after the girl was attacked by a dog that mangled her face.

It's the latest chapter of Giuliani's bitter divorce and the concurrent custody dispute his friend Nathan is fighting with her ex-husband.

The 16-year-old girl has been living with her father, Bruce Nathan, since December although Judith Nathan officially has custody.

The attack happened Wednesday at a friend's home that the girl was not supposed to be visiting.

Nathan, a former nurse, said her daughter's jaw was mangled so badly that she could see a muscle protruding from the wound. The girl later had about 10 hours of plastic surgery, Nathan said.

"I'm asking for professional supervision because clearly her father can't control her," Judith Nathan told the judge Thursday. "We need some help, some intervention."

The girl is already fighting "anorexia and all of the things a 16-year-old battles in New York City," Nathan said. "I've been taking her to a psychiatrist for anorexia for two years. Living w/Judi, it's not surprising that the daughter has problems.

"I'm asking that she is supervised," Nathan said. "I'm asking for her sake. She needs help."

Bruce Nathan has alleged in court papers that his ex-wife was spending most of her time with Giuliani and her concern for their daughter had become secondary. Moreover, he said, his daughter preferred to live with him and does not get along with Giuliani.

More: http://www.courttv.com/archive/national/2001/0615/nathan_ap.html

[npincus]

20. how awful, poor thing... but she is 22 years old now

a grown-up, possibly living on her own. I'd be curious to know her political affiliation; wonder if she's an Obama girl like her step-sister Caroline? That would speak volumes as far as loyalty to Giuliani goes. You may want to bring that up w/the reporter, see if he/she has inquired, as an interesting and telling nugget of fact. Not to invade the young lady's privacy, of course... but her privacy will disappear anyway should her step-father become the nominee and God forbid,the president.

How telling that Giuliani's kids can't stand him and Judi's kid (speculating) can't stand her. Parents from Hell, take a bow. A Selfish, greedy, power-mad, self-absorbed duo that deserve each other. I heard Rudy's got $72 million bucks now! Gee, whoring the ashes of the dead really pays well. 9-11's become a regualr cottage industry for Rudy and his cohorts.

I don't know if you perused my thread yesterday: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1591433&mesg_id=1591433 But to my horror and amazement, Giuliani had a "private suite" with a private elevator at 7 WTC-- he took Judi there (presumably for x-rated activities) before their relationship became public and certainly while he was Donna Hanover's husband. Taking that one step further, why DID Giuliani insist that the Emergency Command & Control center be located "within walking distance" of City Hall- he was advised not to do that by his own staff. The alternate site in Brooklyn was recommended. I posited that the convenience of meeting his girlfirends for private moments (might have) played in his disastrous decision. Is that true? Who gives a f*ck. Does FUX ever worry about veracity of their claims against our candidates? They put it out there and their evil work is done (who can forget the Swiftboat Vets for Truth?) It's pretty damning, if the MSM would ever ever go there. Oh wait, they only obsess over Democrats' infidelities, I forgot.

When do you expect this reporter to publish his/her piece? He/she is going to be under a lot of pressure not to.

[Pastiche423]

21. The reporter is w/the New Yorker

He told my friend that is trying to gather us together, that he is at the outline stage. Apparently lots of people that have known her, from the time we knew her until the present are coming forward.

You can't go through life like Judi has w/o earning a ton of enemies. If she hadn't hurt so many of my friends, I would have stayed out of it. In two cases, these were life long friendships that she tore apart. My next door neighbor at the time, had gone to elementary school through high school w/Bruce Nathan.

There is some big money (republics) that are backing this reporter, so I believe it will be published.

[npincus]

22. interesting

I hope the publication is timed to have an impact on the primaries. Please. I am so rooting for Romney, even McCain... Hillary (it's looking like she's been annointed) might stand a chance against them, but I dread the outcome if Rudy's the nominee. So far he's been a very resilient candidate, considering his social liberalism (though he's backtracking on that). He lived with 2 gay friends (lovers) after Donna threw him out of Gracie Mansion. Hopefully, Rudy will alienate them by cozying up to the GOP's homophobic wing and they will speak to the press about Rudy's real views on gay relationships (very supportive).

Also, I hope these unflattering anecdotes about Princess don't end up on the cutting room floor. You'd think the Vanity Fair journalist had gotten an earful, but the article didn't contain any bombshells. The fact that Rudy forbade Judi's parents from talking to the media... wtf is that all about?

Do you know if there's any solid proof that she lied about her biography and/or resume?

In my opinion, if information is presented in the article that portrays her as a pathological liar and schemer, then that would likely be FATAL to his candidacy. Please, that's gotta be where it's going!

And if that happened I'd say: Karma is truly a b*tch! That Rudy's mendacity has finally caught up to him, he's reaping what he's sown (and all the other aplicable sayings). And in the process, may his reputation and businesses be irreversably tainted, along with that 9-11 halo... good-bye $150,000 per 9-11 speech.... if only.

[tblue37]

14. And one reason why he moved his command center to WTC

Tower 7 was so he and Judith Nathan, his mistress at the time (now his wife), could take the private elevator to the lttle lovenest he had set up for them there.

Lower Manhattanite of The Group News Blog, a spin-off from the late Steve Gilliard's marvelous News Blog, has an ongoing series of articles about Giuliani's ethical and personal problems and about how he dumped on so many people on his way to the top that they are all taking turns dribbling this stuff out as the primary season and election campaign progress. Here is a link to The Group News Blog:
http://www.thenewsblog.net/
The writers are four of the best regular readers and commenters from Steve's old blog. If you've not been there yet, you should go and check it out. You'll love Lower Manhattanite's take on what Giuliani faces from all the enemies he has made by acting like an evil creep during his entire public career and in his private life as well.