Beyond "My Pet Goat": Karl Rove's Role on 9/11

[kpete]

Although everyone in the world, it seems, is familiar with the "My Pet Goat" photos,
I think this one -- though far lesser known -- is as much, if not even more scandalous.

Beyond "My Pet Goat": Karl Rove's Role on 9/11
Posted by Michael Shaw at 12:00 PM on August 15, 2007.

Michael Shaw: A photo in a New York Times "Goodbye Karl" slideshow sheds new light on Bush and Rove's behavior that fateful day.



The photo, as you can tell from the clock and the TV screen, was taken at 9:25 am on the morning of 9/11/2001
at Booker Elementary School in Sarasota, Florida.

...........

Given the detailed timelines available from that morning, we know well how George Bush spent 10 very long minutes reading a story to a group of second graders. He entered the classroom room at 9:03, and he was informed at 9:06 by Andy Card that a second plane had crashed into the World Trade Towers, but he didn't finish up with the kids until 9:16.

What is much less familiar, however, is how Bush spent the next fifteen or twenty minutes.........
According to his original pre-"attack on America" schedule, Bush was slated to give a speech to the Booker Elementary student body at approximately 9:30. So, thirty-nine minutes after the first crash (which Bush was aware of by approximately 8:55); and nineteen minutes after hearing about the second crash; and with the fate of America supposedly hanging in the balance, what do you suppose Bush had in front of him and was working on?

Yep, it's the speech he ended up writing, then delivering, four minutes later to 200 elementary school students,
along with some teachers and a handful of reporters.

If Bush's actions confirm his incompetent, pre-formulated, performance-by-rote, what, in addition, might the craft and composition of the photo indicate? In this moment of extreme crisis; 13 minutes before Flight 77 would slam into the Pentagon; with the atmosphere rife with speculation that numerous highjacks were in progress, can anybody say there wasn't still time for posing?


more at:
http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/59848/#more

[Richard Steele]

1. Recommended without comment.

[wicket]

4. and another

:kick:

[aquart]

2. I've always thought he was establishing his alibi.

His reaction was so off, so not natural, it jarred me from the first second. EVERYONE else turned on the TV as soon as they heard, HE maintained his schedule. Which is what a criminal establishing an alibi would do.

He was concerned with being seen as NOT TO BLAME. Look, I was reading to little children. I'm as innocent as the driven snow.

[KansDem]

5. There are still some very confusing facts that day...

Bush claims to have seen the first plane fly into the WTC; attributes it to a "bad pilot..."
Bush sits and does nothing when told of the second plane, as if he's letting this whole tragedy play itself out...

These facts, coupled with the close relationship between the Bush Family and the bin Laden Family, and considering the influence the Saudis have had on the US president and members of Congress of late, could only lead lead me to believe that Bush et al know more about 9/11 than they have claimed.

I only hope a real and thorough investigation into 9/11 will be completed in my lifetime.

[Kikosexy2]

69. As they say...

connect the dots and follow the money (and arms)....inside job? hmmm?

[november3rd]

72. Jail Congress

Congress is complicit, too, because they have aided the coverup by not investigating honestly and thoroughly.

[Old and In the Way]

22. He was off script at that point.

77 and 93 were delayed about 20 minutes in taking off from their airports. So they had to let events catch up with their timeline. That seems to be why Bush is killing time, looking lost and confused in the classroom.

Why would POTUS go and hide away for the rest of the day? Personally, I think they were off getting their collective stories ironed out, out of public view.

Isn't that a moment a "war pResident" is made for - to show the country his steely resolve? Why not fly directly to DC or NYC to make a public, hi-profile speech and be part of the historical moment? Instead, he went AWOL. If he didn't know, wouldn't he have been demanding an immediate, public investigation throwing all resources of the federal government in getting to the truth? Instead of doing everything possible to obstruct it?

[irislake]

58. I agree 100%

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Meyers just did not behave like "innocent" people. Although they were responsible for protecting your country not one of them lifted a finger to do so. They did not even drop everything and rush to the nearest TV to see what was happening as normal (innocent) people did. The entire world was watching except for that bunch who were sitting on their hands until the terrorist attacks could unfold. (Duh!) ("Golly, who could ever imagine ....?")("You mean that first plane wasn't an accident? Jeez our country must be under attack. After I finish this photo op I'm gonna danged well do something about that!")

I think the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania was meant to hit the Capitol Building and wipe out a lot of troublesome Democrats. Then they could have declared martial law and the coup would have been complete. But that failed. I think THAT is why Bush flew around for hours. They probably decided it was not wise to declare martial law with so many Democrats to protest and devised the Anthrax attacks to keep the Democrats discombobulated while they tried to cook up their alibis and defang the press. (Not that it needed to be defanged.)

I have never given two hoots whether the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition or not. (Looked kinda obvious they were though!) And who cares what hit the Pentagon? (NOTHING should have hit the Pentagon! What was Rummy doing? Why weren't anti-aircraft guns used? Or F16s? Totally ridiculous!)

Their behaviour was just SO damning! Didn't act like innocent people at all. In MY country they never would have got off the hook. They got away with murder and it was so obvious that I guess Americans couldn't believe it.

Well I guess you are starting to believe it now. Watch for the completion of that coup. Maybe a "dirty bomb" attack on the Capitol Building and Iran gets framed for it. Something like that.

[daveskilt]

65. the pentagon plane went through my friends office

He wasn't in the office at the time - they rotate 'weekends' and that day was the first of that wings 2 day off for the week. The adjoining wing as has been widely reported was closed for renovation. The plane could not have hit a less inhabited part of the building at a less inhabited time.

The area was then closed to first responders for three days. only those with security clearance were allowed to be part of rescue and cleanup - which consisted largely of destroying any documents that were found to have survived

[Carni]

70. Also: South Tower mostly empty over certain floor

I cannot recall how many floors were primarily empty in the south tower, because my memory is hazy...but a good deal of the top of the south tower above where the plane hit was being remodeled and was empty on 9-11 (if people hadn't been amassed in the sky lobby wondering if they should go up or down there would have been even fewer casualties in the south tower because that is the area where the plane slammed into the building)

I don't know what that proves, but it certainly made me go hmmmm when I initially read about it!

Lots of lucky coincidences that day in regards to planes not filled to capacity, buildings that hold 70 thousand (combined not being) filled to capacity etc etc--
I guess bush would have us think those were all miracles from God in his honor, but I tend to think there are a few too many coincidences for this all to be random! JMO

Additionally when it became apparent that there was a terrorist attack underway didn't bush's prescence in that school make those children a target? Wouldn't the prudent thing have been to get the students and teachers OR bush out of that buidling ASAP (or both?) The fact that he remained in Booker T endangering the students for an hour or whatever has never made any sense to me whatsoever!

[Maraya1969]

102. I have thought about that a lot. Whoever planned those attacks sure

found a time where there would be a minimal loss of life.

That certainly is not Al Qua-ida's MO.

[colorado_ufo]

81. I had similar thoughts about the Twin Towers.

The timing was odd. Had the flights arrived later in the day, many thousands more would have been killed. Perhaps the schedule was that way to take advantage of multiple simultaneous hijackings to different locations, but this did serve to greatly limit the damage. Terrorist attacks almost always seem to target times and places where they can accomplish the greatest loss of life. The methodical - and rapid! - collapse of the towers added to the question of timing.

[ProudDad]

95. And destroying the evidence

that it wasn't an airliner that hit the building...

The cover-up is complete - long live the cover-up.

[colorado_ufo]

83. Excellent post.

Small note - there is a TV on in the background in the picture, although * is not watching it.

[colorado_ufo]

82. To me, he looked frightened.

Almost as if he was overwhelmed at what he had gotten himself into, and there was no turning back.

[Ezlivin]

3. He's no Commander in Chief - In my Navy we acted instantly

When General Quarters was called, we sprung into action.



How did Bush know there weren't planes headed toward his publicly known location?

How did Bush know shoulder-launched missiles weren't involved?

Supposedly he had no idea this attack was coming nor what form it would take. Yet he lingered at that damned school for more than a half hour.

What did the Secret Service do to Cheney? They hustled him out of his office and down to the bunker. Another source states: "Around 9:35 on the morning of 9/11, Cheney was lifted off his feet by the Secret Service and hustled into the White House bunker."

[flyarm]

24. the dog that didn't bark..why did the secret service not move him and the children

200 children out of the damn school??

how did they know they were safe to stay there??

since ATTA AND 3 OF THE HIJACKERS WERE ON ABRAMOFF'S BOAT the week before in Johns Pass /Treasure Island not that far from Sarasota.............

why were those children's lives put at risk??

the dog that didn't bark...

are we to believe the secret service wasn't given a "stand down"..in removing pissy pants from that school????????

yeah right...

fly

[april]

46. what ? was not aware of this ...Where is that story..link? plz

[MelissaB]

48. Here's a start:

http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2005/08/attas-big-gamble-plus-jack-abramoffs.html

http://www.madcowprod.com/06202005.html

[tanyev]

50. Atta and Sun Cruz?

FWIW, from Wayne Madsen:

“There is a weird report just a day or two after 9/11 that someone reported to the FBI that three or four of the hijackers were seen gambling on a SunCruz boat,” wrote a source in Miami. “The FBI interviewed everyone who might have seen them, that very day by all reports.”

Sure enough. We found an Associated Press story on Sept 26, 2001 headlined “SunCruz Casinos turns over documents in terrorist probe.”

“SunCruz Casinos has turned over photographs and other documents to FBI investigators after employees said they recognized some of the men suspected in the terrorist attacks as customers.… Names on the passenger list from a Sept. 5 cruise matched those of some of the hijackers... Two or three men linked to the Sept. 11 hijackings may have been customers on a ship that sailed from Madeira Beach on Florida's gulf coast.”

Less than a week before the 9.11 attack, Atta and several other hijackers were aboard one of Abramoff’s casino boats. What no one seems able to answer is this: What possible thrill could gambling offer men getting ready to die in less than a week? To this date, their Sept 5 visit to a gambling vessel overrun with retirees remains unexplained.

http://www.madcowprod.com/06202005.html

[Carni]

71. Yes, exactly that was my point too

Over and over I have wondered over the last five years why those children weren't immediately removed from that school OR why bush wasn't hustled out of there--it makes no sense and I cannot believe that would be normal protocol in a situation like that.

[aggiesal]

25. Cheney in Charge. VIDEO link of Maneta's testamony tells it all ...

His testamony was never published in the 9/11 commission report. Why?

Maneta claimed he and Cheney had evacuated the White House far earlier than the time (9:37am) indicated by the Washington Post story of Cheney's evacuation. (Maneta said he and Cheney were together and monitoring for some time the approach of AA Flt.77, which by 9:37am was already hitting the Pentagon.)

Maneta testified before the 9/11 Commission in a public hearing that he entered the Presidential Emergency Operations Center (PEOC) at 9:20 a.m. where Vice President Dick Cheney was in charge. In his testimony, Mineta explained that “probably about five or six minutes” after he entered the PEOC, he observed a conversation between Dick Cheney and a young aide.

MR. MINETA: … during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant. And --
MR. HAMILTON: The flight you're referring to is the --
MR. MINETA: The flight that came into the Pentagon.

Mineta's Testimony

[sce56]

34. The big question in Mineta's testimony is what were the orders "Don't intercept the plane"? I would

love to hear what the lowly airman's, who would dare to question the Veeps orders, side of the story!

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050724164122860
Unlike Rumsfeld who claimed to be "out of the loop", and Myers who was not disturbed from breakfast with Max Cleland, Mineta was able to provide a full account of his experience that morning. Mineta testified that he arrived at the PEOC at 9:20 a.m. and that Vice President Cheney was already present with his staff. The 9/11 Commission Report states that Cheney himself arrived at the PEOC at 9:58, a stunning 38 minute contradiction to Mineta's testimony.


Norman Mineta Confirms That Dick Cheney Ordered Stand Down on 9/11
Former Transportation Secretary Disputes 9/11 Commission Report Timetable for Dick Cheney and Reveals Lynn Cheney Was Also in PEOC Bunker Before Attack Former Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta answered questions from members of 9/11 Truth Seattle.org about his testimony before the 9/11 Commission report.

Mineta says Vice President Cheney was "absolutely" already there when he arrived at approximately 9:25 a.m. in the PEOC (Presidential Emergency Operations Center) bunker on the morning of 9/11. Mineta seemed shocked to learn that the 9/11 Commission Report claimed Cheney had not arrived there until 9:58-- after the Pentagon had been hit, a report that Mineta definitively contradicted.

Norman Mineta revealed that Lynn Cheney was also in the PEOC bunker already at the time of his arrival, along with a number of other staff.



Mineta is on video testifying before the 9/11 Commission, though it was omitted in their final report. He told Lee Hamilton:

“During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President…the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out….and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!?

Mineta confirmed his statements with reporters, saying "When I overheard something about 'the orders still stand' and so, what I thought of was that they had already made the decision to shoot something down."

Norman Mineta made it clear to reporters-- who verified his quotes in written text alongside him-- that Mineta was indeed talking about a stand down order not to shoot down hijacked aircraft headed for the Pentagon.

After no shoot down took place, it became clear that Cheney intended to keep NORAD fighter jets from responding-- evidence that Cheney is guilty of treason, not negligence for allowing the Pentagon to be hit.

Norman Mineta qualifying his previous testimony

[leveymg]

49. I agree that Cheney was in command, and that Mineta's testimony is key to

understanding what was and wasn't done.

I'd like to know who that "young man" is, and whether the Commission ever asked him what he understood those "orders" were.

They wouldn't put Bush in charge of a pizza run. They let him circle around in AF1 so that he would stay out of the way and not say something stupid.

[Fire Walk With Me]

37. "In my Navy we acted instantly"

People scramble in times of emergency, even if just to find out what is happening... And he did nothing. For minutes on end.

"In my Navy we acted instantly." -That's the difference between real people and chickenhawks.

[madhoosier]

77. The Admiral in charge of the fleet in Norfolk on 9/11 ordered them to sail without getting clearance

The Admiral in charge of the fleet in Norfolk on 9/11 ordered them to sail without getting clearance from Rumsfeld so they could provide a skycap over D.C. and NYC.

[Fire Walk With Me]

86. Did official clearance or orders ever come? That would be telling...

And good for him.

[grasswire]

6. I wonder if anyone has ever enhanced those pages...

...and read them. I'd like to see what they are.

[kpete]

11. oh boy

would I like to see that scribble!

[me b zola]

Probably asking permission to go to the bathroom

"Is the photo-op over yet? Can I go to the bathroom already?"

[DemGa]

7. Bushco did a good job of blocking information

The 911 commission didn't get an office until two years after 911, then was stonewalled.

But it is possible that Bushco is just this inept. The Katrina response as evidence.

[Mist]

8. IIRC, there's a similar pic of * at Booker that was thought to have photoshopped

elements in it:

[Myrina]

60. Compare the photos: who do you NOT see in the 2nd?

I'll give you a hint. His initials are KARL ROVE.

[EVDebs]

104. White House photo shows Rove. No photoshopping necessary

http://www.whitehouse.gov/president/september11/index.html

[blogslut]

9. That woman in the upper right, in front of the door.

Is that Harriet Myers?

[tanyev]

10. Ooh, good call.

From the horse's mouth:


Karrin, from OHIO writes:
Where were you on September 11th and what did you do?

Harriet Miers
Karrin, I was traveling with the President on September 11, 2001. So I started out in Florida. I was the President's Staff Secretary at that point in time, so I continued to do those duties. I was responsible for making sure the remarks he prepared to give to the Nation from Louisiana were properly prepared for him. It took some time, and the President saw me hurrying to give them to him. He said, "Good hustle!" He made me feel good that I was contributing. Typical. That was a remarkable day I will never forget. I will never forget how strong the President's response was to something so dreadful and so unexpected.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/ask/20040910.html

[defendandprotect]

26. The Harriet Miers nomination a later reward, perhaps . . . ?

[SpiralHawk]

12. MIHOP

[Perry Logan]

13. No, this proves there was not a conspiracy.

My mind seems to work differently from the mind of a conspiracy buff. It seems to me that--if 9/11 had been planned--the President would have behaved perfectly normally. Either he or his handlers would have set things up so as to make him look good. And the perps would definitely not want any strange behavior in the middle of the crisis. That would give away the hoax, you see?

[kimmerspixelated]

15. Yeah, but you're theory is for someone normal.

You forget-W is anything but!

[razors edge]

16. Bush trying to act normal

IS strange behavior.

Dick sent him to daycare so that he could go to work.

[defendandprotect]

27. THIS is not "normal" behavior for a president whose nation is under attack -- !!!!

THIS is strange behavior . . .
to be sitting still reading "My Pet Goat" when your nation is under attack.

What did you do when you first heard about the attacks?
Did you resume what you were doing or did you watch TV, wondering what was going on?

[noise]

31. It suggests concealment of foreknowledge

or complicity wasn't the primary goal.

We have the exact same issue with Iraq. People will point to the lack of WMD's and say "See. Bush and Cheney truly believed Hussein had WMD's. It makes no sense to think they set themselves up to look like warmongering criminals."

Bush and Cheney act like mafia bosses. They don't seem to care if their actions suggest culpability.

[CJCRANE]

41. But

he looks like someone who's trying to act normal in the My Pet Goat footage. That's his idea of normal.

[Larry Ogg]

56. And acting normal is exactly what he is doing, very inappropriate for the circumstance.

Planes, what planes? I don’t see any plans… I’m reading ‘My pet goat’ to my friends. Towers, what towers? I don’t know anything about any towers; I’m reading ‘My pet goat’ to my friends.

That’s it Gorge your doing great, just keep acting like you normally do, like you don’t have the slightest clue about anything, people will never suspect you had anything to do with it.

[frogcycle]

88. well, I continue to feel nothing has been proven either way

Your point is well take - IF the 2nd and 3rd planes had hit their targets within a tight timeframe. And if the fourth was supposed to hit either WH (Cheney already in bunker) or Capitol.

If he was supposed to stall just long enough for the 3d and 4th to be a done deal, have "plausible deniability" and then jump up and play bullhorn-man.

But when that got disrupted by delay of 3rd and failure of 4th, they had to invoke a quick "plan b" which involved the nutty flying around, staying out of contact, going to the airbase with the updated statement... and while they might have had an excellent plan for the intended event, they had not thought through what to do if things went awry. They scrambled, and all the inconsistencies resulted.

[ProudDad]

96. What makes you think gwb would have been "in the loop"?

I don't think he was told anything about what was going to happen or what really was happening...

His direct involvement was unnecessary and would have been counter-productive...

He's the PUPPET, not the puppet master...

[unknownnews]

14. Bush turns his back to the television...

After the first news bulletin on Sept 11 2001, I spent several hours watching news telecasts for updates. I don't know anyone who didn't watch the TV coverage, and frankly can't imagine anyone who wouldn't -- except, I guess, President Bush, who sat down at a desk with his back to the television as the catastrophe unfolded...

[The Wielding Truth]

19. Very odd behavior for an unexpected act of war!

He had to have known.

[Lugnut]

29. You're right.

I was glued to my TV as I think most people were. Welcome to DU! :hi:

[SaveAmerica]

47. Yes, his back is to the footage, not even caring what is going on.

How many normal Americans were riveted to the TV in disbelief? How many who thought that we were under attack started gathering survival supplies? But, no, W sits with his back to the TV and writes a speech? Even if it's not MIHOP, LIHOP or all you can eat at IHOP, this man does not deserve to call himself President of our United States of America.

And welcome to DU to you!!

[Larry Ogg]

62. Does seem a little strange....

I know as soon as I found out I didn’t take my eyes off of the TV until 11:00pm that night except to go take a leak.

But then I’m sure there is a good explanation such as:
Maybe he couldn’t bear to look at what he and friends had done? No that couldn’t be it, as that would imply he had a conscience.

Maybe he was facing the camera for a photo op and the American people would know he had nothing to do with it because they could see he was hard at work doing an essay on the book he just read,

And welcome to DU unknownnews

[knitter4democracy]

75. I remember sitting there, hugging our daughter and crying all day.

I don't think I took my eyes off the tv all day.

What a heartless SOB.

[kimmerspixelated]

17. Another astute observation, kpete!!

[robertpaulsen]

18. Karl Rove's role on 9/11? LYING TO COVER DUMBYA'S ASS.

White House lied about threat to Air Force One
By Jerry White
28 September 2001

snip

In a further column in the New York Times on September 13, entitled “Inside the Bunker,” Safire described a conversation with an unnamed “high White House official,” who told him, “A threatening message received by the Secret Service was relayed to the agents with the president that ‘Air Force One is next.’” Safire continued: “According to the high official, American code words were used showing a knowledge of procedures that made the threat credible.”

Safire reported that this information was confirmed by Rove, who told him Bush had wanted to return to Washington but the Secret Service “informed him that the threat contained language that was evidence that the terrorists had knowledge of his procedures and whereabouts.”

Two weeks after these astonishing claims, the administration has all but admitted it concocted the entire story. CBS Evening News reported September 25 that the call “simply never happened.”

snip

One thing is clear: the government lied to the people of America and the world. Either it lied on September 12 when it issued the story of the threat to Air Force One, or it lied two weeks later when it retracted the story. The millions of people who are being told they must accept unbridled militarism and the gutting of their democratic rights in the name of a holy war against terrorism must draw the appropriate conclusions from this indisputable fact.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2001/sep2001/bush-s28.shtml

[Holly_Hobby]

20. Why didn't the Secret Service whisk him away from the school?

How did they know he was safe? His plans for the school trip were public knowledge.

The Secret Service was the dog that did not bark.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

33. This is a question that has never been asked of the SS

"Why did you not act to protect the president once it was determined that our country was under attack and the Vice President had been rushed to safety?"

[terisan]

61. Yes and contrast with Cheney's statement that he himself was grabbed by the SS in the

White house and taken to a different location in the WH.

[Larry Ogg]

63. Daaaa… The school was probably the safest place on the planet.

If it’s true that the terrorist really wanted to hurt our country Bush would be the last person they would want to get rid of.

[nebula]

74. Bush was thinking: I think I'll stay put right here and put all these kids lives in danger

Elementary school kids make excellent human shields, after all.

[Name removed]

94. Deleted message

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[karlrschneider]

21. One of many questions that need to be probed and don't even need the additional

tinfoil whacko theories of 'controlled demolition', etc. The focus needs to be on this and related issues like how NORAD failed to find any of those clearly identified as hijacked airplanes. Who benefited from the highly unusual stock 'put options' just before?...that has never been, to my knowledge, been explained. Why did Ashcroft stop flying on any commercial airlines LONG before 9/11? There are PLENTY of questions that should be answered and it's not even necessary to pursue the simply goof allegations that go out into the stratosphere.

[defendandprotect]

30. Demolition is visible with the naked eye -- requiring weeks of work to put in place --

NORAD, of course, is a principal issue and Cheney has wired and reverse wired and cross-wired that one with four simultaneous training programs going on and many planes moved out even into Canada!!!

Obviously, it was a "stand down" arranged by deception.

It would be interesting to hear what Ashcroft has to say on this --

And, Brown of California has said that the warning he got on not flying on 9/11 came from Condi Rice!!!

I'd suggest you don't dismiss the demolition -- as I mention it is not only visible to the naked eye, it is visible in the evidence of molten steel and Thermite/Thermate -- it is apparent in the evidence of those who worked in the buildings and what they observed BEFORE 9/11 and especially the weekend before 9/11 --

and what Rodriguez and others experienced in the basements of the towers -- BEFORE the planes hit.

Catch up with that info --

[quickesst]

39. Yet....

the oct continues to focus %100 of their energy trying to quash the 9/11 truth movement, and completely ignoring their reasons for a new investigation, which leads one to believe, contrary to this claim, that quashing the truth is more important than the rewriting of history by the Bush regime. I've never heard/read the words by any oct, "We need a new investigation because ______." If it has been stated, it is too far and few between. It's always been about ridiculing those who seek the truth, no matter what that truth is. It's a foregone conclusion we have been lied to, so whatever mechanism that brings about a new investigation, whether it be mihop, lihop, or sheer incompetence, it is necessary that history not be mutilated to further the myths that medals and promotions for actions taken, or not taken that day, were justified. My grandchildren will know the truth about these "heroes". If history stands as it is, many children will not. Just my o2. Thanks.
quickesst

[Jawja]

45. And WHO

sent the weapons-grade anthrax to the media and key Democratic leaders in Congress soon after the attack?

That's an investigation that has completely disappeared. :shrug:

[GeorgeGist]

23. Cheney's in charge ...

Bush was just a prop with Karl's brain.

[defendandprotect]

28. Presumably Bush may not have known that this day was more than practice . . . . . .

So he might have been a bit shaken -- he looks it as he sits in classroom after first being told.

And, this picture is very telling -- as mentioned, a lack of interest in the TV reports.
On the other hand, we don't know who he's talking with and despite the papers in front of him ....
the phone conversation could have been about 9/11. Records would show who he was talking with?

Later, he goes off to Offet Military Base????
There's some kind of a party being held there -- ????

He's basically missing and flying around the country all day -- ????

At one point he's reported in a bomb shelter some where --

At another point, we hear that Air Force One is threatened with attack --

Ironically, it is Wm. Safire, a right-wing former Nixon lawyer, NY Times columnist who
challenges that statement -- and it turns out to be a lie.

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35. This Confirms

What I'd always believed. Even if you think that 9/11 wasn't an inside job.
The "let it happen" mindset has to kick in, if you know the full story. It is
really this simple. After the first two planes hit, w/more hyjackings being
carried out, the Pentagon yet to be hit, and now this shit, it's like this.

Would the most powerful nation on Earth, after it becoming obvious we were
'under attack', allow a low, very slow flying plane, long tracked and an easy
target, fly into its head office of defense, without one plane up and in the
the air ready to stop it? NOT UNLESS IT WANTED IT TO HAPPEN. PERIOD.

[Amonester]

87. The despicable war criminals in the PNAC wanted it to happen...

(not the most powerful nation on Earth... I mean, the honest civilians).

The despicable war criminals in the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), of which Darth, Rumsferatu, and herr bu$che's little brother were in... POSTED a long time before they stole the leadership the FACT that they would NEED a "new Pearl Harbor" in order to justify all the criminal crap they had put up and shelved, like the infamous Patriot Act.

These despicable war criminals for greed are still using fear to keep themselves above any law... :puke:

[Norrin Radd]

36. k+r

[Chipster]

38. Isn't that Harriett?

Isn't that Harriett Miers with the briefcase in the background, to the right of herrshrub's head? And the guy with the nuke football to his left?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

40. Have you ever seen the whole Booker School video? After he gives the speech

he stands outside of the school chatting with some people and in no apparent rush to get in his limo.

[HamdenRice]

42. K&R nt

[1776Forever]

43. My question is "What was he doing at a Florida school anyway - hasn't been to one since has he?"

Has Bush ever been back to a school reading a book since 9/11? I haven't heard of one. And why Florida? He has visited FL many times since but only for money runs for campaigns. Makes this look really fishy!!!!!!!!:hide:

[tomp]

59. among the brazillion questions i have is:

who were the four "arab" men who showed up asking to see the president at his hotel in the early hours of 9/11 and were turned away by the secret service?

[JuniperLea]

85. And why did he need Myers and Rove with him that day...

To read to kids?

[frogcycle]

90. not really

after 9/11 "everything changed"

not saying you are incorrect, just that there is a valid enough cover story that your argument can't get anywhere on its own

[TheUnspeakable]

44. k&r-it's absurd that the POTUS is told America is..

under attack-and he has no questions-what kind of attack? is it Nuclear? where? are we safe here?
it's insanity that no one has ever questioned that!

[groovedaddy]

51. And what the "idiot-in-chief" said about that day...

Bush at Townmeeting in Orlando, FL - December, 2001
"Well Jordan, you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually, I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower--the TV. was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, 'There's one terrible pilot.' And I said, 'It must have been a terrible accident.’”

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/12/2001120...

Bush at Townmeeting in Ontario, CA - January, 2002

"Anyway, I was sitting there, and my Chief of Staff -- well, first of all, when we walked into the classroom, I had seen this plane fly into the first building. There was a TV set on. And you know, I thought it was pilot error and I was amazed that anybody could make such a terrible mistake. And something was wrong with the plane, or -- anyway, I'm sitting there, listening to the briefing, and Andy Card came and said, "America is under attack.""

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/01/2002010...

[Old and In the Way]

103. These statements were made before the 8/6/01 PDB was released.

So, we know that this is BS. 6 weeks earlier the PDB talked about OBL determined to strike in the US, probably hi-value targetsin NYC. So he salted this story to the public as a way of saying he was as surprised as the rest of us....now, we know, it was a lie. So why did he tell it? Because he probably thought we'd never know about the PCB or the other numerous warnings that were ignored in the run up to 9/11.

[groovedaddy]

105. Uncle Dick was running this operation and its possible

that bush didn't know it was coming...they just showed him as it happened (the first hit on the WTC) via a closed circuit sat cast.
After bush said it the 2nd time (Jan. 2002), several days later he choked on a pretzel and scuffed up his face on a coffee table - more like uncle Dick bitch slapped him for a crude attempt at spilling the beans.

[subsuelo]

52. It still amazes me, even shockingly so at times

Just how many Americans still believe the official story.

[Jacobin]

53. WTF?

Its lovely how the media covers up shit like this.

[SpiralHawk]

55. MIHOP

It needs to be said again. MIHOP.

Traitors in the White House.

[redqueen]

67. Yeah... that wacky liberal media, always covering for repukes. n/t

[Virginia Dare]

54. There's Harriet fucking Miers in the background too..

she was always following around behind him covering his ass, or kissing it.

[DeeDeeNY]

57. It is hard to decide which of *'s actions was most outrageous

There are so many to choose from -- from ignoring the 9/11 warning signs beforehand to the bizarre way he acted that day.
But what really should arouse everyone's suspicions is the set of conditions he insisted on before speaking to the 9/11 commission: NO TRANSCRIPT, NOT UNDER OATH, AND ONLY WITH HIS PUPPETMASTER.

[HughBeaumont]

64. M-I-H-O-P, Go rot in jail with Dick Cheney!

Read The Terror Timeline. All documented facts. You got no missiles, pod people, holograms, grassy knolls, aliens, not even an hors d'ouevre of controlled demo or Pentagate when reading this book. It's all about putting two and two together and you absolutely cannot blame it on mere incompetence after reading this.

The incompetence theory cannot even BEGIN to explain how a supposedly iron-clad and highly advanced military, intelligence and other governmental programs which you give over half of your tax dollars to every year, performed a wholesale belly-flop on that day only.

Let's forget that several of the hijackers were on numerous terrorist watch lists and were still allowed to board airplanes.

Let's set aside the even more ridiculous notion that four planes were hijacked simultaneously and not a damned thing was done to stop them, save a few brave passengers and a missile.

How is incompetence supposed to be believed when considering that highly-trained-in-this-sort-of-situation NORAD and the FAA knew a full HOUR that two planes crashed into the WTC, and Flight 77 was STILL not only allowed to penetrate and fly all over sacred DC airspace, but crash into the heart of America's defense as WELL?

[redqueen]

68. I agree with MIHOP...

but many seem to just flat-out refuse to even begin to consider it... despite lessons from history in this very country (e.g. the Maine, Northwoods) as well as many others (Reichstag), which show that such actions are far from unrealistic.

I don't know of any way to argue against LIHOP, though... no way. I can't fathom anyone thinking ALL of that was due to incompetence and circumstance.

[helderheid]

66. .

[liberal N proud]

73. The very fact that the secret service did not rush him immediately

after the "attacks" were made known is suspicious. Then to sit there for another half hour and deliver another Prearranged speech. PROOF of the prior knowledge that at least his handlers had of 9/11.

[nebula]

78. Which is why

during the 9/11 hearings, Bush and Cheney refused to testify under oath about their actions on 9/11.

Dictators don't have to answer to no one.

[flvegan]

76. What's on the tv in the background?

That * is ignoring?

[SouthoftheBorderPaul]

79. I'm in NO WAY defending Bush...

But the author asserts that this photo catches Bush, during the critical moments after the attack, still working on his speech for the kids. Then later in the article, he mentions that the picture was staged to make everyone look like they were in control of the situation. If the photo was staged, why would they have left his speech notes in front of him. Furthermore, how can anyone conclusively prove that those are his speech notes at all? And isn't it possible the notes just happened to be sitting on the desk in front of him? Isn't it possible he's not referencing them at all? He is on the phone after all. You think he was rehearsing his speech with his speech writer? Um...doubtful.

I have no doubt in my mind that had a more competent commander in chief been in office in the months leading up to 9/11, the attack would have been prevented. And I really can't say enough bad things about this administration, but I really don't see how this photo proves anything of substance.

[frogcycle]

92. I agree

The notepad could just as well be stuff he has jotted down while getting briefed by someone - or, more likely staged to look like that is what he's doing. It might have been the speech, spread out by the photographer to LOOK like he was taking notes. There was probably not even anyone on the phone.

[Arugula Latte]

80. Bush's behavior was so bizarre when he sat there after being "informed" of the attack

I've always had the hunch that he knew something was up, but that his handlers had intentionally kept him out of the loop about what exactly would go down. It always seemed to me that he was thinking "Wow, I knew something was going to happen to give us our neocon/PNAC 'New Pearl Harbor' but I didn't think it would go this far!"

[JuniperLea]

84. Why did Bush need Harriet and Karl?

He was with school kids... why did he need these people with him?

[frogcycle]

93. well, I suspect he travels with an entourage

her role was personal secretary or some such at that time, and rove was his brain, so it doesn't seem surprising they'd be there. After all, you never know when something migh happen requiring a rapid response...

oh, wait...

[ooglymoogly]

97. Imo...it still needs bearing out

were they in fact always with him even on such insignificant events and I suspect they were,...if not however it is an important observation.

[ooglymoogly]

89. one more dot in the gazillion....

and the duh's keep rolling trippingly off the tongue. K&R

[ooglymoogly]

91. Deleted wrong place

[ben_meyers]

98. I still don't get what this photo means.

I've seen it many places in the last few days and it looks like Bush is talking to someone on one of the secure, scrambled phones that always travel with him. Cheney says in an interview with Russert that he had called Bush from a secure phone in the "bunker" after the SS had moved him. Or is Bush supposed to be talking to the conspirators and directing the attack?

[DemGa]

101. "Or is Bush supposed to be talking to the conspirators and directing the attack?"

Ha, ha,..good one. I think the OP is talking about Bush preparing for his speech as planned which seems out of place.

What's strange to me is that Bush went to the school at all, having already been informed that WTC had been hit by the first airliner....now that's effing strange.

[EVDebs]

99. The woman directly behind * is the NSA war room advisor

Capt. Deborah Loewer, U.S. Navy, Director of the White House Situation Room, National Security Agency who always travels with * to speaking engagements at elementary schools. I understand she's now an admiral.

[spooked]

100. THAT'S what told me it was an inside job

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=114370&mesg_id=114370