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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 05:33 PM
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IMPEACHMENT: Where we’re headed
Edited on Wed Aug-15-07 05:34 PM by EV_Ares
Column: Michael Collins - Independent News; Washington, D.C.

IMPEACHMENT: Where we’re headed

I contend that there is real action on impeachment and that it’s occurring right now, before our very eyes. The actors are not singling out my favorite charges – a war based on lies and election fraud. But they’ve laid the basis for some serious damage to the administration through impeachment charges against the president.

When the owners of any organization or enterprise are profoundly and consistently dissatisfied with the performance of an executive, the executive is gone and gone quickly. We’re at a point where the purported owners of this government, the citizens of the United States, can no longer tolerate inaction on the removal of the woefully inept and corrupt Bush administration.

I base this statement on a single piece of data and an infrequently stated extrapolation. Bush has an approval rating of 25% and disapproval of 66%. When he gets to 20% he’ll have only those who believe Dreyfus was guilty and Nixon innocent. Bush got there as a result of the American people doing their own homework. The corporate media has been of little assistance. They fail to cover important stories or cover them for one instant then lose interest, focus or both. My extrapolation from the 25% figure is that the citizens of the country have developed their own sources of information and analysis.

Their conclusion is correct. Bush is a total incompetent, he’s a danger to the nation and the world, and he needs to be removed along with the rest of his crew.

The Democratic majority in both chambers of Congress can’t come to grips with this. They’ve offered up lame excuses like: impeachment will distract form the important work at hand; impeachment will bog us down until the presidential election; we don’t have the votes; etc. Fine, that’s terrific but they can’t repeat these lame excuses for much longer.

((((entire article is @ the link below))))

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0707/S00414.htm

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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 05:52 PM
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1. Hope In A Single Column
Let's also hope management does it's job. Called my rep.'s (Nadler)because I was shocked thA he considers impeacment in terms of expediency. I thought better of him and told them so.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 06:08 PM
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2. I Have Given Up All Hope for Impeachment
The way Congress caved in on FISA, it is obvious that Bush** has some sort of hold over them, and that they must give him everything he wants or else.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 06:56 PM
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4. I was thinking the other day, maybe Senator Wellstone' demise
Edited on Wed Aug-15-07 07:04 PM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
had a traumatic effect on their bowels, inducing a rapid involuntary peristalsis.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 12:37 AM
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13. There Are a Lot of Things That Might Have Affected Them That Way




:cry::cry::cry:
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 06:12 PM
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3. I heard Bush's approval numbers are going back up
A couple of weeks ago, I would have agreed with this premise, but now I don't. Then there was talk about impeachment in the MSM. Now, when impeachment is mentioned, it's stated that only the left wing loonies want it. The impeachment movement is no longer being taken seriously. That could change, but the Democrats in Congress sure don't seem to be interested in Challenging Bush about anything, much less impeachment.
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:59 AM
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8. Not really true
I don't mean about the poll numbers. I doubt he can go below 25 without another "event" to push it and he'll likely continue to hover below and above 30 unless and until impeachment is "in play."

What's not true is that the "impeachment movement" is no longer being taken seriously. It's actually just "gone local," which in reality is far more serious. There really is a "beltway blindness" that effects DC Dems when they're trapped inside the DC Euphemedia bubble. If they get enough time "back home" it can change things dramatically.

It's when they're outside the beltway that they speak to regular people. Not just the "activists" who hound them (although there's a tsunami of that too), but rather the people who've been in their lives for years -- family, friends, others they respect and really listen to.

The ones they now have to look in the face as say (without speaking) "Yes, I'm being complicit with torture, war crimes, and all the rest. I'm failing to impeach and I feel bad about it."

It's also finally being "taken seriously" by the liberal establishment "thinkers." A few, like Robert Kuttner have come around. Many more (Meyerson -- same link, Tomasky -- Washup Post, Gitlin & Schmitt -- TPMCafe) are "opposing" with the same dismissive litany of false rationalization memes we've been hearing for months. I repeat dismissive -- not even argumentative, let alone debate.

The bottom line is that the battle has actually just begun to be substantively engaged. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Ghandi. We've achieved Step 3.

But of course, 4 is more of a leap than a step. However, we may have already passed the tipping point and won't know until the recess is over.

But we do need to "hold the finish." So just keep hammering.

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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 01:36 AM
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14. Among Repugnicans, Not Democrats
IRC, the last numbers I saw had 92% of Democrats disapproving of asshat's "job". That's been unchanged for a while.

The "surge" was among repugnicans...boooshie's numbers hit bottom when he pissed off Repugnicans over the immigration bill, but now they're coming home cause they've been whipped back into line...with the fear of the evil Hillary.

Again...impeachment without a conviction means nothing. Without 17 Repugnicans in the Senate to convict, boooshie finished his term, can launch wars wherever he pleases and his "acquittal" in the Senate would be played up by the corporate media as both "vindication" and how in dissaray Democrats are. I even heard a Repugnican mouthpiece dare to bring on impeachment just for this reason.

I'd rather challenge on things that make a different...cut funding to this illegal war for profit, issue inherent contempt citations to force testimony and shut down the government if necessary to put pressure on this regime.

Impeachement can happen...with a Democratic House and Senate and a Democratic president. Time is the avenger.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 07:16 PM
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5. KnR
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 07:17 PM
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6. I just told the DSCC yesterday they aren't getting money from me until we have impeachment!
Edited on Wed Aug-15-07 07:18 PM by calipendence
Will also of course tell that to DCCC as well (under hopefully less trying circumstances than what I was under yesterday)...

If enough of us do that, perhaps they'll get the message that if they want to campaign as "the people's party" they sure as heck better start doing what the PEOPLE WANT!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1591399
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-15-07 08:36 PM
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7. I told them the same thing!
Nothing from us until impeachment is ON THE TABLE and squawking like a live eagle!
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:17 AM
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10. Same here and I was chewed up by party loyalists
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 01:11 PM
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11. I told the DCCC, over the phone, and wrote Pelosi a letter,
and called her and left a message on her SF office answering machine telling them "not another dime, and not one more minute of my time will I spend on the efforts of the DCCC" until impeachment is put back on the table, and articles come to the house floor for a vote.

They argued with me for about 10 seconds. I said, there's no need to argue with me. I said what I meant, and I meant what I said.

I don't have time to fund people who won't defund the war in Iraq, either. I'm not spending money to have my DINO representative go to the floor and vote with the Repukes on Iraq and Impeachment. Not me.

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:04 AM
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9. K&R.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 02:12 PM
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12. K&R. "Oldie" but goodie.
:kick:
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