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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 11:15 PM
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In Re: KKKarl Rove, the Rover...or what happens when you
can't keep your # 1 henchman safe anymore? Have the puppet masters hung * out to dry? I haven't commented about Rover's departure yet. I think I am still processing his exit. Nonetheless, I have read some comments about his departure that have resonated with me. There was a very funny one about a rat doing some fancy swan dive off the sinking ship. There was this question about whether Rover dove or was pushed? Me, I think he had to go. I think * et al kept KKKarl for a very long time, and, if there were any possible way for him to continue, he would have. I don't think he left of his own volition...or why wait so long? Why would he not have left sooner? Now, obviously, I don't know for certain, how could I. Still, I have a hunch that he had to go. That there was no choice in the matter anymore. Thankfully. Finally. I too echo the "good riddance" statement. I suppose I am just thinking out loud here but I think he was pushed.

Wasn't that teary presser so sad? I mean "sad" as in "pathetic." I thought those 2 boys were going to break down and bawl like the yellow bellied sissy boys that they are, right there on national TV. As if that wasn't bad enough * had to go on and on about what good "friends" they are and how they will always be "friends" and blah, blah, blah! I could care less who *'s friends are or who he thinks his friends are or how close they are or for how long...who does he think he is for cryin' out loud.

One last thought, stemming from an interesting conversation about the timing of the stock market dive this morning and the departure of the head rat, the # 1 henchman. If * cannot protect his # 1 henchman anymore, he must be "out of control" and that creates fear and anxiety among the wealthy thus the sudden drop in the market today. Again, I don't know for certain and I am certainly not an investor type, that's too high brow for me, but on some level it makes sense that if * can't protect the Rover anymore then all hell could be breaking loose. Time will tell eh? I do think that someone or something has been propping up the market for quite some time now. Again, just a "gut feeling" you know.

Well DU, I would be curious of your thoughts on the matter? Did Rover jump? Was he pushed? As I said, I don't think he left of his own accord. What on Earth could have happened that made it so obvious to * et al that Rover, the # 1 henchman, could no longer be protected or retained?

I wonder. Do you DU?
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 11:25 PM
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1. I am tired and going to sleep now. Sleep well DU. nm
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-16-07 11:31 PM
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2. American Prospect: IS ROVE OFF THE HOOK?
It has taken some while and lots of reading, but I found an article that seems to understand why Rove is leaving. Or, at least, they agree with my analysis, that Rove is evading removal for Hatch Act violations.

The Office of Special Counsel, ... Loren Smith, a spokesman for OSC, said Tuesday .... while the Hatch Act investigation will go on, OSC would be unable to take action against any individuals found to be in violation if they no longer work for the executive branch.

"Once a person leaves government service, they are out of our jurisdiction," Smith said.

Anyway, here is the article/blog:

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The group blog of The American Prospect
IS ROVE OFF THE HOOK?
by Adele M. Stan on August 16, 2007 01:50 PM
http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=08&year=2007&base_name=post_4595


He may have used the personnel and apparatus of taxpayer-funded government agencies for partisan political purposes, but even if that's proven beyond a reasonable doubt, and in violation of the law, Karl Rove's imminent exit from the West Wing may just let him off the hook.

As I reported earlier this week, among the many fingers pointing at Rove is one belonging to Scott J. Bloch, director of the Office of Special Counsel, which administers the provisions of the Hatch Act, a 1939 law that regulates the role of government employees in electoral politics. Detailed here by CQ's Shawn Zeller, Bloch's investigation has come as close as any to really nailing Rove, having turned Rove's special e-mail account with the Republican National Committee (RNC), which he apparently used to communicate with government employees at their "dot-gov" e-mail addresses.

But that, even when leveraged by investigations by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform (led by the indefatigable Henry Waxman of California), may amount to little more than a hill of beans in Rove's case for this simple reason: the Hatch Act carries no criminal penalties. The strongest, most dire corrective it offers is removal of the offender from his or her government post. ....

............

POST: Has Rove's Egg Hatched? The Firing of KARL ROVE or Why His Family Needs Him Now.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1591504
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 07:18 AM
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3. Interesting. Thanks for posting this. Sounds about right. So now
he cannot be removed from his office which was the only remedy according to the Hatch Act. I happen to think that he was implicated in a few other investigations as well but maybe his exit was his escape route...makes sense.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 09:08 AM
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5. Resigning only means he escapes the Hatch Act violations, not the REST
Rove is in hot water still, and resigning to avoid Hatch Act removal from his USG job only saves face. That helps his public image going into further confrontation with Congressional subpoenas. Image his statute when confronting Congress if the WH Office of Special Counsel had publicly fired him instead.

I expect a lot more of the Hatch Act violations inquiry, both from the WH and Congress. More here:
GUILTY, GUILTY, GUILTY. Is Everyone in the WHITE HOUSE Going to the "OUT" House?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1069515

I'm still waiting for a response and action from Sen. Collins regarding the Hatch Act violations (by her staff) clearly displayed on the Internet. I registered that complaint to her office the same day as the post.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-18-07 12:25 AM
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6. Thanks again for your reply, I agree that he is not off the hook
in regards to other matters. I can only hope that everyone in the WH goes to the out house, permanently.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-17-07 07:38 AM
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4. kick it for the morning crowd nm
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