Second rescue miner dead in Utah mine bump today. ***(UPDATE - 3rd dead)***

[Maddy McCall]

UPDATE: THIRD MINER DEAD NOW. MSNBC reported.

Dammit.

Just dammit.

This is terrible.

:cry:

Edit to add: Source - MSNBC tv.

[Colorado Progressive]

1. link?

[Maddy McCall]

3. My eyes and ears.

Just reported on MSNBC TV.

[AlCzervik]

4. msnbc is reporting it from ap, no links yet, it's all happening now.

[bridgit]

9. link: another has died since this posted...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/08/16/utah.mine/index.html

[Maddy McCall]

I misunderstood....

Also, get this.

They're not even sure that all of the rescue miners are out of the mine. The company won't discuss it with the press.

Could be others still in the rubble.

:grr:

[bridgit]

19. Maddy, that's what i'm hearing them *not say* as well...

obfuscation from the git-go and yeah :mad:

[Maddy McCall]

25. Two of the men injured tonight were MSHA observers...

I HOPE that MSHA will now have Murray's ass on a platter, since some of their own have been injured.

:grr:

[bridgit]

33. i'm still tripping on this bush recess appointee, Stickler, he was in the middle...

of the W. VA mine collapse i thought, and dumb-ass bush appointed him anyhow over every, each and all advise to the contrary :wtf:

just to shove the whole fucking world up everyone's ass but for he & his family of cronies & war profiteers!!??!?!!

i'm sorry but this shit HAS to fucking stop, i want to see someone.some group of people doing a perp walk over this rape of America!!

[frogcycle]

35. if this were a dating service

you and I would be a perfect match

[bridgit]

37. then cheers it is...

:toast:

[Maddy McCall]

36. You know what I'm wondering about Bush?

If he's even taken a break from his vacay to contact his FEMA chief about this hurricane that is about to enter the Gulf.

You know, he can't use the "We've never experienced a natural disaster of this scale before" excuse this time.

[bridgit]

38. i understand the Rove thinks bush is an alloy of: Ronald Reagan, Mark Twain...

and Will Rogers, but i think bush warehouses a very real, demonstrable malfunction inside that thick skull of his

[madrchsod]

41. bush had to do this because the republicans could`t

hack this guy...yup he would never had passed the republican controlled congress! now that`s really bad

[bridgit]

42. as if we needed any more evidence as to the utter incompetence of g.w. bush...

[Stinky The Clown]

24. I think a head count confirmed they're all out

Two of the injured (and maybe the dead) are MSHA(?) officials, not mine workers.

[Maddy McCall]

29. It was just reported on MSNBC that the MSHA officials are not dead.

I'm glad to know that they are all out.

[Stinky The Clown]

23. No need for a link

I'll be the third to confirm the OP heard what she said she heard.

[mountainvue]

27. CNN confirming now in a banner at

the top of their home page.

[AlCzervik]

2. unreal. So thats at least 2 charges of criminally negligent homicide to be filed

against Bob Murray.

[Maddy McCall]

7. You would think.

I wish someone could explain to me what is wrong with the world today.

Refinery explosion.

Mine cave-in.

Hurricane about to enter the Gulf.

And that's not even taking into account the past couple of weeks--bridge collapse, original mine collapse...

WTF is going on? If I believed in a higher power, I'd worry that he's very angry with Earth right now.

[RL3AO]

8. Don't forget about Sepat.

[Maddy McCall]

10. God yes.

And the Peruvian earthquake.

:(

[AlCzervik]

11. and that massive bomb in Iraq that killed 400 people?

[Maddy McCall]

12. Add that, too...

And I bet if we think just a second, we can come up with about ten more things.

:(

[RL3AO]

13. Shit happens in bunches.

[Maddy McCall]

15. I used to think that it was "in threes."

But I'd agree with you, RL. "In bunches."

:(

[RL3AO]

17. No, famous people die in threes.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

46. Opera singers, lately.

Beverly Sills, Regine Crespin, Jerry Hadley.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

47. We had 6 inches of rain today in Houston and flash flooding from the TS.

Tropical Storm Erin, one confirmed death from a roof cave in at a grocery store.

And the earthquake in Peru.

[Maddy McCall]

48. I've seen Houston on the news...

people driving across 4' deep flooded streets. Just boggles the mind...

I'm hoping that y'all can evade Dean, too.

[AlCzervik]

probably Maddy but lets not cause i'm all out of tissues and inanimate objects to kick.

[Maddy McCall]

18. Hey...

Here's a hug. :hug: :hug: :hug:

[AlCzervik]

20. to you too Maddy.

:hug:

[Kool Kitty]

40. Yes, if there was still any justice left

in this country. They were playing a clip of the head of Mine Safety, whose name I can't remember, that was such a loser that not even the repugs would bring him up for hearing for nomination. He was one of the little King's recess appointments last year.

How come Muray hasn't been out in front of the cameras with his folksy, endearing explanation for this additional disaster? The press just fawns over this bastard, no hard questions, no backstory on just how dangerous this mine was before the first collapse. Dammit, this makes me so angry!

On edit: The guy is the Assistant Secretary of Labor and his name is Stickler, not the head of Mine Safety. Duh.

[bridgit]

5. time to hold Bob Murray responsible...

[AlCzervik]

6. right now, round up the posse.

[sandnsea]

14. Is there someone else to call

Other experts? The PA mine did not go like this. They really did listen to everybody about rescue. Is there a blog anywhere that has some expert opinions.

OT, but sort of not, there was a guy from Forbes on MSNBC earlier, about the Chinese toys, - STILL spouting the anti-government line about regulation, and supporting 'the market' being the best line of defense for consumers. What will it take to get our country back.

[mountainvue]

16. They won't even tell us what happened.

They just keep using the word bump over and over. the hospital guy did slip and mention head trauma in regards to one of the victims.
I would be shocked if MSHA let them go back in that mine now.

[Maddy McCall]

21. Bumps can toss you up from the floor against the ceiling of the mine.

It's deadly work...especially the way that Murray's company was doing it.

:grr:

[mountainvue]

26. It's so frustrating. I feel for the families. n/t

[RL3AO]

22. That is normal. In fact, they probably don't know what happened.

[LeftCoast]

28. Q: When is a mine collapse a bump?

A: When the mine owner is a Republican.

[Maddy McCall]

30. They've always been called bumps.

But when a Republican is the owner, it's called a "SEISMIC bump." (In other words, and act of god.)

[LeftCoast]

34. Really?

I've never heard this kind of 'gentle' terminology before. I've been kind of amazed at what seems to be Rovian verbal spin on this whole incident.

Thanks for the info though!

:hi:

[Monk06]

49. A: Coal Mine Bump ........................

These reports and documentation on past coal mine bump events were collected by NIOSH and the former U. S. Bureau of Mines.

A coal mine bump, also known as a bounce or burst, is the sudden outbursts of coal and rock that occur when stresses in a coal pillar, left for support in underground workings, cause the pillar to rupture without warning, sending coal and rock flying with explosive force. On the average, two coal miners are seriously injured each year and a miner is killed every other year due to coal bumps. By making these historical bump reports accessible, we hope to inform the industry about bump hazards.

Bump reports are listed by state and are in PDF format. More information about coal mine bumps can be found in the paper:

"Occurrence and Remediation of Coal Mine Bumps: A Historical Review”, in Mechanics and Mitigation of Violent Failure in Coal and Hard-Rock Mines, by A.T. Iannacchione and J.C. Zelanko, U.S. Bureau of Mines Special Publication SP 01-95, 1995, pp. 27-67

If you are aware of any other documented bumps, or have any comments or suggestions, please contact:

John L. Ellenberger, Research Geophysicist
Pittsburgh Research Lab
412-386-6751
[e-mail]


The recurrance of these bumps at the Murray Mine is an indication that the roof wall of the entire gallery where this is occurring is getting ready to collapse possibly causing a cascading failure of the entire mine.

[goodgd_yall]

50. Mine officials using the word "seismic"

at every chance they get. I saw the term "seismic bump." And the MSM, not having science literate reporters, parrot the terminology. Most have reported the USGS explanation of the so-called seismic activity as being the cave-in activity from the mine, but now with this new tragedy, they are again repeating mine official nonsense about seismic activity. When the lawsuits and invesstigations begin, it will be made clear that the pseudo-science of Murray was a cover-up.

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[AlCzervik]

32. once again--most inappropriate post ever.

[Maddy McCall]

39. UPDATE: THIRD WORKER DEAD.

God almighty.

:cry:

[madrchsod]

43. i was afraid of that....

must have been the workers who suffered the head trauma injuries.

[Stinky The Clown]

44. Mr Murray better pray he is never tried where I might be in the jury

Words cannot say what I think of that man. Some people just piss you off by breathing. He's worse.

Now we're up to nine counts of murder as far as I'm concerned.

[Maddy McCall]

45. Imagine a jury picked from Huntington.

I don't think that there'll be much admiration of him after this.