frogcycle dons tinfoil hat...

[frogcycle]

just sitting here with a head pounding and itching from shingles - maybe I'm delusional, but...

In a thread this morning the legitimate point was made that if all four planes had hit their targets on schedule, the monkey king's behavior might have seemed less bizarre. But since 77 was delayed, and 93 didn't make it, they had to delay to let it play out, and then the critical plane into the Capitol didn't happen. Weapons grad anthrax attacks against Senators were perhaps a plan B to get things back on track.

There has been much speculation about another LIHOP or MIHOP to reset the country's fealty to king george. Again, the steamroller war of aggression across the mideast bogged down, and the grand plan is struggling. What better than "another 9/11" which we have actually heard talk of in the RW press lately.

There is a running talking point about "they will follow us here" that is largely scoffed at, since the sectarian violence has no purpose in coming here.

There has been a lot of debunking of late as to whether there really is any true Al Qaeda presence in the Iraq mess, making the haranguing about the dire threat and 'the people who attacked us' ring very hollow.

Now we have a massive attack against Kurds - our only allies in Iraq (and that is iffy, at best) that is quickly branded 'Al Qaeda style' Four expolosive-laden trucks into densely peopled areas, with 4-500 killed.

Now here's the tinfoil part:


The attack against the Kurds was an opening act. A nearly identical attack will occur in the US. It is intended to rally the flagging support, justify invoking emergency powers, and show that the same people attacked us HERE as the ones who attacked our friends THERE.

Tidy package to accomplish several aims at once, with Act I already complete.

Timing on Act II will be right after the phony report and funding vote. If congress votes "wrong" they pull the trigger on Act II.

An explosive-truck attack seems like the easiest thing of all to pull off. Rent four trucks, fill with high explosives, drive to target ares, and detonate. If you are "connected" you can get the explosives easily, probably from existing stores so there is no purchase to trace. This would be FAR easier to coordinate than 9/11 was. And with the backdrop of the attack in Kurdish Iraq as example of Al Qaeda work, there would be little cry or investigation. When you look at what McVeigh accomplished with one truck, imagine that in downtown Chicago, or Manhattan, or LA, with a 70-plus story building hit, it could BE another 9/11. Just do it later in the day, when the office buildings are full.

[bleever]

1. I say: too late. Can't get people to rally to you

when attacked when you're reviled for your past lies and failures.

Which is not to say that they wouldn't try it.

[EFerrari]

2. I think you're right, bleever. It won't work and they will try.

:(

[merh]

3. Let me help your tinfoil adjustments

The admin declares the Iranian Revolutionary Guard are terrorists, yet, Maliki had just met with the leaders in Iran and was boasting of the efforts to work together. He spoke of their common goals and concerns.

Nuri Maliki: Iran, Iraq Deeply Eager to Expand Ties

TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki underlined eagerness of Tehran and Baghdad to further expand ties, saying that his visit to Tehran was aimed at implementation of the agreements already held by the two sides.

Speaking to reporters during a joint press conference with Iranian first Vice-President Parviz Davoudi here in Tehran on Thursday, Nuri al-Maliki said that that his trip to Iran was a result of the two countries' enthusiasm for further expansion of ties.

"And due o the same reason, these visits could be much fruitful," he continued.

~snip~

But what is really an eerie coincidence, Iran and Iraq had agreed to an oil pipeline on the 10th of this month and on the 14th, the Oil Minister was kidnapped. Isn't that an odd, eerie coincidence?

Iran, Iraq to Sign Pipeline Deal

TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- Iran and Iraq will sign a deal in the next few days to build a pipeline that would transfer crude from southern Iraqi oilfields to refineries in Iran, a senior Iranian official said yesterday.

Iraq announced in May it had agreed to begin discussions with Iran over the pipeline that will carry 200,000 barrels of Iraqi crude to Iran per day.

"Based on this contract the Iraqi crude will be imported and oil products will be exported (to Iraq)," Iran's first vice-president Parviz Davoudi said.

He said Iraqi oil minister Hussain Al Shahristani would visit Tehran "in coming days." Davoudi was speaking after talks with Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri Al Maliki who visited Tehran on Wednesday and Thursday.

~snip~
http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8605190104

Iraq's deputy oil minister, four others kidnapped from government compound
The Associated Press
Published: August 14, 2007

BAGHDAD: More than 50 gunmen dressed in Iraqi security forces uniforms and using 17 official vehicles broke into an Oil Ministry compound in eastern Baghdad Tuesday and abducted a senior deputy of the oil minister, and four other officials, a ministry spokesman and police said.

Abdel-Jabar al-Wagaa, the senior assistant to Oil Minister Hussain al-Shahristani, was spirited away by the gunmen in what were believed to be military vehicles, said Assem Jihad, the Oil Ministry spokesman.

~snip~

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/14/africa/ME-GEN-Iraq-Kidnapping.php

The timing of all of this is too coincidental and disturbing.


And let's not forget that Afghanistan has been disputing the admins position about Iran.

Afghan president counters US rhetoric on Iranian role in country
By Agence France Presse (AFP)
Monday, August 06, 2007

WASHINGTON: Afghan President Hamid Karzai, a key US ally, contradicted US assessments of the threat posed by Iran and insisted in an interview aired Sunday that Tehran played a beneficial role in his region. "So far, Iran has been a helper and a solution," Karzai told CNN on the eve of a visit here Sunday to meet with President George W. Bush for talks on the deteriorating security situation in Afghanistan.

"Iran has been a supporter of Afghanistan, in the peace process that we have and the fight against terror, and the fight against narcotics in Afghanistan," said Karzai, who became president with US backing in 2002.

His remarks differed markedly from the US stance, which sees Iran as a major menace that bankrolls terrorists, supplies arms to insurgents in Afghanistan and Iraq, and seeks to develop nuclear weapons.

-snip-

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=10&categ_id=2&article_id=84351

:tinfoilhat:


Please take L-Lysine for the shingles, it will help you.

[frogcycle]

5. the "coincidence" re the kidnapping is probably not coincidence

but it is as likely (more, IMO) to have been Sunni's objecting to the Shia government making a deal that draws them closer to Iran than to have been done with US complicity

For sure, Maliki and Karzai are rapidly rejecting the US as a colonialist power, and we all know how much heartburn ANY disobedience, independence, or even breathing without permission causes bush/cheney

I have a feeling, though, that their critical path to long-term "success" right now is to crush dissent at home, get another blank check, perhaps declare the emergency and cancel the elections...

We KNOW their goal is a permanent oligarchy. They have said that. Rove's dream of a "100-year republican rule" never meant winning fair and honest popular elections for 100 years. That is a fundamental impossibility, since their basic principles are to have little federal government aside from a War Department, with unregulated rule by big business. History says that cannot last without a police state. One-person/one-vote is completely incompatible with a dictatorship, oligarchy, plutocracy, timocracy, or any other form of rule by the few. The few cannot have a 100-year rule while giving the many a legitimate voice in policy. Period. Dismantling or "privatizing" populist programs like medicare/medicaid, welfare, social security, and regulations like antitrust, mine safety, FDA, FTC, NTSB, FCC, etc. May set well with the libertarians and the privileged - until the society starts to look and feel like Saddam's Iraq or Stalin's USSR. Or France in the late 18th century. So if that is your plan - and they state that it is - you MUST plan on a Stalinist style of government.

Sounds extreme, perhaps, but think about it. All of the despots in history were genetically the same species as this crowd. Many of them overthrew popular governments (or sometimes other despots) to take control. There have been far more autocratically ruled societies in history than there have been democracies or republics. There is no legitimacy to the notion that "it can't happen here." Just as our society is capable of producing a Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy, or John Wayne Gacy, it is capable of producing a Hitler or Stalin or S. Hussain.

If you grant that it could happen, you have to grant that it could be happening.
And if you grant that, then you have to believe of this cabal that it won't go quietly into the night awaiting the next election. Unless it is absolutely confident of being able to continue the charade of having its puppet win an election and bully congress into doing whatever it wants (face it, the past seven years have been an oligarchy - a handful of corporate fat cats have called the shots, with cheney's 'oil policy' charade as a prime example) and use signing statements to ignore what it wants to, it will make a move. If they feel the curtain is about to come down, then they will step out from behind the curtain.

If my scenario of a duplication of the attack against the Kurds is not sufficient to "excuse" making that move, then they'll do something bigger. They'll use ten trucks. The population of the WTC twin towers during the workday was roughly 40,000. The attack in 1993 was actually a potentially much more destructive plan. Dropping the building with explosives at the base would kill everyone; flying planes into upper stories before the workday got into full swing never had a chance of killing as many; had a chance of killing far fewer. The evacuations could have been complete except for the upper floors, or the buildings might not have fully collapsed. But even if they had collapsed instantly, they were not full.

It once seemed impossible to me that "the US Government" could do such a thing as 9/11. Time has changed that. The callous manner in which this crowd has approached EVERYTHING tells me if they could, they would.

From the humanitarian devastation in Iraq to which they are oblivious, the tragedy of New Orleans, to threats to veto health insurance for American children as "wasteful Democrat spending" indicate they not only have the heart of a Stalin; they have the taste of power and WILL NOT take a back seat waiting 4 or 8 years to get it back. No, they will make every effort to seal the deal.

[aquart]

4. The shingles is affecting your mind.

I probably agree with you about Bush on 9/11, but I've always said his behavior was that of someone establishing an alibi.

However, this is America and you're only as good as your last picture, or last terror attack. If they can't bring down a guaranteed four thousand bonafied Americans, they might as well stay home. We won't be impressed. And guaranteeing your kill is not as easy as it sounds. 9/11 is the victim of its own success.

So take your pills and do whatever will ease the pain and stop worrying about terrorism. Global warming is what'll kill us.

[frogcycle]

6. terrorism?

maybe I was too circumspect -

I was NOT suggesting either attack - that against the Kurds, or the one yet to come here - ws the work of "Al Qaeda"

Of course terrorism can come from any source - McVeigh could be called a terrorist. But if you mean to stop worrying about terrorism perpetrated by those based in the US who seek world domination - I'm not worrying about it; I am merely predicting it. I agree that climate change is what is likely to wipe out large parts of the global population and disrupt/destroy the world economy, setting both back a few centuries, at least.

But a LIHOP-minded global ruling class that refuses to do anything to avoid it is how it will come about.

Focusing directly on climate without ensuring popular control of policy is pointless.