Why Jenna Bush's Supposed Pregnancy Matters In Terms Of Policy

[Yavin4]

If Jenna Bush is pregnant, and I don't know if she is, then it does matter to all of us, policy-wise. This administration, as well as the political party that it comes from, have the power that they have based on their ability to get Christian fundamentalists throughout the country to vote for them. In return, this administration has appointed judges who want to over-turn Roe v. Wade and push abstinence-only programs both domestically and abroad. By restricting the reproductive rights for women here and abroad, they are endangering the lives of women and children the world over.

The basis for these abstinence-only programs is that people should wait until marriage before they engage in sex. These programs teach kids that sex is evil, and that it can kill you. Well, if Jenna Bush is indeed pregnant, doesn't that prove that sex before marriage does not kill you? Doesn't Jenna's pregnancy show that people engage in pre-marital sex, even people from Republican, Christian households?

The point here is that people engage in pre-marital sex, including the President's daughter, so why not give people the sexual education that they need and the materials that they need to either prevent pregnancy or even go ahead with the baby, as Jenna may be doing.

Telling the world to practice abstinence before marriage, is fundamentally the wrong message.

[T Wolf]

1. Don't you dare try to argue from a logic point of view. It is pure emotion -

hate, envy, etc. that are the talking points of all repuke argument.

[Kikosexy2]

41. Her pregnancy...

is not a political football...Remember Mary Cheney?

[babylonsister]

2. She's pregnant?

:wow: Where's my telephone!

[billyoc]

3. I heard she was definitely pregnant.

[npincus]

40. "heard" where?

[billyoc]

43. McCann's Bar. Everyone's talking about it. n/t

[Yavin4]

4. I Don't Know for Sure

That's why I said, "supposed pregnancy".

[Purveyor]

5. Funny you mention it. When I saw Jenna on tv this today I thought to myself, 'she looks pregnant'.

Of course, this is just pure speculation based on an observation.

[Bitwit1234]

6. Bet the press DON'T ask that question and

if they do bush or snow won't answer.

[shain from kane]

7. Saint Ronnie had already impregnated Nancy Davis before they were married. And daughter, Patti,

was sleeping around Hollywood, and with one of the Eagles. And she later appeared in Playboy magazine. What more proof is needed that they are a bunch of hypocrites beyond Saint Ronnie and his family's actions. Of course, he was a Democrat before he became a Republican.

[GeorgeGist]

8. I would question the sanity of someone ...

who would consider a 23 yr old woman's pregnancy a matter of national policy.

[Yavin4]

13. Please Re-Read My Post Then

It matters because NATIONAL and INTERNATIONAL policy from this administration preaches to people worldwide to practice abstinence. This administration will not fund international planned pregnancy programs that include information on birth control and abortion.

If you preach abstinence without practicing it at home, then that hypocrysy is endangering lives both here and abroad.

[Tesha]

17. The reason Democrats lose...

The reason Democrats lose is that they are always
"playing nice". When the other side comes at you with
everything they have on every issue, "playing nice"
doesn't cut it.

If Jenna's pregnant out of wedlock, Democrats should
make sure that the whole world knows it, even thick-
as-a-brick Republican voters.

Tesha

[shain from kane]

21. Cheney's daughter, Mary, is gay. And she's unmarried, with a new baby. How did we benefit?

[Virginia Dare]

24. When Kerry brought it up during the debates..

(about the Cheney's daughter being gay) Lynne went on a false outrage tour basically telling him to STFU and mind his own business, and the press lapped it all up.

[hfojvt]

29. Edwards brought it up to Cheney

and the whole RWNM made 'bringing it up' the issue.

[Virginia Dare]

30. ON EDIT: I googled it, because I could have sworn it was Kerry..

and it was:



http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-10-14-lynne-cheney_x.htm

[hfojvt]

34. that article says Edwards brought it up in the earlier debate

"Thursday's exchange contrasts with the polite discussion of Mary Cheney's sexuality during the vice presidential debate last week.

Edwards at the time expressed "respect for the fact that (the Cheneys are) willing to talk about the fact that they have a gay daughter, the fact that they embrace her. It's a wonderful thing."

Cheney thanked him for the "kind words.""

Safire, of the NY Times wrote column blasting Edwards for it, and I wrote him a letter telling him he was full of sh*t because I remembered Cheney himself bringing it up when he visited the Kansas City area. I didn't remember Kerry doing it too.

[Virginia Dare]

35. Okay, thanks for clearing it up...

I just remember the whole thing being complete and utter hypocritical bullshit on the part of the Cheney's, no surprise there. It was all manufactured, as you say.

[bunkerbuster1]

37. I'm still astonished at the hypocrisy... it's usually not THAT blatant

To review:

John Edwards mentions Cheney's daughter's sexual orientation in a respectful way in response to a question about gay rights, is thanked BY CHENEY for it, and it's not mentioned again.

John Kerry mentions Cheney's daughter's sexual orientation in a respectful way in response to a question about gay rights, is villified for it, and it's fodder for broadcast the next week.

[Virginia Dare]

38. Is the message that we need to stop being respectful?

is Tesha right? At any rate, I hope whoever the Democratic nominee is, that they remember this little scenario well. We can't get played like that again over and over.

[closeupready]

42. I've never quite got that either.

Is it because at the time of the Cheney debate, the administration was feeling good about re-election, and felt comfortable taking a laidback approach, and the debates with Kerry were going badly, and as a means of shifting focus away from Bush's poor performance, they decided to make the debate about Kerry "gaybashing" or something?

I don't know, I'm grasping, because I've never been able to make sense of the contrast between the two different tones of response to what is essentially a restatement of the same fact.

[JI7]

48. most right wing outrage is phony and for political reasons

the problem is that Dems are never united on this and many Dems often side with the phony right wing outrage.

while Republicans are usually united and speaking with the same phony talking points so as to get the message out better.

[bluestateguy]

9. And where do these nonsense rumors about Jenna come from?

What a non-issue.

[Virginia Dare]

12. It'll be a non-issue when they stop sticking their noses in our sex lives..n/t

[Yavin4]

15. It's An Issue Because It's Killing People

Denying people information and access to birth control materials based on a policy of abstinence only, and then not following that policy at home, is a form of hypocrysy that's literally killing people.

[treestar]

28. It's an issue because Chimpy's base should logically think

that Chimpy has failed as a parent. If jenna doesn't live up to their standards, how can they continue to idolize her father.

It doesn't matter to US, but to Chimpy's base, it should make a difference, or they are hypocrites.

They are the ones who criticize others for this very behavior.

[pitohui]

45. she's already showing

who am i gonna believe, you or my own lying eyes?

[itsrobert]

10. It's the SECOND COMING

I'm sure she is the Virgin Jenna afterall.

[shain from kane]

25. You got your twins mixed up. It's the other one, Barbara, that's the virgin.

[shain from kane]

27. Add, unless they both had sex with the Hager twins. Hee-Haw.

[Virginia Dare]

11. Hypocrisy, they name is RIGHT WING REPUBLICAN..

then there was Pat Robertson's 8 lb. 6 month premature baby...:eyes:

The point is there is nothing immoral or wrong about two young committed people having a sexual relationship. It's wrong for us to judge, just as it is wrong for the reich wing to go running around the country telling people how they should be conducting their sexual lives.

[Help me help Earth]

14. This is ridiculous.

Bush gives us more then enough ammo without bashing on his kids. There is *NO* evidence that Jenna is pregnant, and all the Jenna threads are our equivalent of the right wings "Chelsae Clinton is ugly/a drug user/did porn" slanders from the Clinton years.

That said, I completely agree with this thread message.

[Yavin4]

16. I'm Not Bashing Jenna. I Don't Really Care That She's Pregnant

I'm bashing the administration's abstinence only sex education programs both here and abroad.

[UnyieldingHierophant]

36. Chelsae Clinton did porn??!!!

Wow

[Virginia Dare]

39. Beware the Grovelbot...n/t

[closeupready]

18. If she's pregnant, he obviously didn't use a condom.

That's troubling for a lot of reasons. It doesn't matter to me if she is or isn't, but I think it's noteworthy because she's a public figure (obviously) and also within the context of a discussion about "family values" and what that term precisely means. Also within the context of a discussion about family planning.

[Yavin4]

19. They Don't Talk About Condoms In Abstinence Only Programs

Maybe that's why he didn't use them.

[closeupready]

20. Exactly so it's useful to reflect upon the consequences of failing to

do so. This is why if there are merits to the claim in the initial post (and there may not be, it may just be rumors), then young people are reminded that they need to consider if they want to face complications of not using them.

[Virginia Dare]

23. Doesn't Jenna have a book coming out about a teenaged mother..

living with AIDS? OY!

[Johonny]

26. Yeah

It would matter only in terms that her book is suppose to be about how abstinence only education can help the third world. It's a fictional book, about a fictional mother, that she would have met on her fictional work for UNICEF, dicusing a fictional functional program for effective sex education. Should be an interesting read.

[lady raven]

47. Don't be too sure...

I am currently 10 weeks pregnant with twins. This was a total shock, because (1) I have only one ovary, and (2) I was taking the pill and took it faithfully, never missing a dose and taking them at the exact same time every day. (And in case anyone is wondering, although we were trying to delay pregnancy for now, we are absolutely THRILLED. I'm still a bit in shock, but we couldn't be happier.)

Anyway, I am living proof that pregnancy while using birth control isn't unheard of. A good friend of mine was using Nuvaring a couple of years ago. Her adorable baby boy turned 1 not long ago. Not trying to be argumentative, but it's possible that if she is pregnant it was due to failure of whatever birth control method they were using.

[closeupready]

50. Yeah, that's true. I just mean, what the likely scenario is.

and I'm not even sure it's been confirmed that she is pregnant.

[yardwork]

22. Abstinence-only propaganda = more unplanned pregnancies and abortions

Deregulation of mining industry = more mine accidents and deaths

Everything this administration does has a bad effect, because this is an evil, psychopathic administration. In fact, the Republican Party is an evil, psychopathic organization.

[npincus]

31. where'd you hear THAT?

[pitohui]

46. yesterday's photos -- she's already showing

apparently on teevee they cropped it high to avoid showing her obvious belly but the full pix are available around the net, for example they had one on bartcop forums

she's PG all right but i think it only impacts public policy if suddenly she is "not" PG since it would be a later termination

[hfojvt]

I disagree with your last line

People engage in pre-marital sex, yes, but that does not make it right. People smoke cigarettes too. Is telling people not to, or encouraging them to quit the wrong message?

Abstinence ONLY though, is the wrong message. Birth control is pretty important even after marriage unless you want a kid every year, and nobody with any sense wants that.

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[rucky]

33. It's a stretch...

but what the hell. Fire away!

[leftofthedial]

44. jenna doesn't come from a christian household

[JI7]

49. yes she does

that's how some Christian households are like.