Developing Story on CNN - Michael Vick participated in executing dogs

[Poiuyt]

Two of Michael Vick's co-defendants say in court documents that Vick participated in “executing” dogs earlier this year.

www.cnn.com

[no_hypocrisy]

1. There goes that plea deal . . . . .

[anniebelle]

2. Hopefully, friends of humanity will get to see the same

happen to this POS vick. He's lower than the lowest piece of life form there is.

[atreides1]

3. That's a little extreme

I would be satisfied if he serves a prison term and has to pay a fine. This new information might be what ends his NFL career!

The choice is his, he can either go to court and fight or take a plea deal, either way I don't think he's going to walk away from this without being burned.

[NeedleCast]

4. If he goes to jail

he's probably done in the NFL. Even if they let him back in, it would be difficult to recover from a year or more away from the game. No more endoresements, ever. His career is wrecked.

Jail time and having his career crushed...that punishment works for me.

[hlthe2b]

5. This is so damned painful to contemplate....

I've tried to stay away from this story since hearing the accusations of electrocution for "losing" dogs...The cruelty and disregard for life is just so hard to fathom. Yet we see it everyday, whether re: pets or humans in Darfur, Iraq, and in our own country...

Some days, I just can't face the day...I just want to hug my own doggie girl, my friends, family close all day long.

[Poiuyt]

6. Here's the full story:

# Story Highlights
# Vick supplied money behind dogfighting operation, defendants say
# No word on whether Vick met reported deadline for plea deal
# Without his own deal, Vick could face racketeering charges

RICHMOND, Virginia (CNN) -- Two co-defendants of Michael Vick say the NFL star helped execute dogs that didn't fight well, according to federal court documents.

The court papers, filed as Quanis Phillips, 28, and Purnell Peace, 35, pleaded guilty to dogfighting charges Friday, said all three men "executed approximately 8 dogs that did not perform well in 'testing' sessions" in April of this year.

Peace, of Virginia Beach, and Phillips, of Atlanta, stipulated that the money behind the Bad Newz Kennels dogfighting operation, based on property Vick owns in Virginia, came "almost exclusively" from the Atlanta Falcons star.

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If the 27-year-old Vick rejects the deal, he will face an additional charge under the federal Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, known as RICO, a source with knowledge of the investigation told the newspaper.

According to the source, who requested anonymity, conviction under that charge would be punishable by up to 20 years in prison. The new charge would be considered by a grand jury that convenes Monday.

more -

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/08/17/vick/index.html

[trayted]

7. I hate pit bulls and rottweilers, love other dogs. I hate all cats.

With that said, I hate people like Michael Vick who make pit bulls hatable. I still have more love than hate, lol.

[RebelOne]

18. I own a Rottweiler and you could not meet a sweeter dog.

Come on down to Georgia and meet my dog and she will change your mind about Rotties.

[Tansy_Gold]

22. ditto my "baby girl" American Staffordshire Terrier

Sweetest, gentlest, most peaceful dog you'd ever want to know. Great with kids AND other dogs, which is a good thing because I have three other dogs.

The only naturally mean dog I've ever met -- meaning, one that was raised to be gentle but just stayed mean anyway -- was one of my grandmother's Chihuahuas. Nasty, nasty little dog.

Fitting end for Michael Vick would be to be stripped of all his potential NFL and endorsement earnings for the rest of his life and earn his living as a veterinary assistant actually CARING for animals.

Tansy Gold

[Mutineer]

31. The two I've owned were complete sweethearts!

Rotties are a great breed if properly socialized and trained.

[trayted]

63. I don't trust them. Then again,

I would love to have a Boerboel.

[DangerDave921]

8. Don't get it

I just don't get all the commotion. Every day in the country, we execute millions of pigs, cows, chickens, not to mention all the millions of sea creatures in order to feed us all. That ain't pretty either. So why is it a crime against humanity to kill a dog? I'm not saying it's a good thing, but it doesn't get me all fired up.

[Beaverhausen]

9. Read a little more about the case. Humanely euthanizing animals is far different...

...than the methods Vick and his buddies used to get rid of the dogs they deemed unworthy.

Also, they had to endure torture and cruelty for most of thier short lives.

There is a huge difference. A little education about the issue goes a long way.

http://www.hsus.org/hsus_field/animal_fighting_the_final_round/dogfighting_fact_sheet/

[hlthe2b]

11. DangerDave

I feel sorry for you and others who have no compassion for animals. Enough said...

[DangerDave921]

12. thanks

Thanks but no thanks for your pity. I do have compassion for animals. I am NOT saying Vick did a good thing. But the public reaction is worse than if he had molested a little kid, which is far worse in my book. Where is the outcry over the slaughterhouses that electrocute and bludgeon millions of animals in this country? What if Vick had shot and killed deer? Or blew away some ducks with a shotgun? That would be perfectly acceptable (and even manly!). But the world goes ape-shit because it's dogs.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. OK

There's a difference between killing an animal because you think it would make a nice meal and killing it to get your cookies off...The former is justifiable, the latter is fucked up and sick...


DSB

[RebelOne]

20. Killing any animal is not justifiable in my eyes.

And hunting for sport is totally fucked up and sick.

[BushOut06]

21. Here we go...

Is this going to turn into another Vegans vs Meat-eaters argument?

Is it acceptable for me to kill the fire ants that are biting my feet?

[likesmountains 52]

25. if you do it humanely, and eat them.,,,,maybe

[Colobo]

24. Killing animals to eat them is very justifiable and normal.

[CitizenLeft]

15. here's your outcry

It's absolutely disgraceful the way domestic animals are treated in slaughterhouses, it's enough to make me puke. In fact, I only buy burgers from Burger King because they've vowed to buy their meat from humane meat sources.

Okay?

Now, get this. As a human being with a brain, I'm also capable of thinking and feeling - SIMULTANEOUSLY - that it's shameful and inhumane what Vick did, and that he should pay for it.

WTF is wrong with people who think others can't feel compassion for domestic animals AND molested children AND tortured dogs... ALL AT THE SAME TIME. Imagine that.

So sick of that meaningless argument that people can only feel ONE THING, and damn them if they don't mention every freaking thing that upsets them in every damn thread. Do people REALLY have to quantify every feeling they have, and every opinion they have, to satisfy you? IS IT VALID ENOUGH FOR YOU?

[Name removed]

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[Midlodemocrat]

23. Because kids look up to him! And what he did is abhorrent.

He TORTURED those animals!! For what? Some additional cash? He didn't have enough?

He's a SOB who belongs in jail for a long, long time.

[IndianaJones]

26. the world is going ape-shit because its a successful black man. nt.

[Midlodemocrat]

Oh for the love of all that is holy.

:eyes:

[IndianaJones]

30. Good lord. nt.

[DangerDave921]

29. Ummmm

I don't see the world going ape-shit over Tiger Woods, the most successful black athlete on the planet. Kind of throws a wrench into your cries of racism.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

53. Or Lewis Hamilton in Grand Prix racing. Then again, neither Tiger nor Lewis are assholes. -nt

[LanternWaste]

33. I'm going "ape-shit"...

I'm going "ape-shit" because horrible things were done to the least among us...

Some times people get angry because a bad thing was done; not because of race, or gender, or orientation.

Nice, sweeping accusation of racism there, bubba.

:eyes:

[Virginia Dare]

35. I'm going ape shit because a seemingly decent human being..

is apparently capable of this type of barbarism.

[IndianaJones]

36. so the government and the guys that are doing everything to reduce their own jail..

time say. Funny what is accepted here as solid evidence and what is questioned.

[likesmountains 52]

37. Well, it is doubtful that his hands are totally clean in this matter..

[Virginia Dare]

41. So the entire grand jury in Richmond Virginia..

is racist and corrupt? Sorry, I'm not seeing any overt racism here.

[IndianaJones]

43. every lawyer and legal expert I have seen on t.v. says that a grand jury...

indictment is very easy to get. You can get an indictment on a ham sandwich is the phrase one used. If that is the basis for the disgusting comments I see from some here, then I have no doubt I am correct.

[Virginia Dare]

44. I'm going to assume that based on demographics that..

the grand jury in Richmond was largely black, so explain how racism was a factor here?

[IndianaJones]

46. Your going to assume? Then I will assume that since the jury...

was mostly black, most of the accusations and evidence presented by the feds was false in regards to Vick.

[Virginia Dare]

50. You've read the indictment?

many, many people came forward and testified to the Grand Jury about these activities, so all of these people are either racists or coerced? Give me a break!

[IndianaJones]

55. If you have access to grand jury testimony I would be interested to see it...

Everything I have read and heard states that 4 witnesses have agreed to testify against him in a trial in addition to the 3 that were indicted with him. Surely those 4 witnesses had no involvement in any crime and simply testified to make sure that justice was carried out.

Government trust in this case. Very interesting indeed.

[coco77]

39. Agreed, and on top of his sentence he is suppose to ...

live on the street like a dog and not have any means of support... I haven't seen any demonstrations like this outside of a court when they drag in pedophiles... Remember a dog is more important than a person:sarcasm:

[Breeze54]

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Learn to recognize the traits—then stay away

Dr. Robert Hare's Symptoms of Psychopaths

http://www.lovefraud.com/01_whatsaSociopath/key_symptoms_sociopath.html

Interpersonal traits

• Glib and superficial
• Egocentric and grandiose
• Lack of remorse or guilt
• Lack of empathy
• Deceitful and manipulative
• Shallow emotions

Antisocial lifestyle

• Impulsive
• Poor behavior controls
• Need for excitement
• Lack of responsibility
• Early behavior problems
• Adult antisocial behavior
• The complete picture

Cruelty to animals is usually a sign of serious emotional or behavioral problems.

Lack of responsibility

Obligations and commitments mean nothing to psychopaths. Their good intentions—
"I'll never cheat on you again"—are promises written on the wind.

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policy, and general untrustworthiness. They do not honor formal or implied commitments to
people, organizations or principles.

Indifference to the welfare of children—their own as well as those of a man or woman they
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Psychopaths are frequently successful in talking their way out of trouble—
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They are almost as successful in convincing the criminal justice system of their good
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Lack of empathy

The feelings of other people are of no concern to psychopaths. Psychopaths view people as little
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Psychopaths display a general lack of empathy. They are indifferent to the rights and suffering
of family members and strangers alike. If they do maintain ties with their spouses or children
it is only because they see their family members as possessions, much like their stereos or automobiles.

Because of their inability to appreciate the feelings of others, some psychopaths are capable
of behavior that normal people find not only horrific but baffling. For example, they can torture
and mutilate their victims with about the same sense of concern that we feel when we carve a turkey
for Thanksgiving dinner.

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He wasn't drowning and hanging and burying dogs alive for FOOD!!!!!!

IT WAS FOR FUN AND PROFIT!!!!!! :grr:

[anniebelle]

14. You think they torture that cow they feed you?

[Beaverhausen]

17. You think they aren't?

http://www.factoryfarming.com/beef.htm

http://www.factoryfarming.com/veal.htm

[RebelOne]

19. It fires me up because I am a vegetarian and I don't believe

in executing animals for the satisfaction of humans.

[Johonny]

34. I agree

millions of dogs are killed due to simple lack homes and responsible owners in the US every year. Sure Vick's dogs were suppose to be killed in a rather less humane way, one ther other hand they had a fighting chance at survival. Which is more than can be said for the average dog sitting at the local pound. Until the US treats it's pets with a lot more responsibility, I'm not shocked people like the people in this dog fighting ring exist.

[coco77]

38. Because, in some people's eyes...

a dog is more important than a Black Man...

[Virginia Dare]

45. In some people's eyes a famous football player's career..

is more important than a dog.

[coco77]

49. I don't didn't know who in the hell Michael vick was before this ...

situation occurred and I don't give a damn if he has a career in football or not. As far as I am concerned to hell with a dog a dog is not more important than a human being. Pit bulls in particular have bitten off a newborn babies head, bitten off the breast of a dog catcher and no it was not right what was done to these dogs but, it is not that serious to take away a man's whole life or career.

[Virginia Dare]

51. People should be allowed to profit from..

torturing and executing animals? Okay, that's sick. You're plonked.

[coco77]

57. I don't care...

people are profiting off of humans through prostitution, and children especially and I don't hear any outrage. A DOG IS NOT MORE IMPORTANT THAN A PERSON! SAVE THE CHILDREN!

[Beaverhausen]

60. You don't hear any outrage?

You aren't listening. There is plenty of outrage out there for all the ills in the world.

We happen to be talking about dogfighting in this particular thread.

So you don't like dogs - why bother posting?

[coco77]

62. I am talking about dogs too..

the same reason why you are posting, to express my opinion on the subject.

[LanternWaste]

68. there is more than enough righteous indignation...

Believe me, there is more than enough righteous indignation to allow all causes their own individual considerations. I can maintain anger at animal abuse with anything being taken away from my outrage at child abuse...

[likesmountains 52]

52. Oh my...

[Beaverhausen]

54. Wow - your ignorance on this topic is mind-boggling

please educate yourself about dog fighting.

http://www.hsus.org/hsus_field/animal_fighting_the_final_round/dogfighting_fact_sheet/

[coco77]

56. I don't like dogs ,..

so I don't care, keep them away from me I can't eat while looking at dogs.

[likesmountains 52]

59. me thinks coco might just be looking to have some fun at DU

[tammywammy]

65. I agree

[LanternWaste]

67. And in other people's eyes...

And in many other people's eyes, the appropriate administration of justice is more important than color.

I certainly hope you're not making the implication that there are posters in DU who are racist...

[loudsue]

66. I understand your point, DangerDave.....the slaughter houses are deplorable,

as are the living conditions for most of the animals who are slaughtered so that we can eat. And the way corporate america treats the animals that we produce for food is worse than barbaric.

I only wish that humankind would have a complete change of heart, where violence against ANY living being was thought to be an outrage.... like it already is to many of us.

:kick:

[IndianaJones]

10. guys trying to cop pleas saying anything to reduce their jail time? shocking. nt.

[DemGa]

27. Wow, drowning and hanging dogs?

If this is true, I shall take great pleasure in watching Mr. Vick lose every f$cking thing.

[Mutineer]

32. I say just put him in a pen with a pack of pit bulls

who haven't been fed for awhile.

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[ecstatic]

40. Such credible sources...

I'm sure Vick's co-defendents are completely reliable sources. :eyes:

[Virginia Dare]

42. About as reliable as Vick at this point..n/t

[bamacrat]

47. Anyone who would hang or drown a dog should be put away for a long time.

:puke:

[BlooInBloo]

48. What's the news? That's EXACTLY what was in the indictments 3 weeks ago.

[theNotoriousP.I.G.]

61. If so

and found guilty, every penny he's ever earned goes to the SPCA and he goes to prison for the rest of his miserable life.

[MrSlayer]

64. We knew that already. He needs to go to prison for a few years.

I'm thinking five should do it. What a scumbag.