A long sad List.

[SIMPLYB1980]

I know that most of you may have found this on your own searches of the internet, but I thought that I would post it anyway.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/

For the last few weeks while the Congress and our Decider In Chief have been on vacation I have dedicating my afternoons after work to reading the stories of these brave men and woman . It truly hit home to me how much we have lost in these fine brave men and woman. I hope history can forgive us for giving into the forces of Fear, hatred, and greed which sent us stumbling into Iraq in the first place. I pray for the day that our democracy will show its true greatness by once again returning to what made us great. "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." Blessed are the peacemakers!

Edited to add woman because sometimes I'm not politically correct.

[efhmc]

1. You used the term "men" twice. Would you please change that to reflect

the fact that some of these "men" are women. Thank you for the reminder.

[bruce_maturin]

2. check this out:: some perpective

http://www.nps.gov/history/hps/abpp/battles/va062.htm

[efhmc]

3. What a horrible war that was but I cannot for the life of me see how it is

relative to my statement.

[bruce_maturin]

4. The point is...

... that with one tenth of today's population in the United State, this kind of loss was no big deal

[SIMPLYB1980]

5. Thats a very cold thing to say.

So do you wish more of the 28,308 wounded in Iraq had died to make their sacrifice a bigger deal. A lot also has to do with improved medical conditions. Hell back then a small wound was a death sentence on the battlefield.

[efhmc]

6. Which loss? They are all "big deals" and what does any of it have to do

with denying women their identity among the fallen in Iraqi?

[SIMPLYB1980]

8. Get off my Back.

First of all I was responding to bruce_maturin because it seemed to me that he was saying that our troop losses are such a small percentage of our population that it doesn't matter. And get off your high horse about me not stating men and women. Do you really think I was trying to deny women had been killed in this conflict. Well there are women in the link I posted. I fixed it because you were right. However I really think that it is very childish of you to not realize that I was still including them in "our men."

[efhmc]

12. Wow, once again a woman is deemed to be childish if she does not

agree with a man and does not want her fellow sisters to be included in a report about their deaths as "men".

[Name removed]

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[ThomCat]

20. Wow. You're such a feminist that you had to immediately resort

to calling her a man-hater. :eyes:

She raised a damned good point. Whether your Original wording was intentional or not, you didn't give any credit to women. You could have been gracious about correcting that mistake. Instead you're calling her a man-hater and childish. Way to go.

[SIMPLYB1980]

21. The first time she told me I corrected it.

The second time after I corrected it I defended myself. I don't understand what was so wrong about me defending myself, but hay you can bash me to if it will make you fell better.

[ThomCat]

23. That wasn't a defense. That was slurs.

[Contrary1]

22. Delete

[noamnety]

24. hmmm.

There is nothing denigrating to black people in being subsumed under the rubric "white"-no more than under the rubric "person." ... Used inclusively, the word "white" has no connotations whatsoever of race. Yet many people are hung up on this point.

... "One small step for a white, a giant step for whitekind." This noble sentiment is anything but racist; it is simply a celebration of a glorious moment in the history of White.

http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html

Thanks for fixing the link, please try to understand why it was asked, which wasn't out of childishness any more than a black man's objections to fallen troops being referred to as "fallen white troops" would be childish.

There is a reason entire groups of people are marginalized in this country - in our textbooks and in our history as it is taught in school, and in our media. And there is a reason that people object when it happens. It has to do with reinforcing and reproducing structures of power.

[Katherine Brengle]

29. I smell a

[SIMPLYB1980]

32. Smell all you want no troll hear.

I made a simple mistake by not saying men and women. I changed it, after it was pointed out to me, and was chastised for it a second time after that. I don't put up with that from a freeper troll or a fellow DU'r. I am against this war above all else. But for the most part I support most of the democratic platform except gun control, because with what we have seen from the right over the last few years I would rather keep my fire arms. I could go into further detail, but that would likely be a waste of time as you apparently have reached the conclusion that I am a troll without even trying to engage me in a conversation.

[Javaman]

35. The word is "here" NOT hear. most trolls don't know how to spell

your pink wild hair is showing.

now learn how to spell.

[SIMPLYB1980]

36. LoL!

You need another space after your first sentence. You also need to capitalize the "m" in most. You need a period after spell, and you need to capitalize the "y" in your. You should also capitalize the "n" in now. Before you criticize me for my spelling you should brush up on your grammar and sentence structure or else people will think you are some pathetic troll as well.

[Javaman]

37. Thanks grammer rodeo winner, at least I know how to spell...

the word "here". that's something we are all taught in 1st grade.

[SIMPLYB1980]

38. LoL! Don't like it when someone calls you out?

Hit a sore spot with your grammar did I? Also if you look I didn't misspell a word I just used the wrong hear. Anyway have fun with your next reply.

P.S. Grammer should be Grammar.

Spelling Nazis are funny!

[bruce_maturin]

7. OK, was in SDS in the late 60's and early 70's...and didn't lie about history

...Point is that we're crying about about a few troops who volunteered to be in the military

Let's initiate a DRAFT...then let's see who the patriots are!

[stirlingsliver]

9. EACH Life Lost In This Illegal and Immoral War

Each life lost in this illegal and immoral war is ONE life TOO MANY.

It really doesn't matter whether someone volunteered or was drafted.

The fact is that each life lost in this illegal and immoral war is lost because of the meglomania of a few old, white power-hungry, greedy men....and some women, too.

[bruce_maturin]

11. Don't mean to be a jerk

Can you name a legal and moral war?

[stirlingsliver]

13. How About WWII?

The USA's involvement in WWII was done through a proper declaration of war by the Congress.

And, although the USA did several things that cannot be morally justified, the end (utterly destroying Naziism) was certainly morally justified.

[bruce_maturin]

15. Ah, caught you!

This is precisely my point.

Either war is good in some circumstances....or it is universally BAD.

Be mindfull of this...all the great advances in human technology and societal improvement have been the result of war.

[stirlingsliver]

25. Oh, Please

"Either war is good in some circumstances....or it is universally BAD"

I thought that way when I was a sophomore in college.

The illegal and pre-emptive occupation of Iraq, and the current war of agression that the US is conducting against the people of Iraq is both illegal and immoral.

PERIOD.

[Javaman]

34. Yeah like the light bulb, radio and refrigeration, yeah those were directly a result of war...

:eyes:

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. Well, it would have been if we had destroyed it

instead of importing it.

[stirlingsliver]

26. I Stand Corrected.

We only drove Nazi-ism underground for a while.

It has now re-surfaced -- in the illegal and immoral Bush regime.

And it's worst now than it was in Germany.

[Katherine Brengle]

30. Legal? Of course. Moral? Never.

[The Wielding Truth]

31. HERE HERE! You think giving this power greedy bunch more

patriotic innocents to screw with will stop this madness. They should be cut off. No more power for them to abuse!

[Name removed]

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[bruce_maturin]

17. And so my proposal is this...

Universal government service. Men and women. Starting at graduation from high school. Maybe you'll do some community service; maybe you'll do "community service" in the Middle East. It will be a crap shoot.

[SIMPLYB1980]

18. Nope.

I do my own community service everyday. I help people when I can and I take care of my family. Hears a proposal for you. We don't start another war unless we are willing as a country to institute a draft before entering said war.

[Name removed]

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[Katherine Brengle]

27. "because sometimes I'm not politically correct" ??

How about, edited to add women because it was ridiculous not to in the first place.

We're not from outer space, and we're not "different" from the norm for the love of dog.

"PC" is just code for not being a jerk.

[SIMPLYB1980]

33. Your being quite the jerk yourself.

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