Edwards is f*cked

[matcom]

sorry all. I actually like the guy.

but the hedge fund he worked for is being reported on now (MSNBC) regarding they are/were responsible for post-Katrina foreclosures.

now he is pulling his $ out.

*I* am not flaming him (although I'll likely enjoy the coming 'Deleted Sub-Threads') but folks, with mortgage news as it is right now, yeah, he pretty much is f*cked.

now, who has butter? :popcorn:

[WindRavenX]

1. wait, what?

English plz :D

[matcom]

4. I'll try and spell it out so YOU can understand

Moroni

LDS

Tithing

Garments

Wards

NO BEER ON SUNDAYS!

YOU HAVE TO ORDER FOOD WITH THAT DRINK!

:P

[Nederland]

8. That's Romney

Edwards has to win the primary first...

[WindRavenX]

9. i hate you

but i love you :P


tithing...lol. My fiance's parents had a tithing meeting the other week.

Why can't Gore run and make this whole fucking debate moot?

[AtomicKitten]

13. shiaaaaaaaah

>>"Why can't Gore run and make this whole fucking debate moot?"<<

word

[WindRavenX]

17. the numbers suggest overwhelming that Democratic voters favor Gore

I'm kinda astonished how long he's held out...everything indicates that he's the front runner without even running.

[AtomicKitten]

22. seriously

It would put the world back on its axis in a karmic kind of way.

[Yukari Yakumo]

54. Where?

Almost all the numbers I see put Gore in Edwards country. If Gore enters, it will not be a cakewalk like some people expect.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

96. You are just one incredible beacon of light .

:thumbsdown:

[Peregrine Took]

64. He's waiting for the optimum moment to jump in.

[wordpix]

83. dream on, he would have jumped months ago if he wanted to

[mzmolly]

81. "Why can't Gore run and make this whole fucking debate moot?"

Word! - numero dos' ;)

[helderheid]

25. YES, PLEASE.

[peace frog]

58. For gawd's sake, YES PLEASE!

Al, you're the next President of the United States. It's there for you, and for all of us.

Please RUN!

[Donnachaidh]

14. get back to us when YOU understand what you're talking about

Last time I checked it was Mitt Romney in the magic underwear. :rofl:

[matcom]

18. Raven LIVES in Utah Hell

;)

and I used to so we are simply 'bonding' :rofl:

[helderheid]

94. I'm in Utah too... and in the RED suburbs no less!

[WindRavenX]

19. i didn't see the response coz the poster is on ignore, but what was the beef?

Temple garments ARE real, tithing IS real...etc.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. He's so fucked Kucinich doesn't want to debate with him.

Thanks, folks, I'm here all week. Tip your waitresses.

[rjones2818]

3. Ouch!

:wow:

[Swamp Rat]

5. I don't think he's 'fucked.'

If anybody is 'fucked' it's Rudy Giuliani.

[spanone]

90. and rudy deserves to be fucked.....love the diaper

[HeraldSquare212]

6. that's my impression

hard to push a common-man theme when you're making money taking their houses. Then he'll say, but I didn't know, and then it will be, well, why the hell didn't you know, how can you be president if you let things like this happen on your watch without being aware, etc., etc. I've thought he had a blind spot for other people's perceptions for a long time. It all makes him too vulnerable to 'exposure' as a phony during the general election.

[eleny]

15. Sadly true

I've supported him in the past with a financial contribution. I think he would be as a good a president as the rest. But this is probably the deal breaker for me. He should have known. He should have made it his business to know what his investments were/are doing at this point in his aspirations. I'm saddened by this lack of oversight.

[Buck Rabbit]

30. Another monumental lapse in judgement on his part.

His 3 worse in my book:

1) IWR
2) Continued support for war long after no WMDs were found.
3) Taking a 1/2 Mil pay-check he didn't need from Fortress for what he described as basically part time intern work in the middle of his 6 year campaign for President. He must have known this would have to come out, but thought he could skate through it unscathed?

[Clark2008]

102. Don't forget his support of No Child Left Behind and the PATRIOT Act, too.

[The Backlash Cometh]

50. Didn't this subprime problem just happen?

Things only started to get bad on Bush's watch. So, I'd say that we're all in a transition period and now that it's all going south for the Middle Class, Edwards is willing to take a hit with the rest of us, so I think it's showing very little vision to call him down and out this early.

[dansolo]

106. He was a paid consultant for them

Any claim that he didn't know what was going on seems a little tenuous.

[AtomicKitten]

7. Now you've gone and done it.

[KittyWampus]

10. Fortress employess donated large sums to Edwards campaign. At one point they were the largest group

Fortress is the group that owned these other funds Edwards is divesting from. It's the group he worked for to make millions and "learn" how hedge funds operate.

"But his ties to Fortress were suggested by the first round of campaign finance reports released last week. They showed that Edwards raised $167,460 in donations from Fortress employees for his 2008 presidential campaign, his largest source of support from a single company.

Nearly 100 Fortress employees or their family members donated to Edwards around the time of a fundraiser his campaign held at the firm in mid-March. Senior executives, individual fund managers, lawyers and a secretary gave the maximum $2,300 donation. Three administrative or executive assistants gave smaller amounts."

[AnotherGreenWorld]

11. He should do the honorable thing: drop out and endorse Obama

[Colobo]

26. Exactly.

[tomp]

73. why is it honorable to endorse obama...

...over anyone else? or are you just biased?

[MODemocrat]

103. I don't think Edwards should drop out

He's willing to correct his mistake by helping the people of NOLA. In a perfect world, no one would
ever make an error in judgment, but this is far from a perfect world. I'll vote for him if hs wins the nomination, regardless. :dilemma:

[rudeboy666]

12. Politics is a dirty business.

NO politician is pure.

Dig deep enough and you will eventually find something dirty.

The best we could expect is that the 'good' ones are not as soiled as the others.

Politics is a dirty business.

[Parche]

16. YOU F-IN MORAN

:hi:
:popcorn:

[ecstatic]

27. gosh I loved that scene

YOU'RE GODDAMNED RIGHT I ORDERED THE CODE RED!!!

[youthere]

43. I NEVER get tired of that stupid freeper picture.

[Kurovski]

89. It's like a painting of Jesus.

Every decent home should display one.

[wicket]

95. I've always wondered if the guy in that picture knows how famous he is on the net?

:rofl: :rofl:

[MethuenProgressive]

20. There goes Johnny's VP spot on the Obama ticket...

[Deep13]

21. So what?

Does middle America really expect compassion from mortgage brokers? It's not like JE is doing the foreclosures. Unlike candidates with their own private fortunes he has to do something to bring money home. At first this surprised me, but then I realized that we live off this economy in some way or another. No one is really innocent.

[matcom]

23. "he has to do something to bring money home"......

BBWWWAAAAHHHHHAAAAAAAA

best.laugh.today.

[Name removed]

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[Pastiche423]

55. I lol'd when I read that before I read your post

Poor, poor johnnyboy.

[rucky]

78. You have very little understanding of the mortgage business. n/t

[Hoof Hearted]

79. Something to bring the money home? I'm sure when people see this:

John Edwards new house. ^

They'll be totally understanding. He's not that rich, and those Katrina victims had it coming anyway. Guy's gotta make a living right? What if he had to mow his own lawn or something? From the looks of the picture, it's gonna be ONE HELL of a lawn.

[wordpix]

86. I'd like to know how much of the acreage is preserved in perpetuity

[ecstatic]

24. I dunno. His supporters are very forgiving

I mean, after all, he did co-sponsor the IWR, which is much more egregious than not keeping up with his hedge funds.

[Forkboy]

28. I've never met a supporter of anyone who wasn't forgiving.

:shrug:

[Cha]

33. Dean..we didn't have to forgive

anything cause he's perfect. :)

[Lone_Star_Dem]

34. But he screamed

Loudly and with passion. :scared:



:rofl:

[Cha]

38. We thought it was cool!

It was the corporatemediawhores who were scared to death of Dean and still are by all accounts but ol' Dean just keeps on movin' through those 50 States. :)

[Lone_Star_Dem]

76. Amen

I still admire him for the way he kept on keeping on. He was the man, and he still is.

[Cha]

100. And I'll second that

Amen! A truly inspriring individual!

[Kurovski]

91. We'll just have to settle for Gore/Kucinich this time out.

!

[Cha]

101. Dean is perfect where he

is and this World would ROCK if we got Gore/Kucinich..and rid ourselves of all the mediawhores.

[Forkboy]

49. I don't know about perfect,but he brought a life and energy to the party that's sorely lacking.

I like passion in anything,whether it's politics,music,or sex (ok,especially sex).But most importantly I believe that he truly does believe in liberal ideals,and is willing to do so proudly .There seems to be precious few around anymore,which is made sadder in that the Republicans are as low as I've ever seen them. x(

[jpgray]

69. He made VT safe for IBM while debasing environmental regulations as governor

But -nobody's- perfect in office. Not a single politician. Kucinich comes close, but there's that tricky abortion rights issue (with image he's got a host of other problems). Dean was a great candidate and a great DNC chair.

[David Zephyr]

29. I always love an OP by matcom! No ambiguity. Ever.

And he still has the best solution and exit strategy for Iraq ever posted here. :hi:

[matcom]

36. wow, that one was pretty early on too!

still relevant I say :D

:hi: back!

[Dr.Phool]

31. Next thing you know, they'll be saying he's associated with.....

Union Buster Mark Penn.

Oh...wait.

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[shance]

35. I think its something that we all should consider regarding all politicians

Not simply the Republicans or the Democrats.

The profiteering and money making from being in power is coming from both parties and it seems to be pretty epidemic.

I would certainly say the Republicans are more unscrupulous, arrogant and brazen .

However, this is a problem occurring on both sides.

What is at the core of the problem and how do we stop the corruption are the bigger questions needing to be addressed.

[tammywammy]

37. I'm leaning that way

I wasn't planning on supporting Edwards anyways, but I think this pretty much sealed that I won't be.

While he was working for Fortress he knew he was going to run for President. If I was him, it would have been on the top of my list. And I saw in another thread a link to an article from May asking him about Fortress and Katrina.

edited: wrong on date

[brentspeak]

39. Why would this affect your opinion of him?

[tammywammy]

46. I could have been pursuaded still to support him eventually

He was a maybe, but I don't think he'll be one anymore.


edited to add: Sorry, I got this OP confused with another Edwards post recently. Oops. :)

[brentspeak]

47. Wait a minute, you didn't explain your reasoning at all

What was the point of the response?

[tammywammy]

48. Sorry, just ignore me

Little too sleepy and not enough coffee. :)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

40. Don't Hate The Playa Hate The Game

eom

[Hoof Hearted]

84. I really don't think it's a game to the homeless, and I'm sure that's not what you meant,

but it is relevant. I'm sure there were ways to learn about the hedge fund business without making money off of evicted, foreclosed hurricane victims. I'm certain Edwards has honerable intentions, but politically, on occasion, he's a wee bit of a knucklehead.

[Nimrod2005]

41. I said the same thing when I learned he got $50K to give a speech on poverty to college students

[tekisui]

42. Too bad he has to be getting richer on poor's backs

I heard him talking about a "green-collar" working class. Investing in sustainable American jobs. And him or Elizabeth seem to be the best at punching and counter-punching the riech wing. Hillary and Obama could learn some things from him. With Edwards I always feel like, I like what he says and how it says it, but it's from the wrong person.

[taterguy]

44. Since when have issues of economic fairness and justice mattered?

Other than when it's the centerpiece of your campaign of course :)

[hfojvt]

45. can't you do better than this, Mr. Matcom?

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2007/05/cant_you_do_bet.html

"Any evidence that John Edwards's tie to Fortress is hurting his populoist campaign? I see none. I see a Democratic pollster saying that it might hurt his populist campaign if voters conclude that Edwards seems "false and weaselly."

Shouldn't the lead be, "operatives working for Edwards's Democratic competitors beg me to claim that Edwards's hedge-fund tie hurts his populist message"? Isn't that what is really going on? Evidence that it is hurting his populist message would be interesting and newsworthy. But that doesn't seem to be what we have going on here."

I still think his 'populist message' is better than Clinton's or Obama's, but I sure wish he had done something else with his off years, and with his investments.

[matcom]

56. can *I* do 'better' than this?

nope. probably not.

could EDWARDS have done something better than this?

apparently not. :shrug:

*I* am not running

[GreenTea]

51. So you assume television is giving you the full & accurate story. They would never lie or cherry

pick a story? And you feel perfectly comfortable saying Edwards is "fucked" because you have absolutely ALL the information from television?

[K8-EEE]

53. I'm unconvinced.

We'll see.

[DutchLiberal]

52. He should've been "fucked" already over his vote for and warmongering about Iraq.

Ah well, maybe this will open people's eyes...

[taterguy]

57. You're just bitter because Mrs Matcom puts out for other DUers

Just thought I'd give you a jump start on your desired deleted sub-threads

[matcom]

61. yeah but that was only AFTER I gave her that "thing"

:rofl:

cheer up. the swelling goes down
























eventually :rofl:

[Midlodemocrat]

107. Oh, dear God.

My poor BFF.

[greatauntoftriplets]

59. Bad, bad, bad revelation for the Edwards campaign.

NOT that I especially back him (IWR vote), but that's just crass on his part.

[smiley_glad_hands]

60. Until Al gets in, I'm still supporting Edwards.

Do you honestly think that he knew this was going on?

edited for spelling

[matcom]

62. honestly and seriously? (for a moment anyway)...

if *I* had "dozens", "hundreds" of people around me scrutinizing my every word?

yeah, somehow, I would figure I would know

[Pastiche423]

63. What I don't get about johnnyboy supporters is...

how do you explain:

What did he do in the 6 years as senator to help the poor? Hell, just what did he do in the 6 years as senator period?

He co-sponsored and voted FOR the IWR

Was for the war until he decided to run for pres in '08

Voted For the 2001 bankruptcy bill.

He went to work for a hedge fund to "understand poverty". <--- what a bunch of hooey

Voted For several rw judges

Purchased a humongous house when his wife is dying and while sooo many people are losing their homes

Don't you experience some cognitive dissonance?

[trayted]

65. Can you read? There are like 5 threads on this issue in this forum alone

It's a non-issue to people who know what they are talking about.

[Name removed]

67. Deleted message

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[trayted]

74. And that has what to do with there being multiple threads on this issue, or the fact that it

is a 3 month old issue?

Now, if you want to give John Edwards some advice on subprime loans, then fine, but as far as "knowing what you are talking about" as far as John Edwards and his link to Fortress doing whatever it is that they actually did, your 6 years don't mean anything.

This thread is not about giving people loans. It's about yet another fake John Edwards scandal.

[here_is_to_hope]

66. I have investments, nothing on his scale but...

I too have no idea what they invested in. I could easily forgive Mr. Edwards for this.

[dansolo]

108. He involvement is not merely as an investor

He is a paid consultant for them, earning nearly half a million dollars. I don't see how he can claim ignorance.

[jpgray]

68. Why is the scrutiny so particular with Edwards?

Do you seriously think no skeletons exist in the portfolios of Biden or Hillary? Even direct unscrupulous action from other candidates (Biden's whoring for the MBNA, for example) doesn't get this level of scrutiny. So again, why is it so particular with Edwards?

(You can also ask yourself in the meantime why Gore was lambasted as a phony while Bush did cowboy photo ops on a ranch he bought a year before the election.)

[HughMoran]

70. Yep, Hillary get's a free ride here for some reason

:D

[jpgray]

71. Ha! Hillary doesn't get anywhere close to a free ride, and Edwards has a bad Senate term, etc.

But it just seems I see -way- more "hypocrite!" stories regarding Edwards than anyone else.

[HughMoran]

72. Yeah, perhaps

...though I was shocked at the $18 million number - this guy is loaded!

[Arugula Latte]

88. Pshaw -- that's small potatoes compared to Mr. $250 Million Mitt

Of course, the media will say Edwards is an elitist and Romney is a sharp self-made man ... :eyes:

[Hoof Hearted]

75. I thought pretty much the same thing when I saw that. He'll never make it out now.

Imagine the campaign commercial. Katrina destruction footage followed by an elderly poor couple talking through their tears about the day they were forced out of their home by whatever ruthless blood-suckers were doing the dirty work for Fortress.

That's the thing right there. He'll never make it out of the primaries with this on his back. Maybe he didn't know what they were up to but I don't find ignorance to be a particularly impressive defense.

I do wish Gore would run. I'm not unhappy with Hillary, and I'm not unhappy with Obama, but I'm not exactly jazzed up for either one of them at this point either. I could get excited about Gore.

[Robson]

77. Hillary still gets a pass by the MSM

As much as I like Edward's anti-corporate message you'd think he'd understand the scrutiny that candidates come under. He's made a number very bad political mistakes that could have easily been avoided with common sense IMO.

However I do believe that the corporate controlled MSM is in Hillary's and her pro-corporate DLC sidekicks pockets. They want her elected to keep the waters for the rich NYC financiers flowing smoothly and won't report on anything negative that she has done.

[Hoof Hearted]

80. They don't really need to. The right wing nut-job swiftboaters will do that.

I'm sure the Clinton's are aware though, and I'm sure they've been strategery-izing for it for some time already.

I don't think Hillary is the best candidate we could have, by a long shot, but I think she's the candidate we're going to get, unless Gore jumps in. But will he? I realize there's no great love lost between him and the Clinton's, but I also think Gore is a gentleman. Something tells me he might find it a bit unseemly to run against his old boss's wife. I dunno.

Last election I was really excited about Wesley Clark, and I still believe we as a party really blew that one.

[NCarolinawoman]

85. But he DID know what they were "up to."

Maybe not specifically the 9th ward in NOLA, but he knew about the predatory lending. Last spring, when it was revealed to the public that Fortress was involved in this practice, Edwards said something to the effect of, "I should have asked more questions before I took the job with them, and "If I had only known about this." (As I mentioned, I heard and saw Edwards say this on tv last spring.)

So I kept wondering...When is he going to divest the 16 million dollars he has tied up in this outfit? Now it appears he WILL divest; but only as a result of the WSJ's investigative reporting and their pinning him down with a phone call.

This has been easy to keep up with
because the NEWS AND OBSERVER, based in Raleigh, NC, has often brought up the subject matter. There was even an editorial written entitled, "Edwards's Tin Ear".

[Hoof Hearted]

87. I used to live in Willow Springs, almost went to work for the N&O

We lived there from 1991 to 1998. I miss N.C. sometimes but I don't miss the commute.

[wordpix]

82. actually, the foreclosed mortgages are BushCo's fault, which could have

put out the word they wanted all loans forgiven on houses that were wrecked in NO beyond repair. Instead, poor homeowners sold their wrecked homes for next to nothing to pay their mortgages b/c the banks were breathing down their necks. They ended up with NOTHING. Meanwhile, developers swooped in to build condos instead of planning for people to come back with residents' coops strategically placed out of harm's way.

Thanks, BushCo, for making this disaster worse, just like your friggin war on terror.

Edwards' should address the issue and stop pulling his money out. Makes him look like he's just in it to get rich instead of helping people.

[WindRavenX]

92. lol @ this thread

keep it comin' matcom :popcorn:

[wisteria]

93. I wouldn't go that far. He still has a chance as do the others who are behind him.

The media is just playing it up this way. There are still many, many Democrats that have not made up their mind about a candidate yet. The media just wants to give us the impression that it is over. It is never over, till it is over.

[Blackhatjack]

97. LOL at Matcom's OP ... "sorry all. I actually like the guy." Yeah I got that from your post...NOT

And how long will it be before another anti-Edwards poster shows up and states ' I actually like the guy..' or 'I was considering Edwards but now...' as if they are being objective and impartial?

Set your watches folks... just like clockwork.

[itsrobert]

99. Yeah, isn't "matcom" a big Hillary supporter?

Just another well financed attack on anyone who may defeat Hillary.

[MODemocrat]

105. Can't we Big Hillary supporters have our opinion?

What is all this venom about anyway? I'll be so damned glad to get rid of der Bushgang, that I'll be
supporting any nominee on the Democratic ticket. Guess I'm funny that way, but I'd really like to see
my side win, so much so in fact, I refuse to do the fascists' work for them :evilfrown: :dem:

[itsrobert]

98. Garbage. So you believe the Corporate Media?

To tell you the full story?

[AnotherGreenWorld]

104. What are we missing? What other facts would make this story not make Edwards

look like a complete fraud and a careless hypocritical asshole?

[jenmarie]

109. Too many poor judgement calls

Edwards May 10th: I Did Not Know I Was Involved In Subprime Lending

Edwards August 17th: I Did Not Know I Was Involved In Subprime Lending

[Terri S]

110. Let's see, who's side am I more inclined to give the benefit of the doubt..the MSM or Edwards?

Yeah, that's a tough one :sarcasm:

[proud patriot]

111. I tend to agree Matt

x( bummer too .. I love Elizabeth Edwards :yourock: