Is $4/Gal gas just around the corner?

[Banned_Wagon]

We have had it good for the last month with the prices dropping.

Then we have Hurricane Dean heading for the Gulf as a Cat.4-5 storm. So much for the Refineries. I am sure they are already shutting down operations in wake of the storm. The price of oil has increased greatly, and now the Hurricane. I see a huge rise in Gas coming very soon. What is your take on this?

And I hate to even have to say this. To you people in the gulf. If this hurricane is still heading your way come Monday, FUCKING RUN! Do not leave yourselves in the position to be manipulated, contained, and mistreated as the victims of Katrina were.. Find any and all means to get the fuck away from there.. Your belongings are not as important as your health and freedom. Make your plans now, this Storm will probably shift a bit North before it hits.

[Jackpine Radical]

1. As regards the gas thing, when I make any projections about our household

finances, when planning what to do about cars, I always run some projections that assume $5 and $6 gas in the next few years.

[SpiralHawk]

2. "Smirk, smirk, smirk." - Commander AWOL

[TheFarseer]

3. most projections have Dean missing the refineries

Sure, it's a concern and there will be more hurricanes, but it looks like this one will miss.

[alarimer]

7. Yes, but they are already raising prices "just in case"

Prices fell here for a while but just in the last couple of days, prices have gone up 10 cents.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

4. I doubt it and here's why:

Most of the "churn" that lead to higher petroleum prices in the commodity markets was caused by hedge funds and coordinated trading. After all, them guys have no rules. They can pretty well do whatever the hell they want and the repukes have seen to that.

Right now, with the mortgage market in crisis, hedge funds have been dropping like flies, and the rest of them are either precarious, scared or pulling back. This seems to be abating the churn which has led to higher market prices. Of course, the oil companies have been doing everything they could to aid that churn with all those terrible, terrible and completely incidental supply problems that have seemed to plague them, quite coincidently.

Also, the smaller players are shaking out as well. When the hedge funds get pasted, they do as well.

There may be some movement, but I am not looking for anything like what we have seen.

[RB TexLa]

5. You've made the decision for people regarding the importance of their health over their belongings?

How about people decide that for themselves, is that allowable?

[Banned_Wagon]

6. It's called concern............

they are free to do as they please.. I am not particularly in power to force anyone to do anything. And if I were, I wouldn't..It was merely a suggestion, not a fucking order! You are barking up the wrong tree here.

Is that all you had to offer in support of Hurricane victims? I show concern. On the other hand, you show defensiveness against a fellow democratic citizen, when you should be showing defensiveness against a tyrannical regime.

But that is your right..
Carry On!

And one other thing, if you think that your Possessions are more important than your life and the lives of your family, this Country is more fucked than we could ever imagine. *IMHO*

[RL3AO]

8. Can you please give evidence of why it will "probably shift north"?

[Banned_Wagon]

9. Because I have lived through about 12 Hurricanes in my life

And I study their weather patterns. It has already shifted from due West to West-Northwest. Once in the Gulf, the atmospheric conditions usually favor a northward turn. Due to the current location of the Jet Stream and other factors.

I wasn't wishing it on anyone, Just merely stating what history has showed us..

found here:
http://nodvin.net/blog/


How many of these storms stayed on their exact course? Almost all ended up moving North! The proof is on the Chart!

[RL3AO]

10. Can you post a map of all the storms in Deans area to affect Mexico and Texas?

[Banned_Wagon]

11. That shows where all the storms from 1831 to 1992 landed.

These are all the storms in a 160 year period. Every line you see is a different storm. All went NORTH. The only damaging storms to ever hit Mexico directly usually come from the Western Border of Mexico. There have been very few that have came from the gulf. None are shown in this Chart. Only a few that grazed the edge and turned northward as you can clearly see on the chart.

[RL3AO]

12. No, those just show the paths that support what you want to say.

There have been more than 15 canes in the Caribbean in the past 150 years.

[Banned_Wagon]

13. OK then.. Go find the paths yourself..

These are all of them to enter the Gulf.. And there are more than fifteen represented here. Or you can just wait it out, and say I didn't tell you so..

I have done my research, go do yours! It's merely a prediction, no fucking conspiracy here pal.

Check out this list here, I will start your homework for you.. How many times do you see Mexico listed here?
Deadliest hurricanes to hit Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean
August 29, 2005 - 3:33PM
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Hurricane Katrina killed at least seven people on its path last week through the Bahamas and southern Florida, and massive evacuations are under way in US states along the Gulf of Mexico, where the storm is expected to hit on Monday.

The deadliest west Atlantic hurricanes in recorded history:

1776: "Hurricane of Independence", North Carolina to Nova Scotia, 4170 dead.

1780: "The Great Hurricane of 1780", Barbados and the West Indies, 20,000 to 22,000 dead for the deadliest hurricane ever known to hit in the western hemisphere.

1893: Georgia and South Carolina, at least 1000 dead.

1900: Galveston Hurricane, Texas, 6000 to 12,000 dead.

1919: Florida, Louisiana, Texas, more than 600 dead.

1926: Cuba, 650 dead.

1928: south-east Florida, 1836 dead.

1930: Dominican Republic, 8000 dead.

1938: "New England Hurricane", New York and New England, 600 dead.

1954: Hurricane Hazel; Haiti, South Carolina to Canada; 575 to 1175 dead.

1955: Hurricane Janet, Honduras and Mexico, 500 dead.

1963: Hurricane Flora, Caribbean, 7200 dead in Haiti and Cuba.

1974: Hurricane Fifi, Honduras, 8000 dead.

1979: Hurricane David, Caribbean to New England, 1200 dead, nearly all in the Dominican Republic.

1994: Hurricane Gordon, Caribbean and southern Florida, 1130 dead.

1998: Hurricane Georges, Caribbean, Florida Keys and US Gulf coast, 600 dead, mostly in the Dominican Republic.

1998: Hurricane Mitch; Honduras, Nicaragua and Guatemala, more than 11,000 people dead.

2004: Hurricane Jeanne, Haiti and Florida, more than 2400 dead.

ONCE!

[RL3AO]

14. Read the title of the map

It says "Hurricane Paths Along the CENTRAL Gulf Coast"

It doesn't show any tracks of those that went to sea, hit Florida, the West Gulf Coast, or Mexico.

[Banned_Wagon]

16. Here have some more.

Check out this list here, I will start your homework for you.. How many times do you see Mexico listed here?
Deadliest hurricanes to hit Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean
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Hurricane Katrina killed at least seven people on its path last week through the Bahamas and southern Florida, and massive evacuations are under way in US states along the Gulf of Mexico, where the storm is expected to hit on Monday.

The deadliest west Atlantic hurricanes in recorded history:

1776: "Hurricane of Independence", North Carolina to Nova Scotia, 4170 dead.

1780: "The Great Hurricane of 1780", Barbados and the West Indies, 20,000 to 22,000 dead for the deadliest hurricane ever known to hit in the western hemisphere.

1893: Georgia and South Carolina, at least 1000 dead.

1900: Galveston Hurricane, Texas, 6000 to 12,000 dead.

1919: Florida, Louisiana, Texas, more than 600 dead.

1926: Cuba, 650 dead.

1928: south-east Florida, 1836 dead.

1930: Dominican Republic, 8000 dead.

1938: "New England Hurricane", New York and New England, 600 dead.

1954: Hurricane Hazel; Haiti, South Carolina to Canada; 575 to 1175 dead.

1955: Hurricane Janet, Honduras and Mexico, 500 dead.

1963: Hurricane Flora, Caribbean, 7200 dead in Haiti and Cuba.

1974: Hurricane Fifi, Honduras, 8000 dead.

1979: Hurricane David, Caribbean to New England, 1200 dead, nearly all in the Dominican Republic.

1994: Hurricane Gordon, Caribbean and southern Florida, 1130 dead.

1998: Hurricane Georges, Caribbean, Florida Keys and US Gulf coast, 600 dead, mostly in the Dominican Republic.

1998: Hurricane Mitch; Honduras, Nicaragua and Guatemala, more than 11,000 people dead.

2004: Hurricane Jeanne, Haiti and Florida, more than 2400 dead.

ONCE! Yes Once out of 20 storms.

Another Image for you:



And another:


And another:


More?

[RL3AO]

17. Ok...no storms hit Texas in 2004. And both of the other maps show that storms do hit

Mexico and Texas so what does that prove.

[Banned_Wagon]

19. It Proves that the Majority of them turn NORTH!

[RL3AO]

20. Ok. You have climotology on your side.

Can you give me a reason why the NHC, 95% of the models and most tropical meterologists don't think it has any chance of hitting the Central Gulf Coast?

[Banned_Wagon]

21. Yeah and they are always so Accurate a week from impact..

:rofl:

[RL3AO]

23. Um...3 days from the Yucatan, not a week.

[RL3AO]

15. What does a list of deadliest hurricanes have to do with this?

[Banned_Wagon]

18. Wow , OK I guess we will see next week won't we..

I hope I am wrong, But I rarely am.

:hi:

[RL3AO]

22. Actually its 3 days from impact in the Yucatan.

[Banned_Wagon]

24. WTF does the Yucatan have to do with it making US landfall?

We have at least five days still...Patterns change quickly.. Watch later tonight, the cone will shift Northward..

[tammywammy]

25. Isn't there a pressure ridge sitting over the US

That's going to prevent the hurricane from turning to far north?

[RL3AO]

28. Yes.

[Banned_Wagon]

29. Like I said...

I didn't say how far it would turn North, Just saying this has a good chance of hitting the Texas area.. A damn good chance.. Preparation is always essential.

[RL3AO]

30. You posted a map of the Central Gulf Coast. Thats what you implyed.

Southern Texas is not the Central. Gulf Coast.

[Banned_Wagon]

34. IT WAS A MAP OFF ALL THE STORMS IN THE GULF, PERIOD!

I do not know if you are aware of this but all Storms to hit Texas and Mexico either Originate or Pass through the Central Gulf! Are you dense or what? For Christ sakes get over it...

Come back next Thursday and we will talk again..
Bye!

[RL3AO]

35. I thought you were done with this?

And it says Central Gulf Coast not Central Gulf.

[Banned_Wagon]

36. Ummmmm

:eyes:
Bye!

[RL3AO]

27. Are you serious. Maybe it WONT MAKE A US LANDFALL.

Ever think of that. In 1 day it is supposed to hit Jamaica. The 1 day forecast is almost always perfect. In 3 days, it is supposed to hit the Yucatan. The 3 day forecast is very good. After that, the accuracy goes down.

[Banned_Wagon]

31. Time will tell...

just better to be prepared than uninformed... Have a nice day!

[RL3AO]

32. You too.

[Banned_Wagon]

26. My initial comment was this:

"Make your plans now, this Storm will probably shift a bit North before it hits.

Probably and definitely are two different things.. You should really fight your battles over something more, say, relevant!

[DU GrovelBot]

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