The system is rigged .... My D'oh moment

[Botany]

How the hell did George W Bush get even close to being President?
I know about election fraud, the Supreme Court, and born again voters but
the man has so many negatives that he should not have even gotten close
to the White House.

He went AWOL

He is an alcoholic and used coke

He was a poor student

He had multiple arrests; DUI, theft, and vandalism

Every business he was in charge of failed

He had to do 1 year community service in Texas. Martin Luther King Jr. Community Center in
Houston's Third Ward.

He speaks poorly

He does not read

He has a ranch yet he can not ride a horse

He made his money on insider trades

He never traveled

He wears an ear piece so answers can be given him

He speaks like "Cowboy Bob of the Wild West Rodeo," even though he went to prep school in
New England and Yale.

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So what or who rigged the system to make Bush President? And have "they" gotten what "they"
wanted?

[Az]

1. They had what they thought they wanted

But it seems their machiavellian plans did not go through as they thought they would. Leo Strauss would have been proud of the setup. But the ultimate failure would have been his undoing. They had everything in the palm of their hands. The fact that if failed just goes to show that the entire NeoCon agenda and plan is flawed from the start. Very effective at screwing things up. But not very effective at actually governing things.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. What failure?

They are proceeding according to plan. They control the leadership of both parties. Their occupation of Iraq continues into its fith year, and will continue into the next presidency. The looting of the treasury continues unabated. Their plans to implement a dreary techno-fascist planetary kleptocracy seem to me to be going quite well. What failure? Bushit has done his job and will retire to his fucking ranch where he will be fawned over by the righting bullshit media system until he croaks. What failure? Where?

[Az]

9. Popularity

Their goal was to focus public attention by means of creating a popular president who would sell them a fantasy of America the hero. They failed in selling that image. They have utterly screwed things up. But that was not their goal. They wanted to remake America into a force to rule the world. We are in flames and going down instead. Their dream was rotten to the core.

[Hydra]

12. That was never their aim

You think they care whether we like them or not???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1607289

Read the link on that. All I hear is that we are supposed to let them do whatever they feel like, and screw whatever we think. "We'll just beat you until you say you like what we're doing!"

There was no failure involved here. Scripted, implemented, done. Any pretend failure or stupidity was simply a cover for policies, like Katrina, that would have gotten them several thousand angry mobs.

Their only aim is to keep us docile until they have the cage in place.

[Az]

13. Not really

They don't want a cage. They want obedient fanatical followers. The core principle behind the teachings of Leo Strauss is that progressive liberal thought is a corrupting influence on society. This must be combated by placing before the people an image that they will fanatically hold to and establish a fixed moral authoritative system. This is the foundation of the NeoCon ideology.

Having the might to strip rights and do what they want is short term thinking. That is not their goal. Cheney and the other NeoCons were trying to create a new populist King in the form of Bush. Combining both the powers and the worship of a King. People were supposed to look to him for moral authority and guidance. In that they utterly failed. Yes they have done irreparable damage to the presidency and the constitution. But that is pointless to them if they do not maintain control idenfinately. Their goal was not to hand the power they created over to a Democratic president. But that the emotional support of a strong leader would carry the day and elect another candidate of their own choosing or even override the restrictions of 2 terms and keep Bush in office. In the end it doesn't matter as long as they maintain direct control of the office of the president.

[MetaTrope]

14. "So long as I'm the dictator"

It's been out in the open all along, and they've gotten away with it because the American sheeple are too busy watching reality TV and scarfing down artificial snack foods.

[Az]

18. Only part of their goal

Control of the presidency is short term if they do not hold the focus of the mind of the people. The NeoCons believe that a strong president is what the people need and crave. They believe that liberal progressive ideas are a corrupting influence on society. That is their motivation. To dismantle progress and lock in a fixed moral position to keep society from crumbling.

[Hydra]

19. You think they care about "corrupt liberal thinking"???

They are playing that portion of the population- the ones that would like to strap us to stakes and light our toes on fire for not accepting their version of god or their "family values" or the military crowd that wanted to expand our role in the world. It's a nice smokescreen, but let's look at the real facts:

Many of the GOP are gay, some with preferences leaning toward underage boys

GWB was perfectly fine with abortion when the problem came to him

Government size is out of control, and getting bigger

The troops are not getting adequate medical care or salaries

Bush is openly contemptuous of his base among the churchgoers

The military was ordered at Tora Bora to let Osama slip away

The economy is toast except for the people on top

With this evidence, all I can see is "The rules don't apply to us"

Don't listen to their rhetoric- the only thing they care about is getting the powers they desire, and keeping them. They don't care how many people hate their guts, or how many support them, as long as it gets done.

[Az]

21. Of course the rules don't apply to them

The point is not to establish rules they have to obey. It is to place a set of values before the people that they will take to be an absolute sense of truth. It is a political tool to them. Which is why someone like Rove (by some reports an atheist) can utilize placing fundamentalist Christianity as a modus of morality before the people. They imagine themselves the enlightened elite managing the easily corrupted majority. And they do so with political theater and dreams of grandeur.

[Fridays Child]

15. You're right, their dream is rotten to the core...

...but it could yet prevail. They haven't given up--not by a long shot. Look at the little trial balloon they floated recently at familysecuritymatters.org, a front group for one of the most rabid neoconservative groups in the country, Center for Security Policy: http://tinyurl.com/ywa7fl

[Hydra]

20. that wasn't a trial ballon

that was a mistake on their part- the unvarnished truth of what they want to do. It was pulled almost immediately. Thank whoever for Google Cache :D

[Az]

26. Of course they haven't given up

They may not be true believers in the lie they are peddling. But they are true believers in their political philosophy and rejection of liberalism and progressive thought.

[Wapsie B]

35. Wow!

:wow::wow:

Omg, they freely admit it!

[KansDem]

2. Don't forget, he and Robin had an abortion in 1971...

...yet fundies and Talibornagain-types compare him to Jesus.

I don't understand it either...

[Rene]

3. So he's a front man for a machine.....and it looks like Mittens Romney is the next vacuous anotinted

one....pretty boy....empty head and heart...'front' boy. Why didn't the msm play up the 'make up' factor and cost like they did the infamous 'haircut'.

Every time mittens 'talks'...I cringe. just platitudes. there's no substance behind that suit.....just $$ bills trailing out of his pockets.

[bvar22]

33. Who do you suppose "The Machine" is funding in the Dem Party?

The Machine hedges its bets, and leaves little to chance.

[Wiley50]

4. Why, the BFEE did it. His last name is Bush, remember?

Why, to this day, is Prescott's "trading with the enemy" troubles
not common knowledge by everyone in the country?

Why is GHW's association with the Kennedy killings not known?

Because people wind up dead in bloody bathtubs
or with TWO self-inflicted gunshot wounds to the head
if they get too close

That's how and why

[Botany]

8. or you have a car accident

Sixty-two year old Bertha Champagne, described as a long time "baby sitter" for Marvin and
Margaret Bush's two children, son Walker, 13, and daughter Marshall, 17, was found crushed
to death by her own vehicle in a driveway in front of the Bush family home in the Alexandria
section of Fairfax County. Champagne reportedly lived at the Bush family home.

or you go to Georgia and commit suicide ....

Two weeks later, Lemme was found dead in a Valdosta, Georgia motel room.

[many a good man]

6. A million Iraqis died to save our country

If Iraq hadn't turned into a bloody quagmire voters and the MSM would have made bush* a national hero and the NeoCon revolution would have swept America without serious opposition. I can't even imagine what life would be like here if they had been able to install a puppet govt over there capable of keeping order.

[Gregorian]

7. Television.

I want to say "media". But since nobody reads, I think "television" will suffice.

There is a reason the Fairness Doctrine was repealed early on.

Last night I was thinking that this is the single most important factor involved in putting this country where it is right now. It started with the advertising slogans. Isn't it telling that Reagan was an advertising man? "Better living through chemistry". And they bought it. DDT. Leaded gasoline. Cigarettes. They even said cigarettes were good for soothing your throat.

I think it all boils down to what people soak up while inside of that cathode ray beam. Yesterday I was thinking that if there were one thing that would turn this country around, or keep it from turning around, it is that medium. People believe what they see. And they still believe that the news is actually factual. They're being lied to, and they believe it. And until that stops, or until we truly educate our people in school, we will stay here. Or worse.

[The Vinyl Ripper]

10. Twenty mule team borax..

[L. Coyote]

11. ABOUT have "they" gotten what "they" wanted

If you mean breaking up the United States so they can get
the public lands and all the minerals in the West, NOT YET.

But they are still in office and working on it every day! :rofl:

[Perry Logan]

16. It always amazed me that they want us to believe America reelected The Worst President Ever.

That's what you call a lame cover story.

[Botany]

17. Like Ohio voted for him in 2004

Ohio Facts 2004

More Dems than Repugs (not much but more registered dems)

New registrations went 10 to 1 in favor of Kerry

Ohio lost more jobs than any other state from 2000 to 2004

CNN exit poll @ 1:07 AM
Female voters 52 to 48% Kerry
Male Voters 49 to 47% Kerry

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[mod mom]

22. but...but...but... Franklin Co Dem Chair Bill Anthony said only conspiracy theorists said

this stuff. Don't you remember the hearing convicted felon Bob Ney held in March 2005 on the Ohio Election?

:sarcasm:

just saying...either a lot of folks were paid off or they were blackmailed.

[Botany]

23. Those are facts not conspiracy theories

And the #1 predictor of voting behavior is economic factors.

So we have 56 of 88 counties losing their 2004 election ballots, log books,
and or blank ballots and Blackwell sending the 2004 election return data
to Chattanooga, TN to the computers of the RNC, bush/Cheney 2004,
and gwb43.com (smartech) ......

I think the corruption goes way deep into the Ohio democratic party and to
a lot of BOEs.

[mod mom]

24. Yep. Even the Cinci Enquirer showed ballot manipulation:

Saturday, August 11, 2007

Clermont County's ballots


Jon Craig brings you the sage of the missing ballots in Sunday's Enquirer. You can also read it here.


Meanwhile...



The groups behind the lawsuit say they have uncovered evidence of possible tampering in Clermont County, a traditionally Republican-leaning county where Bush won easily.


For example: oval-shaped stickers were inexplicably found on at least 10 ballots in Clermont County, for several several state and local races as well as president and the same-sex marriage ballot issue.



The tiny white stickers would have blocked an optical scanner from counting a vote for the pencil mark that’s visible below. Two of those ballots from Pierce Township were preserved and observed by Enquirer reporters Thursday.

-snip

http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/gov/

pictures at the link.

[Botany]

27. Not only white stickers on the ballots but Ralph Nader too ....

..... Nader was ruled off in Sept of '04 .... yet he was on the Claremont Ballot?

[mod mom]

28. Yeah I noticed that too.

I'm sure it was just an honest mistake. I'm sure it didn't affect the ballot rotation when reading ballots.

You have to have blinders on to believe * was ever elected. I hope a lot of folks in the media, and even in our party are having guilt pains. Many of us put up with a lot of ridicule, but look who is looking mighty foolish now.

Let's just correct this bs and get fair, verifiable elections so we can get on with our lives and work at correcting the messes these assholes created.

[Botany]

29. I think @ the heart of the election rigging was Rove using ...

.... the Dept. of Justice and the U.S. Attorneys as button men while listening
in on Kerry & Dean with the NSA spying .....

But back to my O.P. is the level of media manipulation it took to make
such a flawed man President. He was a Cokehead & Drunk .... now President ...
please.

[mod mom]

31. Perhaps Bernadette and Tom Noe should be subpoenaed. She recently was quoted

as being pissed over Tom's solitary confinement. We know they have some rove stories to share.

[bemildred]

25. Yep. And the 2008 election is being rigged as we speak. nt

[mod mom]

30. They need HRC to be the candidate to pull it off. Look at the media laps dogs

pushing her already.

[Vincardog]

34. You got that right. HRC is the GOP candidate in 2008

[Festivito]

Military-Industrial- CONgressional- Media-Church- CONspiracy.

That's who. And it should give us all a complex.

Did they get what they wanted? YES. War. More worldwide unrest. Russia escalating its forces. World no longer trusting US. Increase in drug trade with decrease in middle class income.

Still they want more:
NO Social security because it keeps old folks safe so poor kids DO NOT HAVE TO JOIN the military to take care of them.

Bigger war with larger bombs, as in bombing cave entrances in Iran. NOT SMART BOMBS. We've stopped producing those.

Nuclear bombs in conventional warfare to hit those mountain deep caves. OH, THE PROFIT MARGIN!

Gotta keep those ground wars going. GROUND WARS, the kind of soldiering that Halliburton feeds making huge profit.

[DU GrovelBot]

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