Just when I thought I couldn't hate George W. Bush any more...

[bklyncowgirl]

Just when I thought I couldn't hate George W. Bush any more, he, of all people, gives this speech about how our experience in Vietnam shows that we cannot give up the fight in Iraq and that if we had only fought harder and longer in Vietnam the world would be a better place today. Peace and freedom would rule the day and petty dictators and terrorists would quiver at the vision of American might and resolve.

Oh yeah, George. I'm sure your experience in the Texas Air National Guard protecting the gin mills of the Lone Star State from a Viet Cong invasion taught you everything you need to know about the price of war. You and Five Deferments Dick your comrade in arms, were gung ho about the Vietnam war--as long as other people did the fighting--you guys of course had other priorities. Your type always have other priorities.

The Vietnam war was a lost cause from day one as is your merry little excursion into Iraq. There is a lesson to be learned from Vietnam, of course but it's clearly not a lesson you have in any way absorbed. Even the most militarily powerful nation cannot occupy a foreign land in which there is an armed and determined resistance that is supported by the local population. We learned it in Vietnam, the Russians leaned it in Afganistan and hell the British learned it in America. Lesson two, you cannot lie to your people about the causes for war and expect them to continue to support said war once the lies are exposed.

Words fail me, when I try to fathom the chutzpah of these chickenhawks, folks. They just fail me.

[jgraz]

1. This asswipe needs to be impeached out of sheer embarrassment

How the hell can we allow that chunk of dogshit to represent our country?

[bklyncowgirl]

3. Unbelievable, isn't it.

I keep thinking I can't be surprised or shocked by these people any more but they always manage to somehow rise to the occasion.

[mzmolly]

10. Isn't THAT the truth.

Good gawd.

[Golden Raisin]

15. Its absolutely perverse

and fantastic (in the true meaning of the word). Everytime I think they have sunk to some new low they boldly come out with something more outrageous, more horrible.

[liberalmuse]

5. I have to pipe up and say...

that I resent your comparing this moronic fuckwad to the gentle, non-violent, unassuming piles of dog shit everywhere.

[bklyncowgirl]

6. That's right, dog shit never hurt anyone--except the bottom of my shoes.

Nah, actually a little newspaper and water and the shoes are as good as new--Bush is far worse than dogshit.

[cascadiance]

7. Yea, I this kind of shit is more relevant!...

Bigger and straight from the symbolic source!



From the shoes showing here, looks like this one already took its toll!

[bdamomma]

29. he has been unchallenged until somebody or someone challenges

him, he will just go on with his agenda, and of course Cheney's agenda too.

[The Backlash Cometh]

2. The man is totally bonkers. To say we should have fought harder in Vietnam, when

he went AWOL in that war, is just unbelievable. Our world is upside down. I bet every man in uniform has been insulted.

[EnricoFermi]

4. I gave their sniper-copter the finger today

so much for words anymore. They didn't like it much.

Stupid bastards shut down my entire city, all so Bush could have breakfast.

I missed my entire class and was late for work. A significant portion of Kansas City was late for work today. That's what happens when he has to travel across the entire city to get himself a good morning breakfast before giving one of his most idiotic speeches ever. He should have been studying history instead.

He owns this country now. Time to remedy the situation.

[Sparkly]

8. And the worst was his insisting that "we" must honor the Vietnam vets

as if there were any controversy about that in which HE and HIS party are the defenders of the veterans!!

Oh yeah, honor and respect them UNLESS they're running AGAINST the rightwing fuckwads, and then John Kerry and his shipmates can tell you just how much they honor and respect them THEN!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Lisa]

28. at the same time as they are cutting services for veterans

Guys with Purple Hearts living on the street because they are maimed and/or have PTSD and cannot work -- but anyone who advocates universal health care and affordable housing is of course a "tax and spend librul" or a "pinko" who "doesn't have their priorities straight".

[uppityperson]

9. While it is incredibley infuriating and job-smacked -stopped-in-your-tracks, it's a good thing too

The more the fool spouts, the more people will see him for what he is.

[Beausoleil]

11. The British had "learned" the lesson previously in Iraq

"Our armies do not come into your cities and lands as conquerors or enemies but as liberators"
(so said British Major General Sir Stanley Maude upon reaching Baghdad on March 11, 1917)

Thus began Britain's occupation and presence in the newly-invented country of Iraq that was to last until 1958. It had been a difficult fight to win Iraq in 1918, costing the British thousands of troops to subdue the three provinces of Basra, Baghdad and Mosul. Yet, Iraq was of political and strategic importance in Britain's age of Empire. The Iraqis, on the other hand, expected independence as promised by the British in return for Arab support against the Turks and Germans during the war. By the war's end, feelings of deep mistrust and suspicion over promises broken for Arab self rule engulfed many in the region.

Moreover, as time went on, Britain did not anticipate nor adequately deal with the continuous challenges by Iraqi insurgents of all ethnic and religious hues fighting for independence as well as attacks by tribal sheikhs. During the four decades of British involvement, Britain paid dearly in terms of soldiers' lives and high levels of funding that drained its treasury. It paid an even higher price in terms of its prestige, strategic security and regional stability. Britain's costly experience in Iraq was largely due to its failure to understand the history and character of the Iraqi peoples.


http://www.allianceforsecurity.org/iraq-occupation

Here's another good read:

"Lawrence of Arabia Had it Right About Iraq" - Robert Fisk

...

To control the land they occupied, he (Lawrence) continued, the Turks “would have need of a fortified post every four square miles, and a post could not be less than 20 men. The Turks would need 600,000 men to meet the combined ill wills of all the local Arab people. They had 100,000 men available.”

Now who does that remind you of? The “fortified post every four square miles” is the ghostly future echo of George W Bush’s absurd “surge”. The Americans need 600,000 men to meet the combined ill will of the Iraqi people, and they have only 150,000 available. Donald Rumsfeld, the architect of “war lite,” is responsible for that. Yet still these rascals get away with it.

...

“Rebellion must have an unassailable base ...

“In the minds of men converted to its creed. It must have a sophisticated alien enemy, in the form of a disciplined army of occupation too small to fulfil the doctrine of acreage: too few to adjust number to space, in order to dominate the whole area effectively from fortified posts.

“It must have a friendly population, not actively friendly, but sympathetic to the point of not betraying rebel movements to the enemy. Rebellions can be made by 2 per cent active in a striking force, and 98 per cent passively sympathetic ... Granted mobility, security ... time, and doctrine ... victory will rest with the insurgents, for the algebraical factors are in the end decisive, and against them perfections of means and spirit struggle quite in vain.”

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20070719_te_lawrence_had_it_right_about_iraq/

[EVDebs]

20. GOP's neocons want us to lose our essential humanity and become more like our

terrorist adversaries, much as Marx counselled after the failure of the Paris Commune.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1641461&mesg_id=1647306

Ironic how these 'conservatives' are becoming identical to their authoritarian opponents.

Iraq Success 'Catastrophic': Bush
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0830-04.htm

With the war and now the surge, success is even more Catastrophic. WTF ?

[kineneb]

25. quote from Nietzsche

I finally found it in the original German and its source:

146.
Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein.
-Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Jenseits von Gut und Böse
1886


"Who fights with monsters, must watch (out), lest he thereby become a monster. And when you look long into an abyss, the abyss also looks back into you."

from: Beyond Good and Evil

(my translation)

[EVDebs]

26. Bush/Kurtz has gone upriver, using the Vietnam/ApocalypseNow analogy

pretext upon pretext upon pretext. The Great Deceiver has shown again and again that he is real and capable of destroying souls. Too bad seekers of wisdom are always in hiding or under persecution, even in 'free' societies'.

[malaise]

12. Poor George

he really needs some history lessons. I heard Jack Jacobs destroying his speech. When he destroys a Bush speech, it was fugging atrocious.

[spiderpig]

13. I was driving to work during his rant and nearly ran off the road.

What saved me was the commentary from Stephanie Miller and her mooks - they articulated my rage so I could hang onto the steering wheel.:mad::banghead:

[HowHasItComeToThis]

14. HE IS JUST ANOTHER REPUBLICAN GHOUL

IT IS NOT HIS BLOOD

[krispos42]

16. That bar just keeps dropping, doesn't it?

I wonder how many times on the DU people have said "Just when I thought I couldn't hate George W. Bush any more..."

I'm honestly surprised he can shock me.

[tbyg52]

17. It's his (or his handlers') only talent. nt

[krispos42]

21. Would it surprise you if Bush thought the Sun revolved around the Earth?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1646992


This may be the next thing. I would LOVE to see a reporter ask Bush that. Or as a YouTube question for the Repub candidates!

[Johonny]

24. clearly doesn't realize Iraq is on the continent of Asia

"The result of American sacrifice and perseverance in Asia," he said, "is a freer, more prosperous and stable continent whose people want to live in peace with America not attack America."

[EVDebs]

27. Sun (Myung) Moon ? Sorry, couldn't pass up a great straight line eom

[mwb970]

18. I hate him more every day.

Every single damn day, this little creep and his band of thugs do something to attack America. Every day! I am so sick of them all. I wish they would just dry up and blow away. I hate to read the newspaper now because it tells me about another day's worth of crimes and horrible, heartbreaking statements and actions by this worst of all "American" governments. (I no longer consider Bush and his thugs to be Americans. What American would do this to his own country?)

[Ganja Ninja]

19. Here a message about Vietnam for Republican's everywhere.

Get over it!

[EVDebs]

22. James Carville is looking for bumpersticker slogans. Bush: Iraq "Catastrophic Success" .

Any more 'catastrophic successes' up their sleeves ?

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0830-04.htm

Oh, I forgot, Iran is next.

[PinkyisBlue]

23. The world would be a better place if George, Dick, Rush, Karl, Mitt, Rudy, Sean, Judd,

and all the other Republican neocon chickenhawks had fought in the Vietnam War. If they survived the war, at least they would understand what it is to be a soldier and wouldn't take war so lightly. They are greedy warmongers who benefit financially from the death and destruction of others. They and their offspring choose to never serve themselves but don't think twice about sending innocent people to kill other innocent people in a foreign country.

[donkeyotay]

30. He's got almost 2 more years to keep surprising us

Apparently, it can always get worse. Everything is on the table, except impeachment, which is off. I'm terrified at what else he can do to the world in the time left. I saw on teevee where they're working to split California's electoral votes - which might be enough to bring another GOP administration...Romney or whoever... good god, no more, no more.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

31. I wish some Dem group would create an ad showing ChickenHawk Shrub

and what he did during Vietnam. While they're at it, show one with Cheney and his millions of exemptions....

[Blue_In_AK]

32. I guess 58,000 dead Americans in that conflict

wasn't enough for his blood lust. Having lost relatives and friends to that atrocity of a war, both during and after, I'm beyond offended by his comments yesterday.