SW Baptist Theological Seminary - Get A B.A. In Homemaking - Women ONLY!!!!

[BlooInBloo]

:rofl:

Just saw this on CNN - had to get the details.

i LOVE it!!

Maybe they'll have a round up/look 'em over sale for the guys!

:rofl:


http://www.swbts.edu/index.cfm?pageid=676

Bachelor of Arts in Humanities with a concentration in homemaking
The College at Southwestern endeavors to prepare women to model the characteristics of the godly woman as outlined in Scripture. This is accomplished through instruction in homemaking skills, developing insights into home and family while continuing to equip women to understand and engage the culture of today.

The BA in Humanities with a concentration in homemaking provides a solid foundation for life. The woman who completes this degree and concentration will be:

* Prepared spiritually – Through significant study of Scripture and theology, each woman will be prepared to be an evangelist and apologist focused upon reaching women, children and families for Christ.
* Challenged intellectually – Intensive instruction in the history of Western ideas will challenge each woman to be familiar with the influential people of our past and to give a response from a biblical worldview.
* Equipped practically–With four areas of focus, the homemaking concentration student will be equipped

* To nurture and care for the family.
* In the area of nutrition and food preparation.
* By developing a skill in clothing and textile design.
* Through practical experiences for skill development for the most important job a woman may have: the nurture and care of the family.

[SeattleGirl]

1. And evangelist and an APOLOGIST?

Apologist for what? Being a woman?????

[BlooInBloo]

3. I think they mean something like "defender of the Bible" by that. From the greek "defense".

[SeattleGirl]

14. Oh yeah. But I could see these fundie nuts turning into being an

apologist for women.

[youngdem]

2. Religion makes my head hurt.

Why anyone participates in organized religion and believes that bullshit is beyond me.

[BlooInBloo]

4. Hurt from laughing too hard you mean!!! ROFLMAO!!!

[youngdem]

16. I go back and forth between hating and pitying the religious

What a burden to spend every Sunday worshiping an invisible man in the sky, seeking approval from your own conscience.

The world is so damn weird.

[BlooInBloo]

19. The world is fine. It's the *people* in it that are freaks.

[youngdem]

22. I stand pleasantly corrected. You are so right.

[madrchsod]

5. hey ----i got all these

To nurture and care for the family.
* In the area of nutrition and food preparation. i fix all the meals..
* By developing a skill in clothing and textile design. i`ve made my own clothes,and reupholster furniture,textile art..
* Through practical experiences for skill development for the most important job a woman (opps wrong gender)may have: the nurture and care of the family. raised three kids..



maybe i can get a two year degree.






..

[Richardo]

6. So what?

1) It's a private school.
2) They're not forcing anyone to go.
3) It's consistent with their beliefs.
4) There's that First Amendment thing.

If this were a non-Christian religious school, granting a degree in a culturally and religiously relevant discipline, would you still mock it?

[BlooInBloo]

8. You seem to think that your 1-4 make it non-mock-able. That's stupid...

... And to your question: yes, I am happy to mock all religious idiocies, as well as just idiocy in general.

[Richardo]

9. I'm just wondering if you'd react the same way if it weren't Christian.

...or are your prejudices showing?

[BlooInBloo]

11. Damn - my edit-addition got there too late - sorry.

[Bluebear]

29. Do you hnoestly believe a secular school would offer this?

[Elspeth]

7. Homemaking, porn.. what does it matter as long as women are never taken seriously...as people?

All the same damned thing. We might as well be the medieval Catholic church denying that women had souls.

[BlooInBloo]

10. Religious people are working hard to bring that about - now back in the kitchen with you! :)

[Katherine Brengle]

24. Indeed.

Sigh.

The clock is turning back, but no one wants to know.

This is just a tiny little thing, but it's indicative of a huge cultural movement that is hurting and will continue to hurt women.

[kestrel91316]

12. Kinder, kuche, kirche.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinder,_K%C3%BCche,_Kirche

K, K, K - the pride of fascists everywhere

[BlooInBloo]

13. Heh! Never heard the German version before - thanks!

[napi21]

15. I've been thinking about that since I heard it on CNN.

I guess I don't really care is that's what the students want to do. I think it's pretty strange though that anyone would want to spend $100,000 or so to learn how to be a housekeeper????

[rateyes]

21. They don't pay that...

it's pretty much a free education paid for by the denomination. And, the asshat that is president and the looney trustees have made what used to be a pretty good institution into a training ground for Right Wing idiots.

[Gman]

17. Challenged intellectually?

All in all, this isn't someone I'd want to marry. So much for the perfect lady in public and slut in bed!

[rateyes]

18. It's a helluva lot different school than it used to be when...

Bill Moyers and I attended.

I can't stand the place now.

[crim son]

20. Skill in clothing and textile design? ROTFLMAO.

Yeah, like the happy homemaker's teenage kids will willingly wear the textiles she's "designed."

I am SO GLAD I'm not a Christian because then I'd be wondering if I got my degree in the wrong field.

[knitter4democracy]

42. Hey, I'd like taking those classes.

Some of us do knit and sew and crochet and spin and weave and felt and do all of that on this board. Just check out the crafts forum.

Oh, and my kids wear what I knit them. I make school sweaters every year, and they're begging for socks this year, too.

[crim son]

45. For what it's worth, I crochet, knit, sew, and do crewel embroidery.

I've made my own jeans and wool coats. But would my sixteen-year-old daughter wear anything I'd created? Hell no.

P.S. I also play the piano, draw and cook. If I were Christian I could win their Happy Helpmeet Contest, hands down. I just doan wanna. :P

[knitter4democracy]

46. *giggle* I hear that.

I showed a cute sweater pattern to my seven year old, and the look of horror and shock on her face was priceless.

I'm hoping to get my kids knitting their own stuff when they're teens. Heck, the rate my son's growing, I won't want to knit for him anyway--too big.

[crim son]

47. Good luck with your daughter!

I was born with the ability to use my hands but poor Kira can't sew on a button without making a mess of it. And knit? NEVAH!

[knitter4democracy]

54. I've had students like that.

I had one that I worked with for three hours (two hours of class and an hour afterwards) to teach how to knit, and she just kept wrapping the yarn around the needle. I even put my fingers over hers and moved her fingers for several stitches so she could feel the rhythm, but it didn't work. Some just aren't meant to knit.

I have seen, though, kids grow out of that. Maybe in time she'll take to sewing with a machine or something.

[Katherine Brengle]

23. Fuck fuck fuck that bullshit.

I figured out how to do laundry and cook food and change diapers - all without paying for the information.

Fuck.

Now you can show that big strong manly man your degree in homemaking -- if you're lucky, he'll choose you to be his own personal slave with benefits.

I hate this shit.

(And I say this as a married mother.)

[BlooInBloo]

25. Dare to dream, that such a man will choose ME (gush)!!!!

:rofl:

[treestar]

26. How did earlier generations of women

Manage without obtaining this degree?

Literally obtaining your "MRS!"

:rofl:

[Ellen Forradalom]

27. I'd love to see the lawsuit

when a guy tries to sign up for the program.

[BlooInBloo]

30. Like they would ever admit "that kind" of guy in the first place. They're religious, remember?

[Ellen Forradalom]

32. It's not probable, but it is possible

I'd love to see their chain yanked that way.

[treestar]

37. What might make the fundie nutjobs furious

Have another university have a similar program and of course have the major open to men. Suddenly they would see that as that university forcing the liberal agenda on people!

:rofl:

[drm604]

28. "Challenged intellectually"?

Or "intellectually challenged"?

[knitter4democracy]

43. So, choosing to be a homemaker means I'm dumb?

Odd.

[drm604]

49. No of course not.

I was talking about the people who came up with this degree program and anyone who would spend the time and money to get such a degree.

You didn't honestly think that I meant that homemakers are dumb, did you?

[knitter4democracy]

52. It was hard to tell from your post.

I do agree that getting a college degree just to be a stay-at-home mom seems silly, but studies show that college-educated moms, even stay-at-home moms, have more successful kids who go to college.

[Initech]

31. Hey - just give up technology and it'll be the 18th century all over again!

Fuck these people, seriously.

[Missy Vixen]

33. Believe it or not, this was in the Seattle Times over a week ago

I'm a bit surprised it took CNN this long to catch on to the story.

For those who believe that it's a private institution and they can teach what they want, fine. I'm concerned about any woman who doesn't have marketable skills in this economy. As so many have posted on DU, Marriage Is Not Forever. Most women have mastered the cooking and cleaning part by the time they're out of high school. The childrearing part probably comes from advice gleaned from family members and friends.

This is nothing more than the Baptists' desperately trying to put the genie back in the bottle.

Julie

[BlooInBloo]

34. Seems like ST has been very on the ball for the last several years. Kudos to them.

[Missy Vixen]

35. I know I was surprised

In the meantime, I went to a college that openly specialized in the MRS degree until probably the early 90's. Let's say I take a dim view of this stuff.

:hi:, BlooInBloo
Julie

[BlooInBloo]

36. Hi!

[KiraBS]

38. Don't American schools teach Home Economics?

In middle school boys and girls were taught to make basics such as Bolognases sauce, Onion Soup, apple pie and Quiche.
fish pie. In the summer we had a choice between sewing and woodwork. Most did woodwork because we couldn't stand another term with the Home Ec teacher.
In high school we had Fashion and Textiles which a group used for teaching business enterprise, selling t-shirts. We had an option of Child Development for those that wanted to be nursery nurses, had babies aged 14 or an easy exam option. But is was an option, so was metalwork at a local boy's school. That is how it should be options given to school kids, because their are some good things they can learn boys and girls.
There is a strong emphasis in our schools on nutrition and food to try and avert the childhood obesity crisis which I think is important. The BA has some good things to teach if you take out the religious aspect, there are one or two things that are useful.

[jmowreader]

39. This isn't Home Economics. There's a difference.

Following is Proverbs 31:10-31:

10 An excellent wife who can find? She is far more precious than jewels.

11 The heart of her husband trusts in her, and he will have no lack of gain.

12 She does him good, and not harm, all the days of her life.

13 She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands.

14 She is like the ships of the merchant; she brings her food from afar.

15 She rises while it is yet night and provides food for her household and portions for her maidens.

16 She considers a field and buys it; with the fruit of her hands she plants a vineyard.

17 She dresses herself with strength and makes her arms strong.

18 She perceives that her merchandise is profitable. Her lamp does not go out at night.

19 She puts her hands to the distaff, and her hands hold the spindle.

20 She opens her hand to the poor and reaches out her hands to the needy.

21 She is not afraid of snow for her household, for all her household are clothed in scarlet.

22 She makes bed coverings for herself; her clothing is fine linen and purple.

23 Her husband is known in the gates when he sits among the elders of the land.

24 She makes linen garments and sells them; she delivers sashes to the merchant.

25 Strength and dignity are her clothing, and she laughs at the time to come.

26 She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue.

27 She looks well to the ways of her household and does not eat the bread of idleness.

28 Her children rise up and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praises her:

29 “Many women have done excellently, but you surpass them all.”

30 Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain, but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised.

31 Give her of the fruit of her hands, and let her works praise her in the gates.

- - - - -

This college is training women to be "Proverbs 31 Women"--what we heretics so flippantly call "barefoot and pregnant"--and defiling the concept of the college degree by granting the Bachelor of Arts in it.

[KiraBS]

41. That was my point...

take out the religion and teach those things to boys and girls at school, they have something valuable.
Girls in high school that found a talent for making clothes, can go on to do set designs and costume makers for theatre and film productions.Or fashion design.
What I am saying is they the ideas to teach young people about textiles, nutrition and healthy cooking is a good one, it is the mentality behind this degree that is a bad one. The Christian right are very good at taping into what they see as a gap in education and finding ways to fill in that gap, which gives them access to more souls for Christ. It is very manipulative. They have something with the BA in food, nutrition and parenting, which people do seem to lack. There are plenty of boys and girls that are not academic and could make a career out of those skills. Maybe some of those women will discover something, find a way out by making curtains for other people, opening a coffee shop or designing clothes. If public schools taught those things that gap wouldn't be open to them and it could be taught to all, boys and girls.

[MrScorpio]

40. These days, when you need breeding slaves for the coming Theocracy

You need to properly certify them

Simple as that

[knitter4democracy]

44. Now, wait a gosh darn minute! Some of us here are homemakers!

Too many comments here are bashing these women for wanting to be homemakers. I'm a homemaker, a stay-at-home mom, and I'm not the only one on this board. I'm also a Christian, a knitting teacher, and a wife of a doctor. Go ahead--bash away. I'm proud of my hubby, glad that I've had the chance to be with my kids like I have, and not changing my faith just because someone thinks it's stupid.

I'm a liberal feminist, and I made the choice to stay home with our kids when my husband and I realized that staying a Catholic high school teacher was actually going to cost us a lot of money. It was better for me to stay home, I was ready for a break (last year of teaching was sheer hell), and that way, I was able to nurse long term like I'd wanted. With all my health problems over the last few years, it was a good thing, too, that I didn't have to work outside the home.

I make clothing, and I design my own knitwear. I nurture and care for my family. I am in the midst of canning and freezing up produce for the winter, and my best birthday present this year was my dehydrator. I make kick-ass fruit leather for much less than the ones in the store. I bake and cook and clean (and clean and clean and clean). My husband works almost 80 hours a week most weeks, but he still does dishes and helps out and watches the kids so I can go to knitting classes and conventions.

My degree was in English, and I only used it for three years. I don't consider it a waste, though some might. Just because I chose to stay home doesn't mean I'm stupid.

[kimmylavin]

48. I don't think anyone is saying you're stupid.

The rub here is pushing a religion-based, return to the good-old-days when men were men and women knew their place agenda wrapped up in a college degree.

You made your choice to stay home by factoring in many things: money, what was important to you in child-rearing, your health, and what seems to be an equitable division of labor in your home. As a feminist, I support that.

But this "Bachelor of Arts"... I use the quotes because I would not consider any woman who graduates from this program college educated. A great deal of college education comes from challenging yourself, and others. From discussion and debate. From reading and learning, and broadening your perspectives. This program seems determined to narrow perspective - when people say "godly woman", they generally don't mean one who thinks outside the box.

And I am in no way saying that homemaking skills are to be mocked. But I learned those from my mother and my grandmothers, all strong women who worked outside the home. And none of it was wrapped up in a program designed to make me a "godly woman" - my skills in getting out a stain come from learning about Chemistry, not Scripture.

Learning nurturing, caring for a family, nutrition and textile design are all worthwhile ways to spend your time - I myself knit, crochet, quilt, craft, and try to make my half of the cooking nutritious. But I also work 50 hours a week in an IT department, and take great pride and pleasure in bringing home half of my household income. So certain phrases in this program listing burn me, and the one that gets me the most is this: "the most important job a woman may have: the nurture and care of the family." This directly suggests that any woman who isn't fully on board with a program like this is somehow deficient as a woman, and that any other pursuits or jobs she may have are somehow unimportant. I fear this program is designed mostly to foster a holier-than-thou attitude among those who follow it - to show women that their only true "choice" is to be a homemaker. As a feminist, is it not also your duty to protect women from attacks like this?

I don't think you're stupid. And I don't have any problem with women who endeavor to create good homes for their husbands and children, if it was a choice they made and a life that satisfies them. But I also expect the same respect for me and my choices, and this program seems designed to keep that from ever happening.

[BlooInBloo]

51. What kimmy said.

[knitter4democracy]

53. I understand that, and I respect your choices.

I was more responding to many of the responses here that seemed to bash these women for choosing that path. I was arguing that it's a valid life-choice.

It's an odd program, that's for sure. First of all, I assume they have to take the usual core curriculum, so that means that they have to think critically and all. Secondly, it's not a free school, so they could be going into serious debt, betting on getting married.

I went to an evangelical college with many women who would've loved that program. They were there for their MRS degree and got upset when they had to think critically and work hard. Some got married quickly and dropped out, but some stuck with it and then left single, mad that they hadn't found their soulmate yet. I was there to get my degree in English and my teaching certification, so I had a heavier load and worked hard for my degree. I hadn't planned on finding my hubby at all, but he found me. My life-plans changed, then.

I also don't like how they make it sound like the only good use for a woman is as a mother. What if she can't have kids? What if she's supposed to be a doctor or a pastor? What if there's another purpose to her life as well? Motherhood is very important, but not every woman is to be a stay-at-home mom. I don't know how much longer I will be, and I know women who go in and out of the workforce as their kids and selves allow.

[Quantess]

50. Kicking for laughs.