God's Warriors - Christiane Amanpour

[spanone]

On CNN

tonight's show is about the Christian fundies and their involvement in politics...

here's a website explaining the 3 part program. worth a watch

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/gods.warriors/

[Bluebear]

1. I am shocked they are airing this again and not "A Flyboy's Story" nt

[spanone]

3. this is new...never aired before.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2007/gods.warriors/

these shows have basically shown how religions are fucking up the world.

[rwheeler31]

2. This is a very well done show.

These people are scary.

[Lint Head]

5. These people are the flag bearers of the Theocratic Fascism

Frank Zappa spoke about and is taking over this country. :dem:

[Bluebear]

4. "Pastor's Picks!"

:silly:

[spanone]

7. Ralph Reed has the scariest fucking eyes in the world. He's dangerous.IMHO

[Changenow]

11. How can anyone escape

the similarities in appearance between Reed and Hitler?

[WillTheGoober]

6. Scary ...

Really scary.
All I have to say.

Peace.

[spanone]

8. and we give these politicians a tax break because they wrap themselves in religion

[Changenow]

9. It describes the crime of politics encroaching

into tax exempt organizations.

When the Nation had laws, this sort of thing would matter. Not even close now.

[spanone]

10. i believe you are correct

[azurnoir]

12. This country is in danger

Pay special attention to the part were they say "we will never stop" and what they did to womens rights within the Southern Baptist Conference.

[Robbien]

31. Exactly

I had the same thought. Even Amanpour's facial expression was very worried as she interviewed the kids.

[mudesi]

13. One of the most disturbing and downright frightening things I have ever seen (nm)

[spanone]

14. it keeps getting scarier....are these our neighbors??? holy shit.

[mudesi]

15. Are you watching these home schooled children?

This comes very close to child abuse, if you ask me.

"We like to control what they're exposed to". That sums it up quite well. It's all about control.

[spanone]

17. who are these people?

[spanone]

16. 53% of Americans Believe in Creationism?????

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[PA Democrat]

18. Yep. I've got a whole family of them living right next door.

Home schooled kids who think that humans lived with dinosaurs. Snotty kids who lectured me that I was a bad parent because my children are permitted to read Harry Potter. They can believe whatever they want, believe that the Flintstones is a documentary for all I care, but I get sick of them trying to shove their beliefs down everyone's throats.

[Bluebear]

19. "Battlecry!" How violent! How exclusively caucasian!

These kids are brainwashed.

[spanone]

20. this guy ron luce is a piece of work......he'll be caught with his knickers down someday

http://battlecry.com/pages/letterfromron.php

[Bluebear]

21. Cult.

[spanone]

22. he's calling the Taliban extremists...the pot calling the kettle black?

these folks scare me more than the muslim radicals....they are already here in our country.

[Bluebear]

25. Look at their executive salaries from 2003

Now that he's saying things like, "you don't want to be manipulated by a bunch of old people making money off destroying you," it's fair to look at how he, and others in his organization, make money off teenagers.



Teen Mania reported that, for the year that ended in August 2004, Ron and Katie Luce, combined, were paid $162,000, and the then-Chief Operating Officer, Rick Brenner was paid $180,455.

[Disturbed]

24. Zealots of all relgions can be dangerous.

Rationalizations to kill anyone that does not believe as they do is what makes them the most dangerous. Also, the tremendous amount of $$$ they raise to influence politicians is ominous. Most religious Zealots do not believe in democracy or representative Republic system of Govt. They believe in Theocracy with strong dictatorships governing the populace.

[azurnoir]

23. Maybe what should be stressed is that

most of these people are former addicts or think they are, they have merely replaced drugs with religion.

[azurnoir]

26. Has anyone noticed

how they keep dogging "the media" and "pop culture" , but then use it to promote their political/religious cult.

[warren pease]

27. Did the show mention the Army of God?

In case it didn't, and you've never heard of them before, the “Army of God” was/is a small group of grimly repressed lethal misogynists who wrap themselves in noble-sounding religious twaddle and then set out to murder abortion docs, clinic workers and the like. Nobody has ever explained the concept of "pro-life murderer" to me so that I can understand it.

Back in October 2001, the Army of God was mailing envelopes containing “unidentified powdery substances and letters with threatening language” to various women’s reproductive health clinics around the country, according to an October 15 Reuters report, which was then quickly spiked in every mainstream media news room in America.

Ninety Planned Parenthood offices and at least 80 National Abortion Federation clinics across the country received such letters, sources said at the time. The envelopes were mailed from five different states. Each bore the accurate return address of local law enforcement agencies and was stamped “time sensitive security information enclosed.”

Which does in fact exhibit the characteristics of a well-coordinated campaign designed to scare the hell out of recipients and, if the powder actually had turned out to be anthrax bacteria, sicken or kill them – which is kinda the textbook definition of terrorism.

Amazingly, the Justice Dept. hasn't seen fit to go after them, even though they used to have the equivalent of a terrorist training manual on their web site. It's since been taken down, although I'm hoping it's been mirrored somewhere. If so, I'll post the URL here. Pretty sickening stuff.

I don't know why I happened to remember this. Your OP just flipped a brain cell or two and the Army of God popped into my head. Which is pretty scary when you think about it.

Here's a good summary of their ideology, activities and key players:

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/violence/army_god.html

And here's a link to the page that describes the manual and lists its TOC, although most of the actual links to the manual take you to a tribute to executed abortion provider murderer Paul Hill.


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[Robbien]

33. The Army of God is what Amanpour's interview was all about

Very scary. I expect the three part segment will be rerun over the weekend.

They are organized. Very organized. The parents send their kids to this school for a year ($750/month). Some as young as ten. There are about 700 of these "student" warriors being indoctrinated per year.

Fundie warriors. Just another sign we are a third world country.

[warren pease]

35. Wow.... I'll try to catch the reruns...

These murderous lunatics have had my attention for quite a while. I keep hoping Morris Dees can figure out some way to bankrupt them, just as he did with several state KKKs, along with the Aryan Nations up in Idaho.

Thanks for the tip,


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[B Calm]

28. I watched Zeitgeist instead...

[dweller]

29. so, the almighty omnipotent

is incapable of smoting the evildoers alone, and has started a draft??

dig deep for the irony, for they are the unbelievers and have no faith in the deity they profess to follow.

hubris abounds.

dp

[LonePirate]

30. Truly frightening

What scares me the most about these people is their complete lack of rational thought. You cannot reason with them about anything unrelated to religion and you risk your life when your question their extremism. I'm fearful of what these people will do once we put a Dem back in the White House in the 2008 elections.

[fujiyama]

32. I caught most of Tuesday's episode

on extremist Jews in Israel, but missed last night's episodes on Muslim fanatics.

I did see most of tonight's episode and thought the two I saw were very interesting. I hope they replay all the episodes again. I was surprised CNN produced something worth watching. Amanpour asked pretty good questions. Overall, after watching this series you'll probably get turned off all three religions...or religion in general.

That "Battle Cry" group looked really fucked up. It looked like a cult with a bunch of kids...and did they mention about 650 bucks a month? Wow. these people are banking. A bunch of real swindlers.

[varun]

34. Most of these kids (in Battlecry)

come from broken homes and have issues such as addiction. You see the same phenomenon in prisoners embracing religion. Replacing one vice / addiction with another.

[trashcanistanista]

36. Agree, substituting one addiction for another.

The scenes in the stadium with the yelling and red flag waving and fireworks, head banging bands, are frightening. San Francisco of all places! I hope they get crushed. These people are insane.