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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:14 AM Original message |
Pot, porn, and pants that hang low--what causes the busybody reaction to these phenomena? |
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Rabrrrrrr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
1. I agree with you, mostly - except that low hanging pants ARE stupid |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Opinions on such things are fine--they doesn't masquerade as objective truth or support censorship |
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The Vinyl Ripper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:24 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Pants that are so tight.. |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:46 AM Response to Reply #1 |
25. When I was in high school, many people thought that the pegged |
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democracyindanger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
31. I would rather live in a world |
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LibInternationalist (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
3. Which "other cinema, literature... etc" |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:26 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Need I direct you to the feminist stylings of Too Short? |
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bicentennial_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. .... |
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LibInternationalist (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. That doesn't answer my question. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:38 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Bad or worse is subjective. What do you find so objectionable about porn? |
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LibInternationalist (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #17 |
28. The fact that it starkly presents women as sex objects |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:58 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Cinema and popular music do all those things on a regular basis |
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LibInternationalist (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. I beg to differ |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. So in part it's the fact that it's real sex that bothers you? |
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LibInternationalist (861 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:44 AM Response to Reply #35 |
49. My opinion is more valid to me, because it is mine. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. That's a tough definition of degradation to work with, but I'd agree with you |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. We need less Too short and more Skee Lo |
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FredStembottom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
7. To answer your initial question... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Free trade generates profit by suppressing human rights |
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FredStembottom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #13 |
27. I would say that Free Trade _leads_ to a suppression of Human Rights |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 04:01 AM Response to Reply #7 |
79. With economics, it's who the rules favor |
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Carni (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
8. Low slung pants=great comedy IMO |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
9. Crass is crass. And flaunting underpants is crass. Let's not gussy this up with "sociology". |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:36 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. What was crass to your parents? To your grandparents? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:40 AM Response to Reply #14 |
19. Are you speaking of in-house private behaviors? Or public, as the OP is? I stayed on-topic. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Most men wore suits and hats outside in the 30s--would they consider our wardrobes "crass"? |
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asthmaticeog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Get off my lawn, you kids! |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:42 AM Response to Reply #18 |
21. You know me too well. :) |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
10. "Busybody reactions" |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:37 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. Where did I ask anyone to stop voicing an opinion? Where did I say anyone wanted to take away porn? |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #16 |
34. Isn't that exactly what you are doing? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. I get curious when people condemn others for doing what they enjoy while harming no one |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:31 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Well who do I harm when i discuss why i don't like porn? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Post the quotes. I don't see them anywhere |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:35 AM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Thank you |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:47 AM Response to Reply #43 |
51. Thank you |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-25-07 04:04 AM Response to Reply #10 |
80. This is very true--I haven't seen any calls for censorship |
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mikelgb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
15. old people are funny |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
20. I don't like looking at a$$cracks in public, that's why. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
23. The pot thing is just a racist thing - that's easy. So, too, are the low pants, probably.... |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
24. So if I think that low-hanging pant are just plain ridiculous looking |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:47 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Having an opinion is fine. When it masquerades as fact or supports censorship, that's different |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:27 AM Response to Reply #26 |
39. Who supported censorship of porn? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Calm down. Where did I accuse anyone of doing this? |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:37 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. But you brought up censorship several times up above |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:41 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Post the quotes. I said -if- it advocates censorship, it's different than just an opinion |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #47 |
58. Sorry but that ain't gonna fly |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. I said I have a problem with people who want to censor behavior they don't like |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. So let me get the logic straight here: |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. That's correct--in both cases I was asked if I have a problem with opinions |
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Tsiyu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. It's hard to be cool |
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TygrBright (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
30. Dunno about porn and pot... |
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regularguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
32. I try to imagine giving a flying f--k about how people wear their |
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Jade Fox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
36. Busybody..... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. What do you call people who condemn others for doing what they enjoy while harming no one? |
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Jade Fox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:40 AM Response to Reply #38 |
46. You're doing some condemning here yourself, my friend... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Where do I ask anyone to "correct" their thinking? I just ask them to consider where it comes from |
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Jade Fox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:50 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Please re-read the post.... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Sorry. I'm a little irritated I keep getting accused of bossing people around |
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EVDebs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
45. I once said 'let's get some social lubricants' at where I worked and this lady about blew a gasket |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:45 AM Response to Original message |
50. Great...You're A Modern Day Mill |
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abq e streeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
55. Almost completely agree; |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:54 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Right, but for the purposes of this post, just the phenomenon of identification is illustrative |
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abq e streeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Thanks for the response |
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Joe Fields (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
57. I see you doing the same thing in your essay, in a few instances... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. As I say in the beginning, it's a natural almost irresistable impulse to generalize groups of people |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #59 |
72. actually appx 30%V of the population reacts adversely to the unfamiliar.... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
64. public discourse on matters of public interest ... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
66. stereotyping the Duke rape case response |
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in_cog_ni_to (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
67. Ya know, I learned a LONG time ago to "live and let live" and to mind my own business. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
68. Too many people care about being 1990s-style culture warriors rather then caring about real issues. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. 1990's style culture warriors? What's that? |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. WOOOHOOO POST #69! |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. The modern equivalent of the prohibitionists. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 07:54 PM Response to Original message |
73. I'm just gonna repeat one part of your post |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 08:53 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I don't think anyone can argue with that |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 09:54 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Well, that's true |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:02 PM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Yep, and I think people tend to ascribe the wrong motivations to people |
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TheFriendlyAnarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
75. When did pot become bad? Link? |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-24-07 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
78. But what if I came here for an argument? - n/t |
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