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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:08 PM
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Are there any Dems that make you proud?
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:09 PM
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1. Russ is at the top of my list
there are a good many who make me proud. DK is in the number one spot.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:09 PM
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2. Kucinich
Not many others.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:10 PM
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3. Al Gore inspires me.
:)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:23 PM
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12. He's my kind of leader.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:10 PM
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4. Al Gore
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:16 PM
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5. Sometimes, sometimes not, like any group I associate with. - n/t
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:16 PM
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6. Dennis Kucinich
Al Gore

Ned Lamont

John Kerry

Russ Feingold

Barbara Lee

Henry Waxman

Sheila Jackson-Lee

Ted Kennedy

Cynthia Mckinney
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:18 PM
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7. Sure there are.
Some of them are on DU; others live in my neighborhood; some are relatives; and others are former co-workers. Darned proud of lots of democrats.
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FtWayneBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:19 PM
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8. Kucinich and
Barbara Boxer.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:19 PM
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9. Diane Benson, running for Congress in Alaska.
Edited on Sat Aug-25-07 05:20 PM by Blue_In_AK
The more they tell her she doesn't stand a chance, the harder she fights.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:21 PM
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10. John Kerry John Conyers , John Edwards and Pat Leahy make me proud!
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 03:28 AM
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96. The Corporatocracy is going to great lengths to dismiss John Edwards! I wonder why? n/t
Edited on Mon Aug-27-07 03:28 AM by bananarepublican
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etherealtruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:22 PM
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11. Ted Kennedy, Carl Levin ... to name a few
I realize one might point to individual votes or a stance on an issue at a particular point in time ... but these two have had careers (looking at the entirety) that make me very proud of them
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:24 PM
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13. I'm afraid I base my pride or humility solely on my own acts ... not those of others.
Edited on Sat Aug-25-07 05:30 PM by TahitiNut
I've almost never been one who strutted with borrowed 'pride' - either by wearing sports team logos or climbing on some bandwagon that was built by others. I'd not be caught dead wearing an FDNY cap in the days following 9/11 any more than I'd climb up on a pile of bodily remains with a megaphone. When I wore a cadet or Army uniform, it was my own behavior that I examined - despite the seductions of military indoctrination. I eschew the false pride of Nuremberg rallies, new product launches, and high school pep rallies. As a human being, I know I'm susceptible to those seductions and stay steadfastly vigilant to circumstances where they're strongest. That's why I'm an independent liberal.

As an 'American,' I feel shame enough to be part of a nation of cowards and outlaws - and cannot exclude myself from that - even though I regard myself as a 'citizen of the world' and a resident of a country. I am every bit as much kindred to any human being as I am to another, independent of demographics.

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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:26 PM
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14. Al Gore
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bottomofthehill Donating Member (578 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:26 PM
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15. Jim McGovern D-MA
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:33 PM
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16. Shirley Chisholm
Edited on Sat Aug-25-07 05:36 PM by 0rganism
First black congresswoman, first black woman to run for president (1972)


How sad that she had to die in 2005, with the governmentfor which she worked so hard still completely rotten from the inside by imperial plutocrats, and the people she represented still living in the grips of terror and poverty.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:34 PM
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17. Fiengold, Kucinich, Gore, Conyers, Leahy, Waxman, Byrd, Rockefeller, More ....
Heid, Pelosi, Dean, Van Hollen, Richardson, Baird, Dicks, Inslee, Larson, McDermott, Smith Blumenauer, DeFaxio, Hooley, Wu, Baca, Becerra, Berman, Capps, Cardoza, Costa, Davis, Eshoo, Farr, Filner, Harman, Honda, Lantos, Lee, Lofgren, Matsui, Mcnery, Millerder-McDonald, Miller, Napolitano, Allard, Sanchez (linda) Shachez (Loretta), Schiff, Sherman, Solis, Stark, Tauscher, Thompson, Waters, Watson, Woolsey, Shelley, Giffords, Grijalza, Mitchell, Pastor, Matheson, Udall, Cuellar, Doggett, Edwards (Chet), Gonzales (Charles) Green (Al), Green (Gene), Hinojosa, jackson-Lee, Johnson, Lampson, Ortiz, Reyes, Rodriquez, ... and the list goes on.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:36 PM
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18. Dick Durbin makes me proud. n/t
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 07:12 PM
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38. Remember Paul Simon?
Illinois has had some great Senators.
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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:37 PM
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19. Everyone in the House and Senate who voted against....
... the original IWR.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:02 PM
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74. I had the same thought:
The Democratic Party Honor Roll
These Democrats should be remembered for their principled stand against the WAR Machine.

IWR

United States Senate

In the Senate, the 21 Democrats, one Republican and one Independent courageously voted their consciences in 2002 against the War in Iraq :

Daniel Akaka (D-Hawaii)
Jeff Bingaman (D-New Mexico)
Barbara Boxer (D-California)
Robert Byrd (D-West Virginia)
Kent Conrad (D-North Dakota)
Jon Corzine (D-New Jersey)
Mark Dayton (D-Minnesota)
Dick Durbin (D-Illinois)
Russ Feingold (D-Wisconsin)
Bob Graham (D-Florida)
Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii)
Jim Jeffords (I-Vermont)
Ted Kennedy (D-Massachusetts)
Patrick Leahy (D-Vermont)
Carl Levin (D-Michigan)
Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland)
Patty Murray (D-Washington)
Jack Reed (D-Rhode Island)
Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland)
Debbie Stabenow (D-Michigan)
The late Paul Wellstone (D-Minnesota)
Ron Wyden (D-Oregon)

Lincoln Chaffee (R-Rhode Island)


United States House of Representatives

Six House Republicans and one independent joined 126 Democratic members of the House of Represenatives:

Neil Abercrombie (D-Hawaii)
Tom Allen (D-Maine)
Joe Baca (D-California)
Brian Baird (D-Washington DC)
John Baldacci (D-Maine, now governor of Maine)
Tammy Baldwin (D-Wisconsin)
Xavier Becerra (D-California)
Earl Blumenauer (D-Oregon)
David Bonior (D-Michigan, retired from office)
Robert Brady (D-Pennsylvania)
Corinne Brown (D-Florida)
Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio)
Lois Capps (D-California)
Michael Capuano (D-Massachusetts)
Benjamin Cardin (D-Maryland)
Julia Carson (D-Indiana)
William Clay, Jr. (D-Missouri)
Eva Clayton (D-North Carolina, retired from office)
James Clyburn (D-South Carolina)
Gary Condit (D-California, retired from office)
John Conyers, Jr. (D-Michigan)
Jerry Costello (D-Illinois)
William Coyne (D-Pennsylvania, retired from office)
Elijah Cummings (D-Maryland)
Susan Davis (D-California)
Danny Davis (D-Illinois)
Peter DeFazio (D-Oregon)
Diana DeGette (D-Colorado)
Bill Delahunt (D-Massachusetts)
Rosa DeLauro (D-Connecticut)
John Dingell (D-Michigan)
Lloyd Doggett (D-Texas)
Mike Doyle (D-Pennsylvania)
Anna Eshoo (D-California)
Lane Evans (D-Illinois)
Sam Farr (D-California)
Chaka Fattah (D-Pennsylvania)
Bob Filner (D-California)
Barney Frank (D-Massachusetts)
Charles Gonzalez (D-Texas)
Luis Gutierrez (D-Illinois)
Alice Hastings (D-Florida)
Earl Hilliard (D-Alabama, retired from office)
Maurice Hinchey (D-New York)
Ruben Hinojosa (D-Texas)
Rush Holt (D-New Jersey)
Mike Honda (D-California)
Darlene Hooley (D-Oregon)
Inslee
Jackson (Il.)
Jackson-Lee (TX)
Johnson, E.B.
Jones (OH)
Kaptur
Kildee
Kilpatrick
Kleczka
Kucinich
LaFalce
Langevin
Larsen (WA)
Larson (CT)
Lee
Levin
Lewis (GA)
Lipinski
Lofgren
Maloney (CT)
Matsui
McCarthy (MO)
McCollum
McDermott
McGovern
McKinney
Meek (FL)
Meeks (NY)
Menendez
Millender-McDonald
Miller
Mollohan
Moran (Va)
Nadler
Napolitano
Neal
Oberstar
Obey
Olver
Owens
Pallone
Pastor
Payne
Pelosi
Price (NC)
Rahall
Rangel
Reyes
Rivers
Rodriguez
Roybal-Allard
Rush
Sabo
Sanchez
Sanders
Sawyer
Schakowsky
Scott
Serrano
Slaughter
Snyder
Solis
Stark
Strickland
Stupak
Thompson (CA)
Thompson (MS)
Tierney
Towns
Udall (NM)
Udall (CO)
Velazquez
Visclosky
Waters
Watson
Watt
Woolsey
Wu


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone



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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:37 PM
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20. Great pic
I include Russ, Dennis Kucinich and Barbara Boxer and Al Gore
and Joe Biden if I'm feeling state specific!
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:38 PM
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21. the question is mildly offensive
...considering the proud, righteous history of the Democratic party. I am extremely proud to be a Democrat.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:46 PM
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22. there are some days
when its hard to see that in this forum... I think we have a lot to be proud of too.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 06:55 PM
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35. sadly enough...
...some people here are working hard to divide Dems in the same way it happened in 2000.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:52 PM
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23. John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Barney Frank, Bill and Hillary Clinton...
Jimmy Carter, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Ed Marky, James McGovern, and the late Ed Muskie.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:52 PM
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24. Off the top of my head, Dem's in the Congress:
Senate:

Biden
Boxer
Clinton
Feingold
Kennedy
Kerry
Leahy
Obama
Reid

House:

Capps
Conyers
Frank
Pelosi
Kucinich
Markey
Waters
Waxman

There's others, but this is right off the top of my head.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 05:58 PM
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25. Yes.


Lots of others, but Sen. Kerry is the person who most consistently makes me proud of our Dems.

Fine pic of Russ, btw. He's a great Senator.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 06:05 PM
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26. I love John Kerry too.
And that other Senator from Massachussetts, Senator Kennedy.
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muffin1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 09:33 PM
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God, I love that man...
what the repukes did to him was absolutely disgusting. In fact, my freeper boss used to laugh at him, saying he wasn't WOUNDED ENOUGH in Vietnam...the boss was one of those "band-aid" idiots. John Kerry, who volunteered not once, but TWICE, for the most dangerous duties in that war, was maligned by fuckers who NEVER SERVED a day in their lives.
I have to say, I cried like a baby the day he conceded.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:54 AM
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67. THAT is the most amazing picture!
Gave me goose pimples when i saw it...

if any picture says a million words it's that one.

and this is coming from a guy that has some problems with Senator Kerry.

but it's a stunning, beautiful portrait of a beautiful human being.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 06:08 PM
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27. Yes, my representative Jan Schakowsky
She was very helpful in our fight to get BP to not increase pollution in the Great Lakes.

She is a very vocal active progressive and in all the years of her holding office, I've only disagreed with her position once.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 07:07 PM
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36. I heard her speak in person when I lived in Chicago
Nothing like a mom who becomes politically active. She is so down to earth and in touch with regular people.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 06:09 PM
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28. Most of the black and Jewish ones ... and Dennis, of course.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 06:09 PM
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29. My Representative, Jan Schakowsky
I am enormously proud of the represenative of the Illinois 9th District in Congress.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:03 PM
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40. Did you go see her today in Evanston?
She held a meeting on Iraq this afternoon.

She is a wonderful representative to have when one is a progressive, isn't she.
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OutNow Donating Member (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 06:18 PM
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30. Lloyd Doggett, Ann Richards, Ladybird, Barbara Jordan
As hard as he tried, Tom Delay could not get Lloyd Doggett out of Congress. Doggett spoke at the final huge antiwar rally in Austin right before Bush invaded Iraq. Many insiders warned him not to speak (Texas is too conservative, don't want to appear to be against "the troops", don't want to make Bush mad - he has lots of support in Texas, etc.). His speech, surrounded by his family, was simple and strong and sincere - no war in Iraq. I was very proud of him that day.

Of course I can never leave out Ann Richards and Ladybird Johnson and Barbara Jordan from the list of Austin Democrats that I will respect forever.

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rosesaylavee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 06:22 PM
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31. Yes, Feingold is certainly one.
Edited on Sat Aug-25-07 06:25 PM by rosesaylavee
Al Gore

Bobby Kennedy

John Kerry

George Soros

H2O Man, Skinner, Autorank, NanceGreggs and many others here on DU

Our DEM candidates all are worthy of my respect. Any one of them on their worst day can beat all the Republican candidates combined on their collective best day.

My Senators - Durbin and Obama

edit: I know I am going to leave some important individuals off the list. I am just so proud to be associated with a party that can produce such fine minds and such courageous patriots.

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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 06:23 PM
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32. Ted Kennedy is the most liked and respected of all the senators
I suppose it is no wonder the republicans constantly make fun of him. I think he works in the back ground and gets a lot done. He is the polished speaker his brother was and he never had the charisma. But I think he makes a good senator.

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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 07:10 PM
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37. He's a workhorse.
And the Republicans hate the Kennedys. But he's way past just being a Kennedy. It was a good thing he gave up his presidential ambitions a long time ago and just focused on being a good senator.
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Fearless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 12:02 AM
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93. Kennedy for sure
Edited on Mon Aug-27-07 12:22 AM by nothingtoofear
especially for his work forcing Romney to sign the universal health care bill on top of all the other great things he's done for this nation. He's one of few I'd ever want to be seen with.

Then Barney Frank. Just listen to some of the things he says. Youtube it.

And Deval Patrick, for secretly defeating the marriage ban amendment.

*If anyone doesn't think that Kennedy had something big to do with the signing of the healthcare bill check out this link... It gives me tingles... :patriot:

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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 06:29 PM
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33. yes many
bill clinton, jimmy carter, and my husband probably top the list...
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 06:42 PM
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34. Howard Dean! The Doctor is IN!
Without Howard, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 09:33 PM
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44. yeah!
howard dean is the man!
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 07:19 PM
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39. dave obey and john edwards
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 08:28 PM
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41. Well, yeah!
Kucinich. He represents the America I want to live in.
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 09:19 PM
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42. He's a wonderful man.
I saw him speak at the TBA and he was fabulous.
I agree. He's another Dem who makes me proud.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-25-07 09:24 PM
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43. Why isn't Russ running? I'd LOVE to work for him.
Yes, I admire many Democrats when I'm not bitching about the rest of them.

lol

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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 07:41 AM
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45. Too hard to raise money.
But I bet he'll be on somebody's ticket sooner or later. :hi:
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 09:35 AM
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53. also he's recently divorced--currently spouse-less.
So that makes it harder to run. I also read that he sees a lot he can accomplish in the Senate now that we have the majority.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:58 PM
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77. I hope so! It would be nice to get to vote for him!
:hi:
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:05 PM
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78. We revere him here in Wisconsin
A friend of mine says he was running for Vice President when he was out there a while ago. The man is not just on the right side of things, he is amazingly smart. That doesn't mean he'll get elected. But whatever it is, he's got it. In Wisconsin, 2004 there were laws with signs for Bush and Feingold... go figure.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:18 PM
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79. He and Boxer are my favorites. If I had a lawn, I'd put up a sign
for them. Just for the hell of it. :)
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 04:32 PM
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87. In 2010 I'll send you one.
:hi:
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 07:45 AM
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46. Whitehouse, Kucinich, Braley...
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 07:48 AM
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47. Gore! ..and John Kerry...thats it folks..eom
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 07:48 AM by flyarm
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 07:50 AM
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48. Gore, Durbin, and many more. Off to the greatest for this positive thread.
:kick:
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 07:56 AM
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49. Dennis Kucinich and the Black Congressional Caucus.

No Democratic senators because not one would support the BCC in their protest against allowing SCOTUS to give Florida's electors to *.

The BCC tried to save us, and they keep trying, as does Dennis, but the Dems in the Senate are basically useless.
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 08:02 AM
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50. Wellstone--sadly he is gone
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Senator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 08:35 AM
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51. Not That Impeachophobe
Senator GroupThink's "censure it under the rug" solution for politely enabling the regime is perhaps the worst of them.

Kucinich and those who are onboard to impeach cheney (hopefully, first) are the only ones demonstrating something to be proud of.

The rest of them are in full retreat from the terrifying prospect of defending the Constitution.

Only Impeachment ... can restore Our Party's self-esteem.

It IS our positive agenda.

It is our ONLY moral, patriotic, (and legal, legislative, electoral, diplomatic...) option.

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 08:45 AM
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52. Kucinich, Boxer, Maxine Walters, Jesse Jackson Jr., Howard Dean,
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 08:46 AM by Vidar
Feingold & a few others.
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 09:45 AM
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54. Defazio, Fiengold, Kuchinich, Edwards, Gore - that's sort of about it.
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 09:47 AM by Exiled in America
None of these people are perfect (listen up all you people who think just because those of us who aren't sniveling democratic apologists we somehow "don't understand the reality of politics" or "expect perfection" or "don't understand compromise") - I say again, none of these people are perfect.

I have disagreements with each one of them at points. But they are men of principle, with the courage to stand by those principles, even when it has sometimes put them at odds with the inside-the-beltway political mainstream.

Being a democrat should never mean having a "big tent" so big that you stand for nothing, because you embrace everything. The democratic party should agree on essential principles. Those who do not, should not be welcome in the party. Then, the democratic party should have freedom on non-essential positions and be inclusive with people who have different points of view on issues that are not at the core of the party platform.

That's not being unrealistic. That is the ONLY way to have an effective political party. The biggest thing that needs to happen now is we ought to fight to demand that our party leadership adopt that philosophy and have a convention to allow the MEMBERS of the party to determine once and for all what those core principles are.

EDIT - damn I forgot Boxer and Conyers.
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 09:49 AM
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56. Too bad we have to have a thread like this instead of "are there any democrats you aren't proud of?"
It goes to show you how broken this party has become. It is past time to do some serious, SERIOUS house cleaning and put in democratic leaders and representatives that will make us proud and serve this country with distinction rather than cowardly disgrace.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 09:48 AM
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55. We Dems have so many more politicians to be genuinely proud of
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 09:56 AM by ginnyinWI
than the other side does. Maybe that's why they're so peevish and mean!













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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 09:57 AM
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58. That's kind of sad that we have to do that kind of rationalizing. :(
"Hey, at least our side is better than the other side"

I'm sorry, that's just not acceptable or comforting anymore. I'm tired of working for the party that "sucks less."

There are a very SMALL number of very great democrats that truly represent the core principles and legacy of this party. But that's it. And it's time for a party revolution, time to clean house, time to take the party back, rebuild and reform.

You can start by working to throw out:
- every democrat that voted yes on the IWR - if I had enough documented proof at that time to know the case for war was a lie, the no congressmen or senator has any excuse for authorizing over 4,000 US troops and (according to the london medical journal) over a million iraqi civilians to die.

- every democrat that voted for the USA Patriot Act and/or its re-authorization.

- every democrat that voted for CAFTA

- every democrat that voted for the bankruptcy reform bill

- any/every democrat that voted for John Roberts or Sam Alito

- every democrat that voted to give the administration expanded surveillance powers that completely contradict the principles of the constitution

That would be a start.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:43 AM
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64. When I hear the Green Party bashing the Dems
and saying they are just as bad as Republicans, it makes me realize how bad it sounds when we are too critical. The Democrats are a much better party than the Republicans, and if the Green Party would join forces with us instead of criticizing us, they could make it even better.
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:26 PM
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83. You can't be too critical when its the truth.
You can only be too critical if its false.

Is my party exactly the same as the Republican party? Of course not. If it was, then I wouldn't worry about being affiliated with the Democratic party, because it wouldn't matter.

However, are their far too many similarities between the two parties? Are both parties far to controlled by corporations and the interests of the wealthy power elite? Is the scope of public debate so narrowed by both political parties that it only reflects about a tenth of the entire spectrum of political discourse? Do both parties scoff and shun people trying to expand the scope of the debate? Have both parties contributed to the widening disparity between the staggeringly rich and the desperately poor in this country?

YES.

And we should be honest about that, because that's how change starts.

Has our own party regularly failed to defend the constitution, protect civil rights, protect human rights, truly protect our security and defend our reputation as a nation in the world?

YES.

And we should be honest about that too. Does that mean all Democrats are to blame? Of course not. There are three places where criticism and blame is totally appropriate in the Democratic party:

1) Democratic Congressional leadership - deserves criticism because they have, on multiple occaisions, literally had the power to prevent an egregious betrayal of the constitution from happening and they let it happen.

2) "Blue Dog" Democrats - deserve criticism because it isn't even enough that we get a majority in congress, and it isn't even enough if we elected a super-majority in 2008. As long as these self-labeled "Blue Dog" democrats continue to vote against everything the party tries to put forward, and side with neo-conservatives over and over again, it doesn't really matter much if you put the words "Democratic-Controlled" in front of the word Congress.

3) Democratic National Committee, i.e. the leadership of the Democratic National Party - it is always appropriate to criticize leaders when things are happening in an organization that are worthy of criticism. The DNC should be saying "the buck stops here" and demanding that its party representatives agree on essential principles while remaining free to disagree on non-essentials. If the DNC doesn't know what the "essential party principles" are, and can't articulate them in point blank, non-apologizing, non-abstract bullet points, then we need to have a party convention to figure out who the fuck we are and who the fuck we are not.

If that makes me sound like a "green party" person, so be it. Much of the criticisms greens make are accurate. The only difference is they work to change from the outside, and I believe we can work to reform from within.

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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 03:17 PM
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85. I agree with their platforms
but its just a little too easy to sit on the outside and criticize. I'd rather see someone with green values who gets inside the Democratic party and works like a dog to change it.

Last year I worked for a liberal Dem running for Congress who didn't have a very good chance against a rep. We had a good Green candidate running for Senate but she only pulled 40,000 votes. She would have been better than our moderate Dem and would have been a real challenge in the primary. Anyway, I compared her positions to my guys and they were almost exactly the same. So she really wouldn't have had to change anything. But she didn't want to 'contaminate' herself. Her loss, our loss.
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stlsaxman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:44 AM
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71. excuse me- but she said nothing about "sucking less"...
paraphrasing, she said "we're BETTER than they are". and she is correct- we ARE better than they are. No "at least" about it.

Throw out "every democrat that..." and guess what you'll get- republicans. go work for Ron Paul and split the GOP apart, please? your efforts are better spent there. peevish and mean, indeed!

You put words in ginny's mouth- so you can eat these words.
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Exiled in America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:31 PM
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84. In this case, saying we're better only means we suck less.
Both political parties have more failures than they do successes. That's just a fact.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 09:53 AM
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57. I sure do wish Russ Feingold was running for President
So he might not have played well in Alabama or Mississippi. He would have been spectacular in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina, Texas, etc.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:01 AM
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59. I sure do like your first choice, and would add to that names like
Bella Abzug, Ramsey Clark, Barbara Boxer, John Kerry, John Edwards, Dennis Kucinich, Brian Schweitzer, Mo Udall, Robert Kennedy, Robert kennedy Jr., Birch Bayh, Ernest Hollings, Gaylord Nelson, Howard Metzenbaum, John Conyers, Henry Waxman, Julian Bond, Joe Hogsett, Joe Biden, Mario Cuomo, Gary Hart, Barack Obama, Harriet Woods, Bill Moyers, Kathleen Sebelius, Paul Wellstone, Vance Hartke, Chuck Schumer, Betty Castor, George McGovern, and Howard Dean, just to name some.

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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:20 PM
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76. Hubert Humphrey
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:01 AM
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60. Gore, Boxer, Feingold, Kucinich, Whitehouse (he rocks!), Waters, Barbara Lee, Sheila Jackson Lee
& Diane Watson.
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laylah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:06 AM
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61. Dick Durbin! and
Feingold.
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Maribelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:32 AM
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62. Hillary
One of the things I most admire about Hillary is the depth of her courage.

I have personally witnessed this deep courage as perhaps the greatest gift we can receive. It gives us strength to face the hardships of bleak days, and hope for uncertain times, it fosters survival against the greatest of odds.

Hillary has proven to me and many others she has this gift of deep courage, a strong quality our country desperately needs in these uncertain times, in the long struggles ahead as we attempt to undo the severe damage the corrupt Bush administration has done to our children, our county, the world, and our esteem in the eyes of the world. I am proud of her.

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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:33 AM
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63. I'm proud of her for being a fast and tough fighter.
She never backs down, and she's smart and fast about taking her own shots.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:48 AM
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65. Our rep here: Jim McDermott.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:50 AM
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73. I'll second that! He consistantly makes me proud he's our rep here.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:51 AM
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66. my late mother, my aunt and uncle, my boyfriend
:)

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:03 AM
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68. Dennis Kucinich
Barbara Boxer
Maxine Waters
Cynthia McKinney
Barbara Lee
Al Gore

There are other Democrats that I like and appreciate, but that's different from "making me proud." I can like a Democrat, and appreciate some or much of their work, and support them, without feeling "proud" of them.
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:30 AM
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69. Truman, RFK, McGovern n/t
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:31 AM
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70. My eternal crush, George McGovern


War hero, would-be war-ender; ethical, sensible, smart, salt-of-the-earth old-style liberal. When God finished making George, She broke the mold.
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vssmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:34 PM
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80. Did you like Eugene McCarthy too?
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:50 AM
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72. All of the cosponsors of HR333, including Bob Filner...
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 11:50 AM by calipendence
... who's probably paying the price for doing so on his recent trip through Virginia with the Cynthia McKinney style attack on him for "assault" and "battery"...

And of course many of the others mentioned here (Gore, Feingold, Boxer, etc., etc.)
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:20 PM
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75. Yes. But I don't make rockstars out of them.
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 12:20 PM by Gregorian
This is something that contributed to my sentiments about "a guy" who was on the Daily Show last week. I happen to like that guy. But there is way too much attention and praise heaped on what should be just regular common sense.

I agree that in the state of politics, Feingold is a gem.

I fear the days of common sense are gone. I know one of the big contributors is a monster sized population moving at too high a speed. What I mean can be summed up in one observation-


1000 barrels of oil per second. That's what we're doing on this planet. We've empowered the ugly and violent. They always existed, but we've fueled them. And we're destroying the earth.


1000 barrels of oil per SECOND.

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avenger64 Donating Member (554 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:49 PM
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81. First post ...
JFK, FDR
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:55 PM
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82. Kucinich, Fiengold, Gore, Biden.
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 01:56 PM by bamacrat
I wouldn't mind seeing a Kucinich/Fiengold ticket.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 03:28 PM
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86. Certainly. All who have signed onto HR 333.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:34 PM
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88. love my congressperson, barbara lee. and my senator, barbara boxer
there's something about the name barbara, i think. :think:
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:36 PM
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89. You better believe it!
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byronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 06:08 PM
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90. Barbara Boxer, and the standard list of Honorable Americans -- you know them.
But Boxer's single vote against certifying Ohio's ballots is legend to me; it was breathtaking. Debra Bowen, California's Secretary Of State, is another. Holy Camoley, what a pivotal moment in history her election was.

I know enough to know who really says it out loud, and fights the good fight, who to trust -- it's easy to see who our best and brightest are.

Run, Al.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:09 PM
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91. Conyers! Boxer! Lee! the entire black caucus! Feingold! Bobby Kennedy!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:19 PM
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92. That man there is near the top of the list. Along with Gore, Kucinich, & Boxer.
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 11:20 PM by impeachdubya
Many are good, but only a few have been unassailably great in recent years.
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OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 12:32 AM
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94. Howard Dean, Barbara Boxer, Al Gore, Wes Clark
and many more that aren't so high-profile. The Dems in my neighborhood Dem club work hard to get our message out and get progressives elected, so I'm pretty proud of them, too.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 02:30 AM
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95. All the ones who signed on as cosponsors to HR 333
Coincidentally, they are the same people who voted against IWR and most of the other crap that has passed over the last six years.
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