romney's worried about the movie about Brigham Young, "September Dawn"

[Philosoraptor]

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/2007/08/24/2007-08-24_westward_woe_in_1857_utah.html

Still, when this scene occurs in Christopher Cain's disturbingly awful "September Dawn," there are heavy portents of trouble. Jonathan's father, Mormon bishop Samuelson (Jon Voight), is crazier than a bed bug, and Emily's father, the Rev. Hudson (Daniel Libman), is everything the bishop hates.

"September Dawn," written by an evangelical Christian, may be the worst historical drama ever made. Not because it is about to offend one of the country's fastest growing religions - Mitt Romney, beware - but because in placing a glib romantic fable at its center, it trivializes one of America's ugliest and least understood events.

The Mountain Meadows Massacre, graphically reenacted here, occurred during the so-called Utah War, when U.S. troops were preparing to dislodge Mormon prophet and 27-wived Brigham Young as the territorial governor.

When the Baker-Fancher wagon train entered the territory, many Mormons believed they were in cahoots with the government, and though it was never proven that Young sanctioned the slaughter, it was clearly conducted by church minions, with the help of Paiute Indians.

[graywarrior]

1. Not to mention the massacre occurred on September 11

[Philosoraptor]

2. The day of Gen. Betrayus's Iraq report...what are the odds?

Things that make you go huh?

[SidDithers]

25. About 1 in 365?..nt

Sid

[eleny]

3. And then there's the HBO series "Big Love"

Talk about your crazy bed bugs.

[rzemanfl]

4. I bet he is peeing in his magic underwear about this. n/t

[sam sarrha]

5. is it just a Coincidence this came out now...????!!

[Philosoraptor]

6. Written by an evangelical Christian, for what it's worth.

[sam sarrha]

9. like Islam the Fundies NEVER FORGET..... LINK> this explains the split in Islam

http://www.Islamfortoday.com/shia.htm ....It is a Freak'n 1400 year old Family Fued..!!!!:crazy:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

24. I didn't know that. I recently watched a PBS program on Mormons and it was the first

time I had heard of the Mountain Meadow Massacre and its cover-up.

[sam sarrha]

7. quick story..the young Mormon boys knocked on our door. my wife let them in an gave them Iced lemon

aid and cookies... it was 110* outside.. they said they wanted to talk about Mormonism, my wife said sure.. if when they were thu she could talk about Buddhism*.. she is NSA*, they talked then she told them abut Buddhism.... them the younger Mormon said, "so...if i was a Buddhist i wouldn't have to walk around and knock on doors.?" the other guy grabbed him and dragged him out the door. :rofl:

[Philosoraptor]

8. That heat gets to you.

:rofl: !!!

[MuseRider]

10. At least they will listen.

Try asking an evangelical talibornagain to listen.

I'm sorry, I am a jack mormon and I left because of all the stupid stuff (what I considered stupid and not anything I was willing to agree to) but they are not bad people and to stereotype them all with something that happened so long ago is wrong.

Oh yes, I don't give a flying fuck if they vote Republican. The Mormons I know are good people and many of them vote a liberal ticket.

This was not directed to you entirely sam sarrha, only the first part. I love the reaction of the missionary, they are usually just kids doing what they are told to do even if they question it. Did you know that they do not have to do a mission?

[trumad]

12. Every Mormon I've ever met...

and that includes the kids on the bikes with their name tags--- have been very decent people. I think their religion is whacked---but hey, what do I know---I'm a Catholic.

[helderheid]

13. I hate all the bashing that goes on here. I don't understand what makes

Mormonism any "sillier" than the next religion. I was raised Quaker (in Northern Utah) and now consider myself more Buddhist than anything but I suppose "spiritual" would be the best description. Oh, and I believe in Science! I don't think it's mutually exclusive. :)

:hi:

[sam sarrha]

16. nobody is perfect.. i think all religions are silly, which they think is bashing, but

i suffered torture at the hands of religion as a child.. i am still recovering..

here is a insight.. http://www.islamfortoday.com/shia.htm it is apparent that the 14000year old family Feud in islam is a lot more important than the teachings of the prophet to many Muslims.. or is it.?? if you dont understand this you dont understand what is going on with fundamentalist islam, or in Iraq. there is going to be a Blood Bath and we need to get out of taking any side or we call down the worst of relition upon us.

we need to get an overview of religion, but it is hard to do that from a filtered wiew

and now we have a serious split in religion here in this country.. managed and developed by the Rethugs.. this is the same thing that happened in Saudi Arabia, they started a fundamentalist faction that is now about to rip out their throats

http://www.insider-magazine.com/ChristianMafia this is sooo fascinating.. they run the Christian Prayer Breakfasts you hear about on the news any politician attends if they want to be anybody.

discussing these things are not basning.. we need an open dialogue, without obstructions, but mindful of the consequences.. re: the scene in the Matrix .. where all the tv screens show a different responce and the trick is the 'Skillful means' to know the consequences of each.. i know this is pissing in the wind.. i dont have hope for mandkind.. that is why they call it Samsara

[helderheid]

21. Discussing is one thing - bringing up the "magic underwear" and giggling is bashing to me.

[sam sarrha]

27. i agree, that isnt a discussion.. but maybe magic is, like prayers able to keep bridges from falling

down and preventing 911... as is presently being asked to presidential candidates in debates..

but not magic underwear.. i agree

[TwilightGardener]

20. I agree--I have lived in Utah, and the Mormons are good and decent folk.

I am very uncomfortable with making fun of someone's religion, speaking as a Catholic--we haven't always gotten the best reception historically, either. I make the occasional magic underwear joke, but I'm ashamed of it. And I don't think a massacre that happened 100-some years ago should reflect on Mittens (or Harry Reid) in any way--that's just silly.

[sam sarrha]

14. i knew a lot of Mormons, worked for one.. i lived in Elko NV.. it is the same with all religion, a

lot of good people frequently just dealing the best they can with what they have been dealt with in life. Religion is a Tribal entity, it is essential the members be controlled to keep them from naturally evolving into World View from where you can never return. that is why they are so freaked out about evolution.

when the Buddha lay dying the monks asked him what to do.. what to follow, the Buddha said that any path that made a person more loving and compassionate was a good path to follow.

i suffer from PTSD from early childhood experience with extremist fundamentalists christian Churches, it was only after studying and practicing the Four Noble Truths and the 8 Fold Path and becoming a Buddhist after 4 years of intense study did i really understand religion.. it was hard to let go of the past, but meditation has helped me soooo much.. i am no where near perfect, but i realized in Meditation after 3 years of parctace 3 meetings a week, that Buddhism is like A.A. only it is an 8 step program for addiction to conventional thinking.

after 27 years of alcohol addiction i was finally able to quit drinking thru meditation and support from the members of the Chenrezig Center in in El Paso TX.. My eternal thanks

[MuseRider]

15. To the three posters above

thanks. I can't respond with anything else now, I am leaving but I did want to say thanks and :hi:.

[mwb970]

29. OK, Mormons aren't bad people. But why do they believe crap?

Of all the wacked-out religions in the world (and there are quite a few), Mormonism seems to me to be one of the wackiest. What you call "all of the stupid stuff" is a huge, truly surreal collection of crackpot ideas and insane fantasies - I don't need to go through the list here.

I'll take your point that Mormons are not "bad". But what are they then? Stupid? Gullible? Brain-dead? What normal person could swallow the idiocies that they believe with all their hearts?

The point is, you don't have to be "bad" to be dangerous.

[helderheid]

11. I LOVE IT!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

26. lol! Your story is better than mine! I had Christian Scientists knock on my door. 2 women.

I told them I wasn't interested, that I was a Buddhist. Then the younger one said to me, you have such a peaceful smile. I then told her that perhaps she should look into Buddhism and discussed it a bit with her. She left but I really do believe she was interested. :)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

17. I started a thread a few days ago about this. I asked if people thought if this would kill

Romney's run for President. I received several replies from sensible DUers who from their point of view, thought that to link him to this massacre that took place 150 years ago would be ridiculous. I rebutted saying that I personally don't have a problem with Mormons, but many people have mistrust and considering one of the Mormon's major Prophet, Brigham Young covered it up and blamed a Native American tribe, it would just stir up more feelings of distrust.

Link to my thread
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1637896

[Fierce]

18. Truth hurts, Romney.

Learn something about your religion.

[Wiregrass Willie]

19. Maybe this will inspire Mitt to tell us what it's like being raised in a harem n/t

[msongs]

22. evaluate a religion by who it excludes, hates, demonizes, persecutes, & scapegoats, for the

purposes of maintaining the power of the political and priest classes, supporting oppression, manipulating group members, and last but certainly not least, bringing in $$$$$$$.

Msongs
www.msongs.com

[porphyrian]

23. Facts and truth are inconvenient to his campaign. - n/t

[Philosoraptor]

28. ..............

[bunkerbuster1]

30. I would hope the take-away from this film is what the take-away SHOULD'VE been post 9/11

Which is (drum roll please)...

Violent religious extremism is bad, mmmkay?