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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 09:36 AM
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John & Elizabeth Edwards On Face the Nation RIGHT NOW..
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 09:36 AM by Blackhatjack
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merbex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 09:38 AM
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1. He just said that the Democrats should consider using the filibuster
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 09:40 AM
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2. :insert shameless love letter to John here:
:loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya:
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 09:57 AM
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3. An uplifting interview of people committed to making the lives of others better...
To have the empathy for those who cannot help themselves, and to place those people first, is so different from many of the other candidates.

Who would not want a person like John Edwards making decisions with EVERYONE's interest in mind and not just the special interest groups and corporate interests?
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:00 AM
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4. IF you looked at the positions of the Edwards Campaign without knowing which candidate took them...
... you can see the humanity of the decisions made in creating such a platform.

We must put people first, the middle class, the working class, the poor, ... they all must have a place at the table --which has not happened over the last 6 years.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:03 AM
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5. The electorate is going to have to fight off the bombardment
of propaganda from the media to be able to realize exactly which candidates are on their side and which ones aren't.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:07 AM
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7. So true... if the public votes in their own interests imagine the change in Washington.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:26 AM
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9. Exactly! It amazes me that the Republican Party has been
propped up by the Southern states when the interest of the majority of Southern people would be better served by a Democratic regime. Unfortunately, too many Southerners have allowed themselves to be sucked into the Republican machine by issues that are highly emotional but don't have any significant positive effect on Government.

Take the issue of "prayer in schools". There has always been prayer in schools and always will be. But, prayers in school have no significant impact on anything. If the people want their children to pray, they could do it at home.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:33 AM
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10. Posters here at DU do not yet realize that Many Southern States are not Red anymore...
Rove would tell you that previously 'Red' states are not red anymore. Purple at best in many states.

Southerners are not oblivious to the economy and the war in Iraq. It is the DEmocrats general election to lose.
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:37 AM
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11. During the past 20 years, I have lived in Miss.,La, Al and GA.
They all still seem to be mostly "red". I'll believe the turnaround when I see it happen in the next election.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:55 AM
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13. NC is deemed "Red" but that is really not true at all, especially this time...
NC has a Dem Gov and Dem controlled Legislature. Lots of progressives live in the 'fertile crescent' of urban areas from Raleigh-Greensboro-Charlotte.

One of the biggest factors is the large number of military bases in NC. The military families do not make pubic statements, but those of us who know them are aware of just how much they oppose this Administration and its policies.

Because Senators do not turn over frequently we ended up with 2 Repub Senators. That is going to change. People here have had it with Bush and Repub Iraq War multiple deployments.

A Repub fundamentalist religious gambit is not going to work in NC in 2008.

The best Repubs could hope for is a 'Purple' state now.
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petersjo02 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:06 AM
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16. Good grief
Military families making "pubic" statements! What next? :7
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:11 AM
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18. And the Catholic Church being overly concerned with "pelvic issues"
per historian Gary Wills in the book "Papal Sin".

I thought that was a good description of the Catholic Church's obsession with sexuality: birth control, abortion, homosexuality, divorce, etc.

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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:14 AM
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19. Military families are intensely loyal and patriotic, but they have opinions they keep to themselves
they are hurting something awful. Families have been separated in some cases for almost 2 years. Multiple deployments. Financially pressed beyond belief. Trouble getting healthcare for their soldiers upon return. And no coherent policy as to ending this war.

Look at the Generals who have retired and are now speaking out. In large measure they are speaking out for military families.

It is shameful how this Administration has 'used' the military and their families for political purposes and in reality how they have 'abused' them.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:30 PM
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25. not just that
as the true nature of the invasion and 'war' get clearer to all, through such things as the documentaries and the Rolling Stone article, more and more of the military will realize they were 'had'.

When truly patriotic people who joined the military to defend America against foreign attackers realize they have been duped into being party to an assault on America from within - well, watch out.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:37 PM
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27. They know... and that explains why Bush quit coming to NC to stand in front of the troops...
They are plenty fed up and know the truth about how this ADministration has used and abused them.

Still, I do not expect the great majority to reveal those opinions to anyone except their fellow military families, relatives and close friends.
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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 02:51 PM
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33. The only thing red about the South is Diebold and ES&S, et al.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:42 PM
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30. We're immersed in the politics of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" ...
... and nothing could be further from the truth.

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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:45 PM
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31. Except sometimes "the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy"
the one issue the Iraqis may agree on is they all want the US out, and they may join together long enough to see that it happens.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:05 AM
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6. Many people are having a problem with John Edwards telling them the truth...
... he is honest about tax cuts that must be rolled back. He is honest in saying no one knows what will happen in the Middle East, but that deploying out of Iraq gives us the best chance of avoiding a regional conflict.

He has apologized for mistakes he has made, which is anathema for a politician.

How great would it be to have a President talk directly to the AMerican people and give us both the good news and the bad news, knowing he is telling us the truth?

We need that in the worst way if this country is going to pull together and address our serious problems.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:54 AM
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12. He frightens the GOP and corporate leaders
He's like Bill Clinton, in some ways better, in that he understands the business world and the economy and how to balance those with an agenda to eliminate poverty in the US.

He's a very big threat to their well entrenched mythology about Democratic ideals.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:03 AM
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14. IMHO he frightens the MSM as well, and their corporate parents...
Think about the truth the MSM might reveal if the big players were forced to break up, and the monopoly were broken.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:04 AM
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15. Oh, yeah
MSM is very frightened of him. I worry they will try to give him the Howard Dean treatment.

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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 10:09 AM
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8. I wish all our candidates demonstrated the sense of commitment and sacrifice for others like Edwards
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:07 AM
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17. my sincere attempts to keep an open mind
Edited on Sun Aug-26-07 11:08 AM by frogcycle
have pretty much fallen by the wayside.

Every time I hear him I like him better*. The others? Not so much. Maybe I could put together a composite from several of the others that would come close, but in a one-to-one comparison, he seems to win every time, despite my every effort to be agnostic.

*and this morning was no exception
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:18 AM
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20. IF and when people start really looking at choosing a candidate, Edwards represents their interests
How much will we let the MSM and their corporate parents influence the choice of our next President?

THis is an opportunity to break the cycle with a Dem candidate who can reach across the lines with high favorability numbers to independent, undecided and unaffiliated voters.

This country needs a CHANGE in the worst way. IT needs to start with a President who is not owned by corporate and elitist interests. We need John Edwards.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:32 AM
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21. Just listened to Brownback interviewed by Wolfie on CNN, what a difference b/t candidates...
What a disaster this country will be in if a Repub like Brownback were to 'take office' as President.

I will never believe Brownback could get a majority of votes cast for President.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:57 AM
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22. So far the media treatment of Edwards
Has been largely just to ignore him, while pundits like o'loofa toss off remarks like "he is irrelevant - hasn't got a chance"

The few things they have actually said negative are (1) lightweight stuff about haircuts and house size which only appeal to those whose minds are made up to vote for whatever cretin the pugs nominate (2) his vote on the authorization of force, for which a lot of people will accept his current statements, and (3) the shrill claims that he is an ambulance chaser who got rich via frivolous lawsuits, easily defused by the actual substance of those suits.

At the end of the day, balancing those so-called objections against his strong populist message, who would you expect to vote for/against him? The big-business interests will vote against him, and they will advertise heavily to get the public to buy those weak objections and pick their guy, who will continue to screw the people over. My bet is on the public not being that stupid. Oh, their are lots of pretty stupid people, to be sure, but a lot of them have been shaken awake by having fallen for that crap twice. The general public will vote for him, except for the holdouts who think promises of more tax cuts are legitimate.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:03 PM
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23. The 2 candidate showdown(HRC v BO) has been a MSM theme from the beginning...
and when you look at all the polls where AL GORE is listed though he is not running, it actually serves to preserve the HRC v. BO showdown.

I hear over and over what positive responses Edwards is getting everywhere he speaks in IOWA and NEW HAMPSHIRE --but you would never know it if you listened to the MSM exclusively.

I for one would like to hear HRC and BO addressing the issues that Edwards has raised, and IMHO that is just the agenda the MSM would like to bury in the upcoming election.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:27 PM
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24. if that reponses translates into votes
and I think it will, the race will be turned upside-down

The MSM will try their damnedest to stop him though. The job they did on Dean was amazing. I watched that clip over and over, and could not see it nearly as negatively as it was portrayed. He was exhausted, he was disappointed, and he was trying to not show it. He went over the top in the effort. Big deal.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:33 PM
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26. It is all about perception over substance... they sunk Dean with perception...
I watched the entire Dean speech and I thought the 'scream' was taken way out of context, falsely portrayed and replayed hundreds of times with the intention of bringing Dean down.

I wish Dean had remained a viable candidate because he would have brought a lot more influence to the convention where the platform was established.

Likewise, I wish Edwards had staved off ending his campaign for at least another 2 weeks. I heard that the poll numbers his campaign received AFTER he announced he was ending his campaign showed huge gains into the Kerry numbers. They subsequently ran together on the ticket, but it was clear who was setting the campaign strategy and Bob Shrum deserves a lot of the blame.

People inside the Edwards campaign know that Edwards wanted to fight the results in Ohio, but it was not his call. To his credit he never revealed this about the Kerry decision.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:39 PM
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28. Starting with couric giving
them the evil eye about their decision to go ahead with John's campaign.
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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 12:41 PM
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29. Yeah she did not quit and go home to be with her hubby when he was diagnosed...
The more I see of Katie the worse she grates on me. Too much fake concern, too lightweight, and too willing to take the Administration lies at face value.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 01:29 PM
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32. When someone in the media takes
the white house at their word..that is their defining moment as "mediafuckingwhore".
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