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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:16 PM
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Very Interesting: Kucinich putting the HEAT(literally) on oil companies
Big Oil's Particular Profits
How oil companies are taking advantage of basic thermal science to squeeze billions of dollars a year out of consumers' pockets.
Brian Beutler | August 22, 2007 | web only
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=big_oils_particular_profits


It's probably intuitive to most people that the gasoline in their fuel tank expands in the heat -- just like doorframes and cookware and everything else on the planet. What's probably less intuitive is that, in the United States, this physical phenomenon pumps a nearly $2 billion annual windfall out of consumers' pockets and into oil company coffers, according to numerous calculations, including a recent House of Representatives study.

The North Carolina-based company Gilbarco Veeder-Root manufactures a device -- a temperature-sensitive chamber for fuel -- that, if affixed to gasoline pumps across the country, would return that money to consumers and help relieve some of our storied gas-price pressures. The device -- and others like it -- is simple, functional and, in fact, already in widespread use at gas stations all across Canada. Last month, Democratic presidential hopeful and Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich, chair of the Domestic Policy Subcommittee, held the second in a series of hearings to investigate why the technology has never made it into the American market.

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It is if you live in Canada, at least. There, gasoline retailers install metering systems in their pumps to determine how much the fuel they sell has cooled or heated from its standardized refinery temperature, and then adjust the price accordingly. If the fuel has become warmer, it also becomes cheaper. If it has cooled, it becomes more expensive. Which is to say that Canadians -- to a greater extent than Americans -- pay for the energy they get out of the gasoline and not for the volume of liquid fuel they purchase.

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Kucinich's hearings were designed to shed light on this and other double standards. Oil company executives, testifying under threat of subpoena, told the subcommittee that gas retailers in the United States don't use heat meters -- known as "automatic temperature compensation" -- because state regs don't let them. "State weights and measures regulations have not adopted temperature correction," said Hugh Cooley, a Shell Oil Company vice president, in answer to Kucinich's inquiries. Ben Soraci, Director of General Sales for ExxonMobil, echoed Cooley, insisting that "across the U.S. a gallon is still defined as 231 cubic inches by law."

But Kucinich offered evidence to the contrary. His subcommittee asked the National Institutes of Standards and Technology to survey all 50 states and the District of Columbia about their weights and measures rules. "Most states permit the use of temperature compensation at both the wholesale and retail level," Kucinich said the survey found. "In fact, NIST could find that automatic temperature compensation is only expressly prohibited in nine states for retail."



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Sherman A1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:24 PM
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1. Interesting - Thanks
:hi:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:35 PM
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4. If the fuel has become warmer, it also becomes cheaper...
What's the chance we will ever see that as long as oil co. execs. are running the country?
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:30 PM
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2. that's why you pay for a full tank in summer and get 3/4 of a tank
Yes, once again, DK is on target.
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:32 PM
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3. K&R!
In summer, you are really getting ripped off:

"Kucinich's hearings were designed to shed light on this and other double standards. Oil company executives, testifying under threat of subpoena, told the subcommittee that gas retailers in the United States don't use heat meters -- known as "automatic temperature compensation" -- because state regs don't let them. "State weights and measures regulations have not adopted temperature correction," said Hugh Cooley, a Shell Oil Company vice president, in answer to Kucinich's inquiries. Ben Soraci, Director of General Sales for ExxonMobil, echoed Cooley, insisting that "across the U.S. a gallon is still defined as 231 cubic inches by law."

But Kucinich offered evidence to the contrary. His subcommittee asked the National Institutes of Standards and Technology to survey all 50 states and the District of Columbia about their weights and measures rules. "Most states permit the use of temperature compensation at both the wholesale and retail level," Kucinich said the survey found. "In fact, NIST could find that automatic temperature compensation is only expressly prohibited in nine states for retail."

Yes DK, Go after these crooks!



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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:48 PM
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7. Yes, and prices ALWAYS rise in summer also...
so we're getting double ripped off.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:37 PM
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5. "a gallon is still defined as 231 cubic inches by law"
Yeah, that's not the issue, you dickless wonder.

The issue is "how much energy is IN those 231 cubic inches?" Or, to put it another way, "How many pounds of gasoline does those 231 cubic inches weigh?"

Because the THAT number changes with temperature!

:mad:
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rjones2818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 05:47 PM
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6. A presidential candidate who's
actually looking out for consumers?

For shame! :sarcasm:

Go Dennis!
http://dennis4president.com
Choose Peace!
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 02:47 PM
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13. Yeah, what a novel idea
:hi:
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 06:20 PM
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8. Just another reason he has my vote as of now!
Is it really that we are all hypnotized by the MSM and thats why you don't see more support for him? Even hear on DU,I would think he stands for what allot of us want but I still mainly hear of Clinton, Obama and Edwards? I just don't understand.
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 08:53 PM
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9. As of now I have...
not decided on who I will support in the primaries, but actions like these by DK could help tip the scale.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 09:14 PM
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10. Don't ya want to KISS this man
:woohoo:
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:34 AM
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12. I wouldn't go that far...
maybe a hug.:rofl: :hi:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-26-07 11:15 PM
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11. Rep. Dennis J. Kucinich: "Privatizing Iraq's Oil is Theft!"
"I want it made a matter of record that I have brought this issue up four times in the Democratic caucus...

Yesterday, I personally delivered to over 100 members of congress copies of the analysis..."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26Lr17usifg
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 06:40 PM
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14. Sometimes DK...
seems like the only one doing what he is supposed to be doing.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:04 PM
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15. Amazing isn't it, not one other candidate has addressed this
issue :(
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 05:52 PM
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16. Yes, it is amazing...
I hope at least the members of his committee get serious about this.(The Dems anyway)

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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:01 PM
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18. I highly doubt that. There was a press conference at the
National Press Club in January with Reid and Pelosi and they were asked about the draft Iraq Oil.

Reid never answered the question and then talked about alternative energy, it was clear that this was not the 'right' question to ask.

Cspan had the video and it was discussed here, a little, back in January. Not many Dems want to take on this issue.

Here's a recent interview though

Sesktak Warns Iraqi Oil Law Contains ‘Undue Ability Of U.S. Oil Companies To Control Iraqi Profits’
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/18/sestak-oil-law

"I mean they are going to get much more, if the draft is correct, of profits than we would under a normal oil sharing agreement, of these oil companies to a country like Saudi Arabia or others. Heaven forbid that at the end of this time, after all this, if we find out that there’s undue advantage given to our oil companies."
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-29-07 04:47 PM
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19. I have no faith...
in our Dem lawmakers to take on this issue. They like oil money just as much as repubs. Oh, and remember the war was going to be paid for by Iraqi oil revenues. What a joke!!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-29-07 08:56 PM
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21. Oh, and remember the war was going to be paid for by Iraqi oil
Edited on Wed Aug-29-07 09:01 PM by slipslidingaway
revenues. What a joke!!

Yes!

Only a few will take on the important issues and then they are marginalized :(
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dajoki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-30-07 12:03 PM
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22. Exactly...
Its great that Kucinich is taking this on, but I'll bet it doesn't get out of committee. What a shame, we can't even rely on our own party even though they're in the majority. What we need is a veto proof majority and/or a Dem president, then we will see if anything turns around.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 06:01 PM
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17. One of very few representatives, and the only Presidential candidate,
that gives a shit about us.:grr: (Edwards has started to make populist noises, but I'm still somewhat leery of him)

Probably the biggest single reason he's been declared "unelectable" by our corporate overlords.

:kick: & R


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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-29-07 05:03 PM
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20. of course he is
Dennis is the man!

:)
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