Freedom has been dead for decades, we are just hearing the swan song..

[The Vinyl Ripper]

Freedom died when the American people decided to let the government and private enterprise acting on the behalf of government to search through our bodily fluids for evidence to use against us on charges of failing to believe the government's lies.

Since there are no victims, drug "crimes" are crimes against the state.

[The Vinyl Ripper]

1. Another subject no one wants to talk about...

So where do the Democratic candidates stand on bringing the drug war to a close?

I seem to recall that Edwards is fine with the drug war as currently constituted. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong...

[The Vinyl Ripper]

2. What?

No one disagrees with me?

At least the one who recommended my post agreed with me..

[The Vinyl Ripper]

3. Round and round this post goes...

When it will get a reply, nobody knows..

[Wiley50]

4. My doctor Has Me On Heavy Narcotics: Fentanyl and Morphine

which I, legitimately need just to carry on a somewhat normal life
(being able to move around and go to the grocery store and such)

But the deal is ,in return, I have to let him test my urine
to make sure I'm not smoking pot

which makes the narcotics work so much better
and without all of the nausea

as well as give me a little happiness in life

Makes no sense, does it?

[bryant69]

5. Under what circumstances has random drug testing occured?

Isn't it largely an employement policy, not a governmental policy?

I know that I'd want to assure myself that my employees weren't using illicit narcotics.

Bryant
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[The Vinyl Ripper]

6. Could you not tell by their behavior?

If not, why would you care?

Employment policy is not effected by government policy?

[bryant69]

7. Ah so you favor firing people just cause they are acting oddly?

Isn't that more repressive?

Bryant

[donheld]

8. He/she's is in favor of firing people because they act odd

I find that itself odd. Lets fire him.

[Romulox]

11. "acting oddly"???

What a strange thing to say. You should fire a person because they aren't performing their job well.

If you're so insecure about your ability to judge employees that you need to collect and examine their urine and feces samples to judge their performance, maybe the problem lies with your management skills? :eyes:

[The Vinyl Ripper]

12. So you are in favor of searching people's most intimate bodily fluids?

Without any reason for suspicion?

And yes, if the behavior is so "odd" that someone cannot do their job the should be fired.

I answered a question, now you do the same.

[bryant69]

16. Yes I am in favor of random drug testing as a company policy

Or to be more precise, i think companies can decide for themselves whether or not they want to institute such policies.

Bryant

[The Vinyl Ripper]

17. Well, you certainly are a freedom loving individual. n/t

[bryant69]

19. What freedom am I stepping on?

The freedom to do illegal drugs?

Those drugs are called illegal for a reason.

Bryant

[TahitiNut]

9. If they're doing the job, what business is it of an employer?

The key words are "doing the job" and "business". I don't see employment as any legitimate license to intrude into personal matters.

Employers who believe they have the right to perform medical tests on their employees, but claim they don't know if someone's legally employable just slay me. Maybe if employers paid more attention to whether their PRODUCTS endangered the health of their customers instead of whther the employees smoked a joint at home the night before would be more worthy of their public license to do business?

[donheld]

10. Vinyl Ripper, maybe you need to explain a little

Maybe I'm too tired (no sleep) to get it, but I'm not sure what you are talking about.

[The Vinyl Ripper]

14. It seems perfectly obvious to me..

And apparently to a number of others on the thread.

Why should employers have the right to determine what you do when you are off the job as long as you can do the job?

The War On Drugs has gone on so long that Americans think Prohibition is perfectly normal and right.

[Romulox]

13. The support for the War on (some) Drugs has cost the Democrats millions of votes

Think of all of the young African American men disenfranchized for the benefit of the drug warriors and the for-profit prison industry alone...

[The Vinyl Ripper]

15. Excellent point...

And to go along with that point here's another.

Why should anyone who prefers an illegal drug to the two legal drugs bother to vote for a Democrat who wants to put them in prison just as much as the Republicans?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

18. Why Has It Been Dead For Decades?