Falcons owner re Vicks::: Blah blah blah "he did reprehesible acts, etc But IS NOT CUT FROM TEAM

[opihimoimoi]

Thats right...Vicks is not cut....they wanna rescue this guy after his crime time deal which may turn out to be anywhere from 1 month to 5 years

I wonder if he can clean the act.....

[Az]

1. In case you forgot professional sports are professional... that is to make money

If you are looking for moral consideration then do not look to Corporations. You won't find it there except as a marketing gimick to convince you that Corporations are your friends.

[wndycty]

4. It has nothing to do with any kind of moral defiency on the part of the Falcons

They take a negative impact if they cut him, IF HE IS KEPT OFF THE FIELD WHY SHOULD THE FALCONS CUT HIM? Him not being cut is not any kind of reward to Vick its just the business reality.

[wndycty]

2. There are reasons for not cutting him that have nothing to do with his crime. . .

. . .these are legal issues impacted by contracts, collective bargaining agreements, etc. I understand that Vick needs to be punished but the lynch mob has to understand that if the Falcons cut him they would suffer some negative impact. If Vick is kept off the field why should the Falcons have to suffer financially?

[Az]

7. Negative impact.... yep... thats business

People will distance themselves from something that is morally reprehensible. Even if it costs them. Corporations cannot walk away from money. That is literally everything they exist for.

[wndycty]

13. Actually not cutting him hurts VICK!

By not cutting him they are able to go after his $22 million signing bonus, which is bad for Vick.

So your knee jerk reaction is really silly.

[LTR]

15. There is a lot of red tape involved in this

First off, Vick has a pretty massive contract with the team. The Falcons are in the process of trying to take back roughly $22 million in signing bonus money. They are unable to release him now.

In order to cut him from the team, some sort of arrangement or loophole is needed. They also have to deal with the Players Union. This is going to be a long drawn-out process. As of now, he is suspended by the NFL without pay.

Most of the sports radio flacks are speculating that Vick won't be back with the team at all, and his official release is forthcoming. Nobody expects to see Vick back in a Falcons uniform.

[Johonny]

41. Not only that

I belive the signing bonus gets pro rated all to this season. Which means that current players on the roster may need to get cut to get the Falcon's under the salary cap. Why make other players lose their job, just because Vick is a criminal. You'd think going to jail and becoming a total disgrace in public would be enough for some people, but I guess some people are never satisfied.

[IndianaJones]

3. I wish people that don't know anything about sports would not comment...

on things they do not understand.

[opihimoimoi]

8. I am only 66 and I don't understand many things..but I do know Bad from Good...

This is a Bad picture which canardly turn out Good.

Falcons owner woulda coulda shoulda but didn't....there most likely will be a price...

[FredScuttle]

12. You're not understanding the poster's point

this has NOTHING to do with bad or good or anything moral.....due to the complexity of the NFL's collective bargaining agreement with the players union, the Falcons have to keep Vick on the roster to recoup the $22 million in signing bonuses they've paid him....once that's resolved, the team will drop him in a New York minute.

[wndycty]

16. Exactly, but the knee jerk lynch mob does not have time to learn about that!

:kick:

[opihimoimoi]

18. I say FUCK the 22 Mil...its not worth it...their Falcons name is more important than 22 mil

Don't they understand that?

[FredScuttle]

22. 22 million could buy them players that don't kill dogs

would you be opposed to that?

[madmom]

38. yeah, just like the people who don't know anything about politics and

the way our government is run............just saying!:toast:

[treestar]

56. People always do that

I have my areas of knowledge too and I see it all the time. We all do.

Try being nice and educating people.

[LiberalFighter]

5. Please get your fact correct

As one poster responded it has nothing to do about rehabilitating Vick it is necessary for them to recover monies paid to Vick.

[DemGa]

6. There's room for sociopaths in the organization

Looks like it might be up to the court of public opinion; I think this case will tell a lot about what sports fans will tolerate in players.

My opinion is that Vick is poison to any organization from this point on, and will likely never play in the NFL again.

[FredScuttle]

9. This may help explain

from today's Atlanta Journal-Constitution: http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/falcons/stories/2007/08/25/vickbonus_0826.html

It boils down to this: the NFL asked the Falcons to hold off on any action until the league determined what punishment it was going to apply to Vick. The league suspended Vick indefintely last week, so that freed up the Falcons to act. They are pursuing $22 million in signing bonuses which is pretty much their only course of action. However, Vick must stay on the roster to be eligible for the bonuses and, thus, for the team to recoup them, so on the roster he stays until this is resolved.

[wndycty]

21. And what does it matter when they cut him, its not like he can play because. . .

. . .he is suspended.

[LanternWaste]

10. I was reading an analysis about this Sunday evening...

I was reading an analysis about this Sunday evening and the consensus of the piece was something to the that letting Vick go would cost the more than holding him until the end of the season. A Bitter Pill the Falcons may have to swallow. Hard for me to imagine that any team would let Vick play. Maybe at the end of the day, he'll play again-- but I doubt it.

(Caveat: Ever since free-agency and salary caps killed the game of football as I used to enjoy it, I don't pretend to know much about player contracts anymore)

[wndycty]

11. For the lynch mob you sure cheer the Falcons decision not to cut him!

By not cutting him it allows the Falcons to try and recoup his $22 million signing bonus, in essence it could be $22 million fine. That's a steep amount. Cutting him WOULD HAVE WORKED TO HIS ADVANTAGE.

But the lynch mob is so amped up, they don't have time to understand the facts.

[opihimoimoi]

14. I say "fuck the 22 mill".. The over view......its worth it to lose the 22 mil and move on to cleaner

waters....

[wndycty]

17. Are you paying attention? Cutting him actually works to Vick's benefit. . .

. . .is your thirst for blood getting in the way of your understanding the way that the system works?

[opihimoimoi]

23. Money wise you are correct...but I still say Cut the Bum to save the Falcon Name

and the NFL as well.

This Vicks guy is Poison to the NFL and the Falcons...

[FredScuttle]

25. For the last time

HE IS SUSPENDED
HE IS NOT GETTING PAID
HE IS NOT ON THE FALCONS ACTIVE ROSTER

[wndycty]

28. And to follow-up Fred, CUTTING HIM WORKS TO VICK'S ADVANTAGE!

:kick:

[opihimoimoi]

29. But he is STILL CONNECTED....

[wndycty]

31. . . .and what benefit does he receive for that? NOTHING!

:kick:

[opihimoimoi]

34. Benefit for HIM? In the Long term..cutting him benefits the Falcons..NFL

[wndycty]

36. And if you paid attention to what is being said and not knee jerk reacting. . .

. . .would realize that it is speculated he will be cut next year, AFTER they have recouped the $22 million.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

33. Who gives a shit?

This just supports my idea that all this bullshit is really about Vick being a rich football player who got in trouble, and really has little or nothing to do with the dogs.

[wndycty]

35. You are onto something. . .

. . .he deserves to be punished, but at the end of the day the lynch mob will make sure that the punishment does not fit the crime.

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[opihimoimoi]

26. My therapist had cleared me long ago from being a mono level person

Am I Insane you ask?

Just because you cannot see my position?

[onenote]

37. let me see if I have this right: your position is that you want vick to get $22 million

Right?

[opihimoimoi]

54. No, I don't want him to get it but it might cost more than whateversleft...

[onenote]

60. I'm sorry, but I don't understand what you're saying

What might cost more than whateversleft? Trying to recover the $22 million?

[opihimoimoi]

61. might have to spend 5 million to get 4(?) mil thats left of the 22 original.

we don't have a clue as to whats left...

the story is not about Vick anymore..its about the Falcons/NFL and the reaction

[FredScuttle]

62. No....the Falcons would get the entire $22 million in bonuses

or, I should say, Vick would be on the hook to repay the Falcons $22 million.

[MadBadger]

20. Well, I'm glad you arent in charge of my business.

[jmowreader]

40. It's NEVER worth it to lose $22 million!

Especially to scumbags the likes of Michael Vick.

Two possible outcomes of this:

The Falcons cut him today. According to the Collective Bargaining Agreement, if he's cut he gets to keep any signing bonuses. Vick sticks that money in the bank, uses it to pay his dogfighting fines, then when they let him out of jail he's set for life.

Or the Falcons don't cut him. They force him to produce a check for $22 million (made out to the Humane Society of the United States) at a press conference. The NFL bans him from football for life. He has to sell his house to pay his dogfighting fines. When they let him out of jail, he won't be able to get a decent job anywhere and he'll end up living in a van down by the river, palletizing orders at a Wal-Mart distribution center somewhere and hearing all this shit about what could have been.

I know which one I'd prefer.

[TheWraith]

24. They have to keep him if they want their $22 MILLION DOLLARS back.

Keeping him on the team is the only way to force him to return the money.

[Old Vet]

27. Some of you should cool out!

Everyday DANGEROUS people are released from prison into our streets, Who have done much worse. Yes, What he did was ugly and illegal but cut his dumb ass a break. I refuse to go along with the gang mentality, hes already and will lose more then any of us would have.

[wndycty]

30. Exactly, and the lynch mob is so irrational that they don't realize keeping him. . .

. . .is actually more of punishment because it allows the Falcons to go after the $22 million bonus. I'm not sure if anyone has ever been fined that much for dog fighting.

[Az]

39. So why are they not saying that is what they are doing

Why are they not spelling it out that they are seeking to distance themselves from him and trying to deny him money? If that is their intent it would certainly seem to be in their interest to announce it.

[wndycty]

42. Legally the team CANNOT acknowledge that is their intent. . .

Chris Mortensen, who is an ESPN analyst said that everyone knows they are going to cut him but they cannot legally acknowledged that is there intent.

[Az]

43. Sigh

That certainly is a strange law then. Maybe such laws need to be reconsidered.

[wndycty]

44. Its not a law its rule as per the NFL contract. . .

. . .if they team acknowledged that they were going to cut him but waited until they could collect the money then they could get in serious trouble. I know you want blood, but rules are made for a reason. Lynch mobs don't understand due process.

[Az]

48. I am not particularly interested in blood

This is a minor background noise issue to me. My issue is more to do with corporations than anything Vick may have done.

[wndycty]

49. Yes or no question. . .

. . .do corporations have the right to protect their bottom line, utilizing rules that have been agreed upon between management and labor?

[Az]

52. Absolutely

They have the right to protect their bottom line. But they do not have to execute that right.

Not the issue I am raising.

[Sanctified]

32. There is a lot more to this than just keep him or cut him based on emotions.

They have to deal with contracts, lawyers, legality and the big one the Union.

[RL3AO]

45. The players union wants no piece of Vick.

[wndycty]

47. Yes, but unions want due process. . .

. . .while they wouldn't want to defend, they would want to defend against any action that violates their agreement with the NFL, regardless of what the player did or didn't do.

[Sanctified]

53. They may not want anything to do with Vick

But they still have to represent him and his interests.

[Neshanic]

46. You heard it here first. I will give DU 100 bucks if wrong.

Vick will play for the NFL again. Maybe not for the Falcons, but someone.

It's being spun by the best. Oh, and look for a very light sentence, if one at all.

He's found Jesus.

[fishwax]

50. it would be unwise to either cut him or to say they will cut him

for reasons involving Vick's bonus money (which they would not be able to attempt to recover if they cut him or announced plans to cut him later) and the salary cap.

[screembloodymurder]

51. America seems to have no problem watching two men fight,

or NASCAR drivers risking death, or even gladiators like Vick facing broken necks, concussions and death. I don't condone what he did, but if Vick gets 5 years, high risk sports fans should be jailed for hypocrisy.

[RL3AO]

55. You will have a point as soon as boxing and football becomes illegal.

[fishwax]

57. prize fighting is hardly comparable to dog fighting

the dog's don't have a choice ...

[WindRavenX]

59. Surely you jest.

You think men who willingly rough-house each other for sport is the same as brutally raising dogs
(and executing when they don't or cannot perform any longer) to rip each other literally to shreds?

I hope you're not serious.

[WindRavenX]

58. but he found jeebus!!!

So duh, all's forgiven....

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