I'm OK with the Congessional dems.

[cali]

And maybe more than that. Do they do everything I want? Hell no. I wish they'd impeach even if there is no chance of a conviction in the Senate. I'm not happy about the FISA law, though I try and keep in mind that it expires in 5 months. Do I think they've been effective at managing their message? Not especially.

But it's bullshit to say that they haven't tried and that all they do is enable bushco.

People here seem to forget what it was like with the repukes in charge of the Congress, and forget as well, that politics really is the art of the possible.

Look, Gonzo's gone- because of the dems. KKKKarl is gone- because of the dems. There are investigations because of the dems. They are trying to end the war, and Pelosi is struggling to keep a diverse caucus with a narrow majority, together. And she's pretty effective at it, too.

So no, they're far from perfect, but I don't expect perfect, and I'm not inclined to "kick the bums out" or make too many screech demands, or pout when the dems don't do precisely what I want them to.

I'm glad the dems are in charge, and I want to see a dem president and increased dem majorities in Congress.

[ashling]

1. I'm just sorry

that you posted this before me. Thanks.

[cali]

3. You betcha.

And post your own thoughts. The more the merrier.

[SeattleGirl]

2. Thank you, cali

I feel much the same way that you do. It's not as if the dems have a huge majority, especially in the Senate. But they ARE getting hearings, they ARE getting testimony, they ARE doing things that need to be done. Not everything, but certainly more than the pukes did when they were in charge.

[cali]

5. Thanks SeattleGirl.

Glad to know that others feel the same way.

[globalvillage]

4. I agree.

We just need more of 'em.

[robinlynne]

6. It expires in 6 months, but it REALLY expires in 18 months, right around elec-

tion time. You see Bush stuck in a clause that ANYONE they spy on during these 6 months, gets one more year of spying without a warrant.

[cali]

7. Yeah, I'm not pleased with that at all, and I stated that

but that's hardly my point.

[Beelzebud]

25. They'll never give this power up. It's here to stay. Thats why the Dems FAILED bigtime on this one

[HughMoran]

8. Thanks for the level-headed viewpoint

I always try to imagine myself in their shoes. The way some people talk, you'd think that any one person can pass a law if they are in the majority party. Now imagine trying to herd cats (Democrats) - Pelosi is doing a good job IMHO.

[kster]

9. Conyers = wisdom,, If you impeach, TV will have a field day

thats right impeachment talk 24/7 impeachment would have given news networks something to cover up the Bushco crime families thugs, the news networks are naked they have no COVER STORY. The crime family will go down one after the other, the one thing that would save them is an impeachment COVER STORY.

Just my opinion not looking for an argument.

[cali]

10. You could be right but

I don't see how impeachment gives cover to the thugs.

[kster]

15. If impeachment starts tomorrow, what happens to

the Internet news and Internet blogs, We both know they would light up with impeachment stories.

The way it is now they are lighting up with Republic Diaper boy, Republican Bathroom boy, KKKarl, Bowen and Dan Rather, if impeachment started tomorrow the Internet would "unknowingly" join forces with the Corporate media, in burying the corruption of the * admin.

Just my opinion.

[John Q. Citizen]

19. If you believe that Craig being lewd in a bathroom is the biggest theat to the

republic, then I can see where you are coming from.

The Dems should get on this and pass Senate rules that any Senator caught being lewd in a bathroom from now on is automatically expelled, ditto for seeing a prostitute.

I don't see that behavior as particularly dangerous to the republic, however, so I don't understand your position. And I wouldn't advise a major push by the Dems to pass those rules in the Senate.

[kster]

20. You missed my point

Republicans resign, Gonzales resigned, Karl Rove resigned, would you be seeing these stories if we where pursuing impeachment?

Would these stories have even come to light?

Thats my only point.

Peace out.

[John Q. Citizen]

24. I recall that during the Nixon impeachment, very simular stories were in the

news daily.

In fact, Nixon's atty. General resigned, and it was in the papers, front page, as were all number of other resignations.

The fact that impeachment was on the table actually hastened many resignations, all that made front page news.

[Robbien]

11. Blue Dogs, New Dogs

oh hell just call them what they are, Bush Dogs

Hide thread

[Art_from_Ark]

18. In the Raygun days, they were called "boll weevils"

A fitting name, I think, since they destroy from the inside

[John Q. Citizen]

12. I can't be as forgiving as you. If it were about issues of less importance then that would be easy.

But there was no excuse for scheduling a vote that the Dems knew would result in the gutting of the constitution. Why do you imagine that after 6 or 16 months the Dems will decide to restore that one portion of what has become a swiss cheese constitution?

It will only be much more difficult. Much more, because rights surrenered are always much harder to regain.

If the problem were just Karl, Alberto, bush or certain individuals, then you might have a point. The problem is the willingness of the Dems and the Repos to take away our rights, or to sit by and allow our rights to be taken without saying "Absolutely not! Over my dead body!"

And so, in 16 months, I hope you revisit your post here today and take honest stock of what the situation is. Like an abusive spouse, we always want to believe that things will get better, that our spouse was under stress, that perhaps it really isn't the abusive spouses fault at all.

However, mark my words. What you see is what you get. And it's extremely likely that it's what you will continue to get.

We will still be very much in Iraq. We will have lost even more rights. And things will be worse than they are now.

I have a magnetic ribbon on the back of my vehicle. It says, "Just pretend it's all OK." I'm thinking you saw it and decided to follow that advice.

[cali]

14. Sorry, we just don't agree.

I'm hardly pretending it's all OK. I don't know how it all sugar off. I do know that neither of my Senators are sitting back and willingly giving away our rights. Nor is my rep. In fact, all three are fighting for them. All opposed the FISA. And they're not alone.


This crap that dems are in collusion with repukes to gut the Constitution is just so...... simple minded.

[John Q. Citizen]

17. The fact that the vote that the Dems knew would result in warrentless wiretapping

didn't have to be taken is indisputable, regardless of how any individual member voted.

hey, My notoriously aisle crossing DINO Senator didn't even cross the isle this time and voted against it.

But so what?

Pelosi didn't have to bring it to the floor for a vote. She chose to bring it to the floor for a vote. The 40 something Dem Senators who voted against it could have filibustered it, but they didn't.

The best indicator of future behavior is past behavior. my DINO Senator just happens to be up for election in 2008. but that's a little besides the point here.

The point is, if the Dems hadn't of wanted it to pass, it wouldn't have passed. If all the Dems opposed had said to Nancy, if you put it up for a vote, I am voting against you for Speaker, then I bet it wouldn't have come to a vote.

If you are willing to let it go, it just makes it that easier for the Dem lawmakers to let it go also.

Let's bookmark this thread and revisit it in 6 months and see if your faith is well placed, OK?

[mudesi]

13. Such excuses don't fly

They didn't have to send Bush a funding bill. The FISA "law" is illegal.

But most of all, I think you've been fooled (as have many others) in that you believe the Democrats are in charge. The Democrats did not win a majority, because a good number of them have no business putting a "D" beside their name.

Nothing will change until the American people start electing liberal Democrats (such as Kucinich, for example) in the primaries. Until the conservatives get out of the Democratic party, there will never be a true opposition party to the Republicans.

[porphyrian]

16. There comes a time when almost isn't good enough. We're there.

I appreciate the good things they have accomplished, but that's their fucking job - I expect no less. We NEED real action NOW. I appreciate the fact that this is inconvenient and difficult for them, and I empathize. But, like the soldiers they have sent to kill and die for a profitable lie, sometimes their job demands excellence and sacrifice with no room for error. And there it is.

[puebloknot]

21. Agreed. I have said many times that Nancy Pelosi's "laundry list"...

... of things to accomplish in the first 100 hours is what any citizen of any civilized country has a right to expect without even having to think about it too much. In some ways, that list has been a distraction to keep attention off of the truly serious things that the Dems have not tackled, and to also distract from their "unity" with Bushco -- for the good of the country, of course. We the People are too tender to have to face conflict in the halls of our government. Best to keep us pacified with the little things.

[porphyrian]

23. I'm glad it's not just me... - n/t

[Beerboy]

22. Every now and again,

a little perspective is helpful.
Thanks, cali.