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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:58 PM
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Could Cheney/Bush pull a false flag, attack Iran &/or declare martial law?
Edited on Mon Aug-27-07 11:58 PM by G_j
or am I a complete idiot & wacko nut job for even asking?
:eyes:
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-27-07 11:59 PM
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1. Yes they could.
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:03 AM
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2. What Em said. Frankly, I think people should be thinking "when" rather than "could".
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:16 AM
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10. Good point.
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NoodleBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 08:15 PM
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27. Threefer madness!
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 02:51 AM
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17. And decent CIA/NSA operatives should have him under constant surveillance to prevent it! n/t
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:05 AM
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3. Yes they can,
and no, you are not.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:06 AM
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4. no to both questions
it is pretty sad that this question of martial law would ever come up in our republic.
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:13 AM
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8. Even sadder that you are one signed piece of paper away from it becoming reality. n/t
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 07:33 PM
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21. Check this five minute video out......"What we chose to ignore"
After watching it, ask yourself, "Why would the government go to all this trouble?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl1VIhdpl4c
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:16 PM
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32. people would not stand for it.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:07 AM
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5. You mean, again?
They can spy on us, pick any of us up for no reason and with no due process. They've already killed a bunch of us and only God knows how many of us are being held and "interrogated" tonight.

They militarized NOLA in the aftermath of Katrina. They couldn't get WATER in there but there were troops in the street.

They barely need a false flag op. They just need a storm.

:shrug:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:11 AM
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7. thanks
I just happen to entertain those same "loony" conclusions!

:hi:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 07:20 PM
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19. It would nice if it were just us that were loony and not our government. nt
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 02:37 AM
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15. "They barely need a false flag op. They just need a storm."
One of the most profound insights I've read on DU.

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guruoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:33 PM
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37. They're building the political
Edited on Tue Aug-28-07 10:39 PM by guruoo
'enemies' database as we speak.
I believe one of the the first steps might be for them to use this database to stealthly inflict
economic hardship upon individuals that have opposed the administration.

Can you imagine a few thousand progressive actvists suddenly finding
themselves inexplicably dismissed from their jobs, their mortages recalled,
and/or unable to access to their bank accounts or use their credit cards?

If they were careful, they could carry this out in such a way that weeks, or even months pass before
anyone finally put the two and two together.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:08 AM
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6. They are that evil.
I'm not going to bring up things that the mods would prefer be discussed in the 9/11 forum, but I'll just say that regardless of the evidence of whether they did do it, they are capable of doing it. They are that sociopathic, they have no concern about the lives they damage and destroy, and would happily kill thousands if it helps them acquire and consolidate power, and they think they can get away with it.

They're that evil.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:14 AM
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9. yes they do and probably will get away with it
as long as even such a discussion is shunned and ridiculed.
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Blashyrkh Donating Member (816 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:27 AM
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11. "...will get away with it as long as even such a discussion is shunned and ridiculed"
Quoted for Truth.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:20 PM
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34. Word, and welcome!
:hi:
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:40 AM
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12. The "Elite" rich want you to worry about this. They want you to vote in HRC and let the
Edited on Tue Aug-28-07 12:41 AM by Vincardog
perception of a democratic republic live on. FASCISM is in place and we enable it by playing along with the false choice offered in the REPOCRATIC party farce.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 12:48 AM
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13. --
Edited on Tue Aug-28-07 12:50 AM by G_j
I didn't hear that


shhhh....:boring:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 02:15 PM
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18. Eliding the comment on HRC, the word "fascism" has been
used to an astonishing degree lately in the indy media. Frankly, it would be my preference for this observation to be a DU phenomena. It's not.:shrug:
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 08:58 PM
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30. You are exactly right on!
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Phrogman Donating Member (940 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 02:32 AM
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14. From outside the US propaganda bubble, yes that is exactly what they are getting ready to do.
just look at what's been changed by Chimpo lately.

Look at what they're doing, it's obvious.

PM
Negros Is.
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bananarepublican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 02:47 AM
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16. The Iranian Revolutionary Guard will likely be the designated patsy! n/t
Edited on Tue Aug-28-07 02:49 AM by bananarepublican
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 07:22 PM
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20. I'll be surprised if they don't.
If "something" happens, I will assume, unless/until it is proven otherwise, that it's a Reichstag Fire situation.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 07:36 PM
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22. Check this 5 min. video out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl1VIhdpl4c "What We Chose to Ignore"

I posted this above too but thought you might not see it......I think it's worth five minutes. imho
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emlev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 07:37 PM
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23. Yes, and the best way to protect against it...
is to get the word out to the nation that this is possible, so that any attempt will backfire on them.

Wonder if anyone's working on that?
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 07:49 PM
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24. that's what people in congress have said some weeks ago n/t
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 07:57 PM
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25. Another trifecta. Oh happy day.
And in answer to your question: Is the pope German?

wp
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 08:09 PM
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26. if you're an idiot for thinking it,
you're in good company in that idiocy. no doubt that it worked like a charm on 911
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 08:31 PM
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28. Yes, Yes and No.
They already pulled a false flag so they can do it again. They can and probably will attack Iran with or without an "attack". Martial Law though, they cannot enforce. It's just not logistically possible.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:09 PM
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31. I have to disagree with you on this, "Martial Law though,
they cannot enforce. It's just not logistically possible."

It would depend, imo, on what weapons are in their arsenal. No tinfoil required. :)

RNC to Feature Unusual Forms of Sound
Unusual Forms of Sound to Emanate From RNC

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=99472

"These are totally different from the way an ordinary speaker emits sound," said Elwood (Woody) Norris, founder and head of American Technology Corp. of San Diego. "It's like it's inside your head."

Norris, an intrepid entrepreneur who has no college degree but more than 43 patents to his name, invented both the crowd control tool, called the Long Range Acoustical Device (LRAD), and the display audio technology, called HyperSonic Sound (HSS).

Both technologies feature unprecedented manipulation of sound, but for very different purposes. And while both technologies have unique, "gee-whiz" factors, some remain uneasy with the idea of using sound to control crowds.

"It produces sound in a way that for most people will be a novel experience, so I think it has potential to create confusion and panic," said Richard Glen Boire, founder of the Center for Cognitive Liberty and Ethics in Davis, Calif. "It can't be identified, it's an invisible force."


WSWS : News & Analysis : North America
In run-up to Republican convention: 24-hour surveillance of protest organizers
By Jamie Chapman
25 August 2004

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/aug2004/prot-a25.shtml



http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/03/03/sonic.weapon.ap/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2004/TECH/ptech/03/03/sonic.weapon.ap/

http://flickr.com/photos/xeni/45340033/

http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/115069/index.php
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 08:44 PM
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29. Hell Yes ...
you can bank on it; unless saner minds stop them.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 09:18 PM
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33. "complete idiot & wacko nut job" Only if having clarity and .
seeing reality is considered wacko/idiotic. :shrug: :)
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:14 PM
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35. In a heartbeat. Doesn't it make all of you nervous when Dickhead hasn't been heard from for a week
or so? It does me! That just means he's behind the scenes plotting EVIL DEEDS.:scared:
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:19 PM
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36. You're neither an idiot nor a nut job. It's part of the PNAC plan
The cabal may very well have been using the August vacation to put the finishing touches on their plan.
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 10:41 PM
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38. Yes, they could.
I believe they are likely to do so. Move Skeletor into the AG position, put a long-time bush crony into Dept. of Homeland Defense, add the recent Presidential directives, label the Iranian Revolutionary Guard a terrorist organization, throw in Blackwater armies and Hallibuton prisons and Wha-la! It's Fascism Time.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 11:13 PM
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39. Clinton mentioned something
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-28-07 11:17 PM
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40. yes
and they could seize the assets of anyone who speaks out in opposition

and they could declare that dissent is terrorism and begin systematically "disappearing" anyone who opposes them

they don't even have to mail anthrax to democrats in congress now that they have their PATRIOT act and other "national security" powers congress has been heaping on them for six years now.
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