And so...they just walk the hell away? Just like that?

[The Straight Story]

Rove, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Ridge, et al - they just leave and walk away?

No jail time, no nothing?

Fuck the whole country over for years, drag us into wars which will affect people and this country for a very long time, and they just take the money and run?

And what will happen when we have a firm control of both houses and the white house - we will say 'time to move on now, that's all in the past' and let em saunter off in the sunset with a scotch on the rocks and some nice beach front property?

And let us not forget all the shady defense deals and contractors that swept up in all this as well.

Note to self: If ya want to steal, kill, and plunder get elected and do it, don't rob a bank because that gets you jail time. It's only a crime of you don't have a dime, if your rich it's called business and politics.

The damage is done, and still going on - the robbery and death is still going on. And some just say 'see ya' and walk away, and others we are still giving a paycheck to.

Yeah - it IS frustrating.

[Jim Warren]

1. Left a few out

on that who will just walk away thing.........Bush, Cheney,.......

[The Straight Story]

3. Yeah, but they got that Craig guy for taking a crap and playing footsies

:rofl:

[obxhead]

2. The truly sad part is our choices for '08. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. Power corrupts... you know the rest

and for these economic loyalists the law does not apply

[The Straight Story]

5. Yeah, and that is what worries me...power corrupting

Kind of limiting in our choices, like playing the lottery and hoping we get a winner, then when we scratch the ticket we realize we wasted another dollar/vote :)

I got faith, I got hope, but if these seeds don't get some water and sunshine it will die.

[lonestarnot]

19. Shshshshsh.

Don't tell anyone you have those!

[sandnsea]

6. It's what happened in '93

Iran/Contra, BCCI, same bunch of criminals then as now. Clinton decided it was better to put it all behind us. I don't know that any of our current candidates would make a different decision in 2009.

[DemBones DemBones]

10. I think President Dennis Kucinich would do something about it,

not let it slide as Bill Clinton let the same gang slide when he took office.

He's trying to get Cheney impeached, after all, which is a lot more than any other candidate has dared do.

[bdamomma]

31. oh Dennis does not take any shit, and he does not play.

[Fredda Weinberg]

7. We got fish to fry

And frankly, they stink. Let 'em go ... they ain't worth the energy of punishing.

I saw what retribution does - how do you argue with someone who survived Hitler? But we can take a more constructive attitude now that the opportunity for serious governance arises.

Please don't fret squandering resources on these small men. Let Congressman Conyers handle this; it's too unimportant now for the Democratic Senate.

Peace.

[skids]

17. Sociopaths and actuarial deterrent...

...if we don't punish as many of these types of criminals as we can, the actuarial calculation for the next batch of sociopathic fascists is very simple: "the last bunch got away with it scott free, and the bunch before that, and the bunch before that..."

[Fredda Weinberg]

35. How Hobbsian

I've seen men's souls change. My father's lesson: anyone can be driven to despair.

Let's not relive the horrors of the past when we have the means to improve ourselves. It takes nobility to see beyond personal sacrifice and that's the spirit we should embody here @ DU.

[Beerboy]

8. Where are the indictments?

The majority party of Congress can't just arrest and imprison the minority without due process of law. This is basic stuff.
Sickening as reality is, yeah, they just get to take the money and run. There aren't any indictments for federal crimes that I'm aware of.
And yeah, your last point is valid; if you're not part of the ruling class, don't try to do what they do!

[radfringe]

16. Where are the indictments? in storage

right next to all that dry powder....

[entanglement]

9. Many PNAC ideologues / rats left the ship a loong time ago (exhibit A: Wolfie)

[DemBones DemBones]

11. Richard Perle was the first neo-con to go, IIRC.

But I'm not sure that any of them are out of contact with the administration.

And most people have never heard of PNAC's Michael Ledeen but he made a speech about invading IRAN before we invaded Iraq.

[entanglement]

12. Perle, of course. And many of the ideologues weren't ever a part of the admin

Fukuyama, Kristol, Ledeen, AEI and CFR , the National Review people (Krauthammer for example) - the core beliefs of these guys are still intact - They're only disgusted that their schemes have been BOTCHED so badly by the current incompetents.

[shadowknows69]

13. Frustrating left the train station a while ago

and the subway just went screaming past the infuriating and disgusting stops on our way to maddening.

[Orsino]

14. 'Cause impeaching is hard work.

But they don't just walk away; they walk away rich, and so respected by the corporate media that you'll be seeing them again.

[Disturbed]

15. Who will be next to jump off of the Busholini Titanic?

White House adviser Dan Bartlett

former Press Secretary Scott McClellan

former Federal Emergency Management Agency director Joe Allbaugh

White House lawyer Harriet Miers

[Orsino]

21. I don't think they're rats leaving a sinking ship.

I think they're ballast frantically dropped from a plummeting balloon.

[youthere]

18. I blame walldude.

[formercia]

20. A bottle of Glenfiddich and a fat Cuban cigar.

The boys get another pass.

[porphyrian]

22. This shit ain't over just because they're stepping away from the controls.

Unless they leave the planet, there are trials in their future.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. ONLY if KKKRove doesn't steal the '08 election. If repukes remain in power, NOTHING will happen to

those criminals. Our only hope is a Democratic Majority, a HUGE one, in Congress and taking the WH back.

[porphyrian]

34. I think you might be giving rove too much credit, but I get your drift.

But, I also believe that stealing another election would likely be the last straw for the wrong people. If they truly do have strategists worth a shit, they'll try to steal it "legitimately" through a puppet Democrat. That was probably lieberman at one time, but now I suspect Senator Clinton, who they chose as our nominee years ago.

[SoCalDem]

23. Other than Watergate, it's what always happens.. No punishment

and that 's why is just keeps on happening..

Try it in "real life" and see how amused the judge is..

"Your honor, that embezzlement thing is a thing of the past..a youthful indisgression..let's just put it behind us..I've resigned..moved on..So let's all just get past this and get past it..okay? "

[The Backlash Cometh]

24. We need to boot out of congress every politician who believes that

elections are equivalent to court judgements. That's why they take things to the line.

If you could rob banks until you're caught, and the worst thing they'll do to you is write nasty things in the paper about you, wouldn't you send a message to everyone else that robbing banks is worth the risk?

[sutz12]

25. I don't think there is a lot of beach front property in Paraquay.

OTOH, it is probably above the maximum sea level from when Greenland and Antarctica melt down.

:shrug:

[catmandu57]

27. Patience

If we tried, convicted, and sentenced these criminals right now the chimpenfuhrer* would pardon and erase their convictions. On the other hand, if we wait until we have the ringleaders in a box then we can get them all without watching them slide out of the trap.
If these son of bitches aren't all in prison by 2010 anyway then I'll be in the front ranks tearing down the corrupted system.

[KansDem]

28. "Murder one person and you're on a gurney; murder a million and you're on a mission"

Thought of this bumper sticker idea while driving into work last week. I do a lot of my thinking while driving into work...

[bdamomma]

29. nothing like getting away with murder huh?

they should all be held on war crimes,crimes and treason. just walking away just like Libby.

[mmonk]

30. Yes they do.

[Javaman]

32. Welcome to New America where accountability means nothing!

weeeee! democracy was fun while it lasted. to bad we all let it be pissed away.

[progressoid]

33. No - not just like that.

They'll get medals of Freedom as parting gifts.

[cobalt1999]

36. Whoever said the world was fair?

Although some religions promise the eventual punishment for your deeds, in reality, justice is not part of our world.

Once you get your mind around that, the frustration level drops.

[brentspeak]

37. Last I read, the investigations are still continuing. Nothing's been concluded.

I'm not sure where you're getting the information that there's "no nothing".

[lonestarnot]

38. It seems that way.

[alfredo]

39. Start building a case for war crimes tribunals. If we don't the Hague

will do it. It's better we did it, not some world body.

[walldude]

40. Yup.. brilliant aren't they...

Bail out when the heat is on, leaving the Democrats to decide whether to continue pursuing them or to "deal with the business of the nation". And since every time we ask our Dem leaders to pursue something, they claim the business of the nation is more important, effectively insuring that nothing will happen to Gonzo or Rove. If the Dems even try pursuit then Gonzo and Rove have the Dems own words to call them out with "why are you pursuing me, shouldn't you be dealing with the business of the nation?

[hfojvt]

41. He took advantage (blues for Ronald Reagan) by Glenn Frey

"It's a lowdown dirty shame he doesn't have to pay
for being so deceitful and treating us this way
He used us and betrayed us and made it seem alright
He turned his back on everyone
I don't know how he sleeps at night

And now he's walking away
He doesn't care what we say
We weren't too hard to deceive
We wanted so to believe
He was too good to be true
He took advantage of you."