Study: US PREPARING 'MASSIVE' MILITARY ATTACK AGAINST IRAN (Larisa Alexandrovna)

[kpete]

Study: US preparing 'massive' military attack against Iran Larisa Alexandrovna and Muriel Kane
Published: Tuesday August 28, 2007

The United States has the capacity for and may be prepared to launch without warning a massive assault on Iranian uranium enrichment facilities, as well as government buildings and infrastructure, using long-range bombers and missiles, according to an analysis paper.

The paper, "Considering a war with Iran: A discussion paper on WMD in the Middle East" – written by well-respected British scholar and arms expert Dr. Dan Plesch, Director of the Centre for International Studies and Diplomacy of the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) at the University of London, and Martin Butcher, a former Director of the British American Security Information Council (BASIC) and former adviser to the Foreign Affairs Committee of the European Parliament – was exclusively provided to RAW STORY late Friday under embargo.

"We wrote the report partly as we were surprised that this sort of quite elementary analysis had not been produced by the many well resourced Institutes in the United States," wrote Plesch in an email to Raw Story on Tuesday.

Plesch and Butcher examine "what the military option might involve if it were picked up off the table and put into action" and conclude that based on open source analysis and their own assessments, the US has prepared its military for a "massive" attack against Iran, requiring little contingency planning and without a ground invasion.

The study concludes that the US has made military preparations to destroy Iran’s WMD, nuclear energy, regime, armed forces, state apparatus and economic infrastructure within days if not hours of President George W. Bush giving the order. The US is not publicising the scale of these preparations to deter Iran, tending to make confrontation more likely. The US retains the option of avoiding war, but using its forces as part of an overall strategy of shaping Iran’s actions.

more at:
http://rawstory.com//news/2007/Study_US_preparing_massive_military_attack_0828.html

[EFerrari]

1. How do we push back. Short of occupying D,C,?

These bastards are going to do it.

[seafan]

6. At this juncture, that's the last weapon We The People have.

It's really come down to that.

Congress is not up to the job. High-rankers in the military are corrupt sycophants. The media are thumbing their noses at us with their propaganda. The occupiers of the White House are an international criminal enterprise.

With the window of opportunity slamming shut for stopping this monstrous evil, it's the only thing we have left.

Occupying DC.


Do we have the courage that our brothers and sisters in Latin America have?

[EFerrari]

9. We don't have the habit, I'm afraid.

[shadowknows69]

15. That's been the answer all along beth

an occupation. Nothing short of bringing that upon their heads will get any notice. We have to make them shoot at us. Only then will the rest of the sleepers awaken. Someone buy me a bus ticket and help me eat and have water and I'll go. I have nothing better to do this week than try to save my country. Neither do any of you.

[EFerrari]

16. I wonder how much time we have. It's hard to believe that Cheney

doesn't know this country is in no mood for his bullshit.

[shadowknows69]

23. We march and we leave

what is that showing him?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

72. But, my car needs a tuneup, and my Fluffers needs his nails clipped

I don't have the time.

[Selatius]

29. I'm afraid occupying D.C. could provoke a brutal reaction from Bush like this:

In the chaos of a massive air campaign against Iran, up will become down.

[shadowknows69]

56. Yeah, that would be the point of an occupation

to bring this whole criminal cartel out into the light. Make them murder our own countrymen on live tv because you know someone will get it out there. Press gets freer in chaos sometimes. Then every man and woman in this country would have to ask themselves, finally, are we going to be 1930's Germany or are we going to fight to remain the land of the free. No more easy ride. Time to stand or hide.

[bdamomma]

87. for our own survival and this country it may come to this.

[Selatius]

112. Yeah, but that's pretty sad commentary that protesters must die before the rubber band snaps

I mean, think how far the people allowed it to get, to the day when government entities start shooting unarmed protesters. It could cause the situation to escalate out of control with clashes between police and protesters all around D.C.

[EFerrari]

61. You are probably right. n/t

[EnricoFermi]

70. Actually, DC soldiers are already deployed

http://www.wesh.com/news/13949580/detail.html

Local Troops Deploy To Nation's Capital POSTED: 12:20 pm EDT August 22, 2007

DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. -- Members of the 1st Battalion 265 Air Defense Artillery have mobilized and are on a plane headed first to Ft. Bliss, then for federal active duty in the capital region. The troops will be deployed for a year.

"It's going to be all right It's OK if he helps people and everything, and it's his job. He’s got to do it. He just got to do it," Jessica Ward said, whose father is being deployed. Jessica speaks for many when she talks about her father's deployment. Michael Ward and company are leaving for a year, and that weighs heavy on families.

The 265th is part of Operation Noble Eagle. They are ordered by the president to the nation's capital, where they will operate high-tech weapons systems against any potential air threat. Yolanda McCormack is relieved husband Charles isn't headed to Iraq, but there is always a risk. "Doesn't mean he won't be in the line of fire in Washington, D.C., but it does give me a little comfort," Yolanda McCormack said, whose husband is being deployed.

Families may get one or two opportunities to see loved ones during this year-long deployment, but it’s not encouraged. Though the solders are staying in the states, they are on serious business. Staff Sgt. James Todd said duty at home is just as important as the mission overseas.

[Megahurtz]

39. Kick. n/t

[AZBlue]

57. I've been wondering the same thing.

Problem with occupying DC is that we are such a big country. I'm in Arizona for example. I'll go, but how am I going to pay for it? (ironically, I could have afforded the trip and a long DC stay easily before the Bush regime, but that's another thread...)

[EFerrari]

60. I've often thought that one way we're manipulated is through

the size of the country.

I don't know the answer to your question. My guess is that if that action becomes necessary, there will be buses and other resources we can share. But, that's not to say that it won't cost us in one way or another.

[AZBlue]

62. Oh yeah - there will have to be sacrifice, no matter what.

But, if that's what it takes....

[tnlurker]

76. Since you are so far away

You help occupy your state capital city. This will have to be more than a one town operation. Millions to lock up DC and millions more to lock up every state capital. That would get their attention.

[Just-plain-Kathy]

94. That's a very good idea...

I wonder how we can get this going.

[Doc Martin]

66. What if the Germans had...

Looking back, what might have the German people done?

Seriously, I am wondering what we might do today or tomorrow to preempt an attack on Iran.

[EFerrari]

111. I used to have this fantasy that we all went to demonstrate at

our LOCAL federal buildings. The corporate media can underreport one demonstratios in DC. It would be pretty hard to avoid reporting HUNDREDS of demonstrations all over the country.

Welcome to DU and thanks for my favorite boots. :)

[simmonsj811]

68. pushing

we start in every street,cityand state by state and those that are close can converged on DC.
some times you just have to start small
an also by all means let's not forget the malls and shops :sarcasm:

[simmonsj811]

69. here is how we can really make a...

statement let hook up with the hands across the nationthat way we can all be a part of the washington crowd:think: :dem:

[EFerrari]

110. Welcome to DU, simmonsj811. I like that idea!

:hi:

[havocmom]

2. Fundies in the top level of the Air Force = nuthin but trouble

Those asshats can start WWIII from way up high and never face the real consequences. Time for the brass in the other branches of the military to reel the fundy force in and make sure they are harmless in a hurry.

WMD? Haven't we heard THAT before?

[TwilightGardener]

4. Yup--they're totally into their "left behind" end-times fantasies.

My husband is an Air Force officer, and he is surrounded by colleagues who wish each other a "blessed day", and circulate evangelical e-mails. He can't wait to retire.

[havocmom]

12. Can't recall name of female Chaplain at the Academy who had to investigate complaints about bias

She did her interviews, investigation and ended up resigning her commission so she could actually tell what she found re religious bias, evangelizing and basic fundy xian bigotry there.

Probably not an easy thing to do, resign a hard won commission. Must have been some nasty stuff going on to make a Christian Chaplain go to that extreme so she could speak about the issue truthfully. Now she's gone and I never heard much about anything being done to make the fundie brass stop their Holy War to rid the Air Force Academy of non-believers.

It is frightening in the extreme.

Best wishes to your husband. Must take a ton of patience not to go off on the Hatch-violating bots he serves with.

[TwilightGardener]

24. Thank you--the AF/fundie thing is as deep and pervasive as you say, and inescapable

in my husband's position. He's managed to politely tell his coworkers not to send him religious material, but when it's commanders who do this sort of shit, that's a different story. I'm hoping he can hold his tongue for a few more years!

[Raksha]

48. THERE IS A REASON the whackos are focusing on the Air Force.

Why do they concentrate their "evangelizing" on the AIR FORCE more than the other branches of the military? Ask yourself that question, and it's not hard to connect the dots. Terrifying, but not difficult.

[EVDebs]

52. Slim Pickens riding that A-Bomb onto the USSR only this is for-real

[Megahurtz]

35. OMG.

:puke:

[TwilightGardener]

41. Have a Blessed Day! And a bomb dropped from 30,000 feet!

[Megahurtz]

45. The Sad And

sick thing about this is that this Whacked Out Fundie belief is what's driving
most of them to do this! :crazy: Killing in the name of God??? :crazy:

They really think by starting their "Armageddon" they will just be "Raptured"
and float right on out of here!

Sometimes I wish they would so we could live in peace!

[Cha]

65. They can't exactly say

they worship at the altar of greed and illusion..so they steal the name of Christ and that seems to get them where they want to go without having to explain themselves.

The very worst form of Hypocrites. I hope the fucking Karma runs over their dogma.

[Raksha]

47. I can't believe the promotion of end-times fundie fanatics

in the Air Force is a coincidence...more likely the result of a deliberate long-range strategy. They have been deliberately "weighting" the Air Force with people who won't hesitate to push the button like a sane person would.

[EVDebs]

53. The origins of the Left Behind wingnut interpretation of scripture :

is steeped in authoritarianism,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1877885

[alfredo]

105. The Air Force has felt left behind in the Iraq war. They want in on the action.

[SoonerPride]

3. Anyone that doubts we will attack Iran hasn't been paying attention

Bush and Cheney will indeed attack Iran.

It is about to get much much worse.

[Double T]

5. bush and cheney are desperate to redirect attention away from..........

their corrupt and totally failed regime. NOTHING is out of the realm of heinous possibility with these two desperadoes.

[havocmom]

14. Beyond redirecting attention at this point

They need a cause to act on all those presidential orders the press hasn't really covered.

We are all Germans now.

[Double T]

22. Yavohl!. And it's an honor and a pleasure to be a MEMBER of the...........

UNDERGROUND.

[Blackhatjack]

7. We are facing a possible 'holdover' of the Bush Administration if this happens....

Many people pay little regard to the Executive Orders which Bush has signed allowing him to remain in power after his term ends in the event of 'catastropic' circumstances and martial law in the US.

Do NOT underestimate the intention of Cheney and the NeoCons to 'do Iran' before the end of Bush's term of office.

Republican officials (who are reviled in their own right) who may have acted as a counterweight to such action have left this Administration. Cheney is even more powerful today than at any time since the inception of this Administration.

NeoCons know that it is 'now or never' to attack Iran. This opportunity dies with a new Democratic Administration. They are playing up 'Bush's legacy' as their trump card --telling Bush he will go out of office viewed as a 'failed war president' because of Iraq UNLESS he expands the war and attacks Iran.

We are going to have to decide if we will allow them to do this 'in our name.' Are we going to turn our back on the rest of the civilized world and kill thousands of Iranians? I fear for our country and the those who might be in the line of fire on both sides.

[havocmom]

13. Hoping the doctors put Brand X batteries in cheney's pacemaker

This junta HAS to be dealt with pronto. They do not intend to EVER fall from power and face the consequences of their actions.

When the chimp is out getting face time, my big question is: where's Dick? And I damned well know the answer.

[Roland99]

8. Israel's air attack on Lebanon was the test run

It failed miserably but that won't stop the batshit insane neocons!!!


They *will* destroy America...economically.

[northernsoul]

95. and morally

we will have no more moral credibility than any other tinhorn dictatorship.

[redqueen]

10. If this is how they're going about things...

then I don't see any way of stopping the travesty short of soldiers choosing jail over another war of choice.

[cali]

11. I hope like hell

this is wrong, but last week I heard Nir Rosen on Democracy Now! and he said the same thing, and the reason he said bushcheney are going to do it, is that it doesn't believe that any future admin, repuke or dem, will have the guts to do it. That kind of "thinking" is right up its alley.

[iconoclastic cat]

18. Holy crap, cali -- are *you* starting to think it will happen?

Because, if I recall, you have dismissed that idea in the past.

[Tigermoose]

17. This is not surprising. It would fit in with the rest of U. S. history.

nt

[Gloria]

19. Hillary, how would this affect the GOP advantage???

This is the "terrorist" attack we should be worrying about....but would you favor it???

[JTFrog]

28. She's already busy preparing

for the new war. :eyes:

[CGowen]

20. Khalizad says the ME stuff could cause a world war

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3482893&mesg_id=3482893

[Gloria]

21. Dan Plesch has other interesting things to say....about Putin....

From current World Media Watch:

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2896161.ece
*
Gloria R. Lalumia's World Media Watch for August 27, 2007
Submitted by BuzzFlash on Mon, 08/27/2007 - 8:50am. Gloria R. Lalumia

WORLD MEDIA WATCH

Summaries are excerpted from the source articles; the featured article follows the summary section. A recommended "site of the day" will also appear occasionally following the summaries.

1//The Independent, UK
PUTIN'S COLD WAR FISHING TRIP: WHAT'S HE PLAYING AT?

'If there is a rifle hanging on the wall in the first act, in the third act, the rifle will be fired." KGB defector Oleg Gordievsky is musing on the words of the Russian dramatist Chekhov, as he considers Vladimir Putin's latest strategic moves, which he fears could lead inevitably to all-out military conflict. "When Putin came to power, it was clear what was going to happen," says Mr Gordievsky of his former KGB colleague. "I warned John Scarlett , I warned the Foreign Office, I warned journalists. Now they believe me," he thunders. Not content with hanging up a rifle on the wall, the Russian president has lined up a whole array of weaponry, including nuclear-capable strategic bombers while ratcheting up his rhetoric, prompting talk of a "new Cold War". "The old one never stopped," said Dan Plesch a senior British arms control analyst who shares the concern of the highest-ranking KGB officer to defect to the UK that we are sleepwalking to disaster. One false move, and "there is a very significant danger of global nuclear war", according to Mr Plesch. In a week in which the world has been distracted by the bare muscular torso of the 54-year-old Russian leader on his Siberian holiday - compared with the air-brushed "love handles" of President Nicolas Sarkozy of France - one thing stands out in the series of images on the Kremlin website. This is a president who wears military fatigues, not jeans, in his spare time. The Russian bear is back with a vengeance. ... Yet while European analysts warn that the tense situation could deteriorate into an armed conflict in the time it would take President Putin to remove his shirt, they also point out that Russia should not be the only one blamed for the "new Cold War." Mr Putin, in announcing the resumption of round-the-clock flights by long-range bombers with a nuclear capability, pointed out that other nations - in other words, the US - had continued their missions since the end of the Cold War. "Washington failed to live up to its commitments to Russia," said Mr Plesch, director of the Centre for International Studies and Diplomacy at the School of Oriental and African Studies in London. The Bush administration pulled out of the anti-ballistic missile treaty, jeopardised the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, and the CFE treaty was never ratified by Nato. "The Americans are still flying round Russia," he said, adding that flights by American strategic bombers had remained at the same level since the Cold War.

(AN EXPANDED EXCERPT OF THIS FEATURED ARTICLE FOLLOWS THE SUMMARIES)

[havocmom]

25. Kick back to the top of the list

:kick:

[lonestarnot]

26. kick

[bdamomma]

27. If these thugs consider this and go through with this, the world

is not going to sit back and watch, and what will we do? hopefully revolt, we have some sick SOB's in abuse of control, and with Cheney and Bush they are just sick fucks. But then again you have this report too.

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/US_attack_on_Iran_impossible_Ahmadi_08282007.html

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Tuesday dismissed the chance of a US attack against Iran as impossible, saying that Washington already had enough trouble in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. Wow the President of Iran has a tad more contact

with reality than our crazy leaders

Problem is, they have no contact with reality

Any rational person would dismiss an attack on those grounds... guess what mahmoud, they ain't rational

[bdamomma]

34. yea mahmoud, we are not dealing with rational men esp. * and

Cheney.

[bdamomma]

30. Thom Hartmann talking about this right now, and he will have

Larisa on tomorrow.

kick

[IDemo]

32. "and without a ground invasion." I disagree at this point

The intent behind "Desert Storm" was never simply the destruction of Iraqi WMD; it was regime change, and for that, troops on the ground were required. Regime change is what it's all about in Iran for the bushistas as well.

I look for a draft to be placed "on the table" after recess is over, and for the bombing and invasion to occur sometime next Spring.

[Wiley50]

36. I'm willing to bet by the end of September

and, with our luck, it will be when we are in DC
and it will make Kent State seem like a Lovefest

[IDemo]

37. I don't think they can get troops recruited, trained, and stationed in that timeframe

But Israel and the US may kick off the aerial bombing festivities in the meantime.

[Wiley50]

40. Read the article

It says they are ready NOW to go within HOURS

[IDemo]

46. They do not have anywhere near the number needed for a full invasion

The analysis states that the focus will be on "bombers and long range missiles" and "avoiding a ground invasion". Iran presents a very much greater area and military capability than Saddam's Iraq did, and, despite the havoc Dick is anxious to wreak, would result in a quagmire orders of magnitude worse than what we are in now.

[Selatius]

67. They seem intent on destroying Iran's WMD program.

If that's the main goal, then a ground invasion would be unnecessary in light of that. I doubt attempting a regime change would not cause a nationalistic backlash, something the US is hoping the opposite would happen (Iranians overthrow their own government and welcome the US as liberators).

[IDemo]

93. They also seemed intent on destroying Iraq's WMD

although that was never the root cause for the war. They were already aware the WMD's did not exist but chose to use that as a trumped up excuse anyway. The media and the public swallowed it hook, line, sinker, pole and bass boat. Iraqi regime change was uppermost in the chimp's mind from the day he was inaugurated, regardless of the reasons he offered, and it is so again regarding Iran. They do not care about the nukes. They are fully aware that Iran will not have nuclear weapons for at least a decade, if ever.

It is ultimately all about expanding US control of energy resources while preventing Russia and China from doing the same.

Anyone who has not learned this lesson from the current debacle can continue reassuring themselves that a few precision-targeted missiles and bunker busters will satisfy Bush and Dick, or that roses and chocolates will litter the streets of Tehran after Operation Iranian Liberation (O.I.L.) begins.

[Selatius]

113. There aren't enough troops in the US military to occupy Iran.

We are simply left with an air campaign against their air force, ground forces, military/leadership infrastructure, communications, air defenses etc. Even if we destroyed all of that, the chance seems slim to none that Iranians would turn against their government. They're an extremely nationalistic people. It seems more likely that they would "rally 'round the flag" the same way Americans did after 9/11. Sure, they don't like their own government, but they hate our government even worse, and they'd be forced to pick sides.

[lonestarnot]

55. They are ready, waiting and willing and have been for months.

Air Operation.

[EVDebs]

54. The 'ground invasion' force IS the Surge in Iraq force...eom

[RaleighNCDUer]

82. I see a different timeline.

The call for the draft would be solidly supported by the American public, because it would be a response to ten divisions of Iranian troops slamming into Iraq and virtually destroying our ground troops there.

We kick it off with bombers and missiles, they respond with ground troops going for the nearest available targets. We lose four or five thousand troops in ten days or so and I guarantee that congress will be unanimous in supporting a draft.

[CoffeeCat]

88. I agree...there will be a major "catalyst"...

...that will trigger war with Iran. We all know it will be
manufactured. We all know it will have been planned for
some time.

Who knows what that "catalyst" will be. Your scenario
with Iranian troops in Iran is plausible. So is an Iranian-based
terrorist attack on US soil.

We all know that something is going to happen. We just don't
know when.

Isn't it interesting that the administration declared the Iranian
Military a "terrorist organization"---just last week?

[bdamomma]

33. kick

[Megahurtz]

38. Do They Care At All?

>>>"However, it is the option that contains the greatest risk of increased global tension and hatred of the United States. The US would have few, if any allies for such a mission beyond Israel (and possibly the UK)."<<<

What about "We The People" who are against attacking Iran? I'm totally against this.
What can we do to stop these maniacs? :banghead: How many more innocent people have to be killed??? :cry:

[bdamomma]

43. we the people, do not count at all to these maniacs, we are being

ignored, just like the Congress is being ignored, what will the Congress do?, if this man provokes another invasion, or will he stage another 9/11, people will not stand for it.

[Megahurtz]

44. I Sincerely Hope That

The People will not stand for it this time.
Everyone needs to stand up to them if they go through with this!
Because if they do this I cannot even imagine how horrible life will be. :scared:
I just have a really bad feeling about this.:(

[snappyturtle]

42. kick

[blues90]

49. If they are planning an air strike then why are people talking about

ground troops and training . They alreay have the carries out there and already have their bombers and bombs and if they have their plans then what's to stop them .

I am comcerned since rummy and rove and now gonzo have left or got fired that this is part of a distraction plan to keep the attention off Iran . Oh I know they also want to keep the attention off the BCF's dealings too .

I wonder at times whether all these sex scandles come out all of a sudden as if they are held back and planned , they say leaked but who really leaks these stories , the timeing is always something to consider .

Meanwhile the infrastructure has fallen away and all other issues that get replaced on all news . Even the liberal talk radio is focused on the sex bathroom talk and Gonzo and wjo will replace him . Well if this attack does take place these issues will become smoke .

[lala_rawraw]

50. Thanks:)

and kick!!! with a big high hell shoeeeee

[seemslikeadream]

51. THANK YOU

I wish the other thread could have stayed

Cynthia knows

Cindy knows

Webster Tarpley knows

This is the STUFF they know

[EVDebs]

58. Atlantic Monthly's 'Will Iran Be Next ?' -- wargamed and it's a fiasco

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200412/fallows

So I'm sure the DoD already knows the end result of this stunt. Then what ? That seems to be the queston they never ask.

[EVDebs]

59. Are Saudis waging an oil-price war on Iran?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16772560/

In this case, it may be just psy-ops if the price of petroleum continues to drop. Saudis may be behind much of this and their client, the US, may be rattling sabres to see what happens.

Price of petroleum chart
http://www.dallasfed.org/research/indepth/2007/id0701.html

seems to bear this out. How much lower can Saudis force prices ?

[leveymg]

73. Nobody's going broke, except us. World oil prices back up @$70/bbl

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/weekly_petroleum_status_report/current/pdf/table13.pdf

Saudi price is discounted by about 10 percent. I suspect this is part of the deal they reached with Dubya to arm the Sunnis and stall the regional partition of Iraq.

This is more about Iraq than Iran. Pysops.

[EVDebs]

100. Very weird. Traditionally around Labor Day, CA prices at the pump

skyrocket, and recently say a month ago were around $3.20 per gallon. Now prices are about $2.80 a gallon. If the US/Saudis can pressure the mullahs in Iran without resorting to military responses and can trigger more gasoline riots in Iran, then maybe Iran will react as the UN has been demanding in order to avoid futher sanctions.


Fuel Rationing Introduced in Oil Giant--
Despite being one of the world's largest oil producers, Iran has introduced gasoline rationing. The move caused long lines at the pumps -- and rioting.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,490984,00.html

This story is from June. Things may have gotten worse.

Taking on High Gas Prices in California and the Oil Industry: What Will Come Out of the Other End of the Legislative Grinder?
http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2007/05/taking_on_high.html

$3.49 gas in the LA area in May...and see the "retail prices" decline from May ($3.46) to August ($2.86) in CA at

http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/margins/index.html

The oil companies will do what the Saudis tell them to, and apparently the US will do likewise.

[Selatius]

114. The DoD doesn't make it its job to ask "then what." They simply say, "That's someone else's problem"

And that's the problem. There are neocon ideologues in the Bush White House who stand in as "someone else." Say we do exercise military options with Iran. What about our troops in Iraq? Our allies in Europe? Would they be even less helpful in the future if we need help because of what we did to Iran? What kind of oil shock would strike the world economy and the US economy? What if there's another Arab oil embargo? What would Russia and China do in the aftermath? Are they going to move away from us even further?

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

63. - -

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=20060222&articleId=2032

[The Doctor.]

64. Who makes those bombs again?

I want to know where to invest.

[Jack Rabbit]

71. Impeach. Indict. Imprison,

RIGHT NOW!!

[The Wizard]

74. People in the oil business

know that if Democrats sweep in 08 there will be a massive effort to find and employ alternative energy. An attack on Iran will raise oil prices much like the Iraq invasion has done. It's about cutting the supply from sources other than Saudi Arabia. Who is in business with Saudi Arabia? Who would benefit from the crime? Who in the oil business would have the ability to launch a military strike against an oil producing competitor? OK, I've said who enough times to where some might think I sit in a tree and shit through feathers.

[Kip Humphrey]

75. If Bush nuked Iran, would you protest in the streets?

IF so, will you protest in the streets to push Congress to prevent him from doing it??? :nuke:

[scarface2004]

77. i hope iran kicks our ass!!

and defeats us, occupies us, represses us, destroys our country, and installs a puppet government...then civil war breaks out!!!

[HamdenRice]

78. KRNT!

[ronald2914]

79. the sky is falling, the sky is falling, we're attacking Iran

Lot's of hysteria over nothing, so the US has "plans" to attack Iran big deal let's all cause mass hysteria and rush Washington DC with torches and pitchforks. Here's a clue people, the Pentagon and therefore US has "plans" to attack just about every nation on the face of the planet and even a few planets if need be. Whether or not those plans are put into action is the key. We have plans to attack:

Samoa
Guam
China
N. Korea
Ethiopia
Saudi Arabia
Iran
Russia
Bosnia
Italy
England
France
Greenland
Canada
Mexico

and the list goes on, the same people yelling "we have plans to attack Iran" are the exact same people who would be screaming at the top of their lungs "why weren't we prepared for this" if Iran was to launch an attack against us.

So please let's quit with the knee jerk "the sky is falling" reactions just cause the Pentagon has "plans" to attack Iran. I'm sure the State Department has plans as well as the UN as to how to reach a diplomatic solution to the Iranian crisis. Of course DIPLOMATIC doesn't carry the same mass hysteria producing headline as "America plans to attack Iran" now does it.

[bdamomma]

80. welcome to DU ronald2914!!

The State Department??? does that still exist since we have not seen Condi? the invisible Secretary of State.

[Vilis Veritas]

84. She has been awful quiet lately...

Rumors of Cheney stepping down...
Condi gone all Invisible Woman on us...
Rove bailing...
Gonzo quitting the circus to run away with his family...
International Banks calling for oversight of American Markets...
Security and Prosperity Partnership Of North America...
Agent Provocatuers at the SPP summit trying to instigate a riot...
Sabre rattling directed towards Iran...
Slumped chimpy shoulders like he is bearing some impossible burden...
Chimpy invoking the nuclear option again (the burden?)...
Huge hedge fund options/calls/puts on market set to expire on 9/21...
Conyers saying that there is more important stuff to work on than impeachment...

No need for tin hat nowadays...more like teflon underwear...

Peace.

[RaleighNCDUer]

85. There is a difference between contingency plans, and plans for

immediate action.

How many countries on that list have been the butt end of years of nasty propaganda? Which is (unjustly) accused of violating the Non-Proliferation Treaty in its pursuit of nuclear power? Which is supposedly arming Shia insurgents in Iraq? Which has had US special ops running operations within its borders for months under the guise of 'Kurdish separatists'? Which has a president who is described in the US media as a madman?

This isn't about plans on the shelf. It isn't even about plans on the table. This is about plans already in effect.

And welcome to DU - I suspect it may be an education for you.

[Vilis Veritas]

81. Not sure why this article asserts that it will happen without warning...

The United States has the capacity for and may be prepared to launch without warning a massive assault on Iranian uranium enrichment facilities, as well as government buildings and infrastructure, using long-range bombers and missiles, according to a new analysis

Looks like this article and other reports have pretty much...uh...warned them. :shrug:

[RaleighNCDUer]

86. I think they've already been warned.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/29/iran.us/index.html

I think that's sending them a message.

[Vilis Veritas]

91. Yep. that is one of the reports I was referencing...n/t

[BlueJac]

83. Adoph Bush is insane and drunk with power!!!

This nut case must be stopped!!

CHENEY TOO!!!

[bdamomma]

89. this little man needs to be stopped, and that is all he is

a little man.

[bdamomma]

90. this article should be faxed or e-mailed to our senators and reps.

telling them are they going to stop this madness now, * is into this sick shit, we got to get them first before they get us, he is a very dangerous man. this pre emptive shit must end now!!!!

[BrainGlutton]

92. Let's be reasonable. The Pentagon ALWAYS has plans ready to fight any potential enemy.

I understand they even have a plan on file to invade Canada. And it's periodically updated.

[northernsoul]

99. is there similar belicose rhetoric aimed at these other countries

Bush made some pretty overt threats to Iran yesterday.

[ginnyinWI]

96. I personally know a soldier who is going over there to

install computers into planes so that they need only one pilot.

[bdamomma]

97. just a reminder Larisa the writer of this article

will be on Thom Hartmann today.

[LiberalEsto]

98. Occupy town halls

all over the US?

It would certainly send a message if angry Americans filled municipal buildings from Maine to Hawaii.

[bdamomma]

101. kick

[bdamomma]

102. Larisa was just on Thom Hartmann

she said she asked a high official about trying to stop this, the plan has been in operation for a long time. I don't know what else to say, but, we must stop this man from doing the unthinkable.

[bdamomma]

103. now is not the time to keep quiet DU'ers start calling your Reps

and Senators and ask them to address this insane act. People do not want to bend their minds around this sick idea, but now is the time TO SCREAM.

[alfredo]

104. Massive bombing of Iraq didn't break resistance. Of course if bush

used nukes it might have been different. I bet he is going to nuke them. He did say he was going to make bunker busters and tactical nukes a priority.

If the Bombing of Iran is not successful, our forces in Iraq will be cut off from the Persian Gulf supply line.

[warren pease]

106. multiple posts-self deleted. Sorry

[warren pease]

107. self-delete

[warren pease]

108. self-delete

[warren pease]

109. It's useful to remember how the Nazis were finally stopped...

And it wasn't the German people rising up in outrage at what had been done in their names.

It took the combined forces of most of Europe, along with the US, to bring Hitler down.

I wonder if that's our fate as well. I honestly don't think Americans these days have the stomach for a fight that may actually result in their deaths. Not that I'm nuts about the idea either, but there are a few things worth putting your life on the line for.

Nor do they have any sense of the history of right wing political oppression and how other countries -- Latin America being a great example -- fought back and finally evicted their own fascist dictators.

But the rest of the planet can't afford to continue to allow this kind of insane rogue state to operate with impunity. If nothing else, it has "...meddled with the primal forces of nature," as Ned Beatty put it in Network. "It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic, and subatomic and galactic structure of things today. And you have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and you will atone!"

Given continued meddling by BushCo, they *will* push back and the US will atone. It's just a matter of time.

If that's how it all ends I, for one, will welcome our liberators with flowers and candy.


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